Thanks. I won't rehash the one I deleted but I'll write and see what comes, for you- since you cared enough to speak up like that.. 😊. I tried to write a short version, but this has been a year of build up so it's probably not possible.I’m always interested in what you’ve got, so this made me intrigued is all. It doesn’t matter how irrelevant.
I used to censor myself so much on this forum and I’d be over on the INFJ forum trying to condense my long posts for them but then they would ask all the questions that I had just cut and had to write it over again. After mentioning a few times “Dang it, I just chopped off a page explaining that...I will try to write it again” a few of the ones I am closer to were appalled. “Don’t delete anything.” They said. No need to try to condense. I realized that for the full Ne concept to actually hit and for them to then condense it themselves, there is a reason it takes us the length that it does.
Okay that’s random but...
“Don’t delete anything”. We want it no matter how irrelevant, with that awesome Ne Tridentus mind of yours... .
my first thought is that we ENFPs will never completely settle into 1 subject ever. No one subject will ever be completely enough... we couldn’t learn that way. Since Ne is trans-contextual, the more random things we understand and know then the more we can have ideas for whatever it is we are working on. I really don’t have any doubt about your being an ENFP. Look at ENFP Brian Cox, we can find great fulfillment in science and math and actually make it exciting for other people... but not that subject alone. We always need our rock band on the side. We always need some emotional outlets and we do need some Si things too that we usually built up habits of when we were young to hold everything together and keep our bodies healthy.Thanks. I won't rehash the one I deleted but I'll write and see what comes, for you- since you cared enough to speak up like that.. 😊. I tried to write a short version, but this has been a year of build up so it's probably not possible.
The post was originally titled "am I an ENFP". Past year I've increasingly realised certain truths about myself that I've.. I don't know what the word would be but I guess "blindsided myself" toward for whatever reason. I'll re-edit it if I can. The irrelevance was that I'm still fairly sure I am, although I would still be open to doubt if people have anything convincing to say. It's a very weird time for me to be honest.
I went in this direction of being a teacher and having this life in Korea, but it just didn't work for me, I couldn't imagine committing my life to this, and it developed a lot of self-reflection and more doubt about myself than I can remember since I was a teenager. Honestly, teaching, while it was challenging in a lot of ways, it wasn't challenging in any ways that were fulfilling to me apart from some of the positive interactions I'd have with the kids, most of it were boring and too "simple", the same things over and over, and the parts that were challenging were largely negative.
Firstly I knew I'd been in this trajectory where the "logical" part of me was becoming more and more interesting and fulfilling for years now. Then I found Jordan Peterson and found his stuff fascinating, I was diving myself deeply into a video game called DOTA for its deep level of logical analysis where I felt like I belonged, and then I found coding...
Coding.. It was the straw-camel-back-etc. that shook me. I've made posts on here about how I was good at maths but hated it at school on here before. It was something that I had this perspective about- I derived my joy from subjects like history and english where I was free to creatively analyse, and I held onto that notion for a decade. So of course, the idea of coding with all its mathematical principles, definitions, rules, etc. seemed like the worst idea in the world- but then through general exploring I tried it. I did some tutorial lessons just to see what it was like, and immediately I was filled with excitement. It was so fun- honestly it still makes me emotional. It's such a creative, logical, problem solving entity- not at all like how I thought it would be, and not at all like how teaching or any previous learning I'd ever done had made me feel. It's a year later and I'm on this path now fully, and 5 hours can pass by on a single problem- 15 tabs open on my browser as I bury deeper and deeper, it feels like it's been 30mins.
It got to a point where, I mean I'd just turned 28 in September, I'm 29 soon. It was difficult to look at what was staring me in the face after half my life believing the opposite, especially when I'd told my whole family I was doing this teaching thing. But in October I bit the bullet. I'm now back in England, part time working and self-studying in the trajectory I'm in now (specifically web development).
But the thing is, as soon as I got over that wall and embraced that side of me, it just escalated. It feels like it's changed my personality, I'm calmer now, but also quieter. I have two things I love that are all mine- coding and weight training. That's enough that I don't need the big social life I was always restless for, it's unnecessary now. It's very very strange, comfortable, and because of the speed at which it's happened somewhat unsettling.
But also, because of this change I sometimes feel like I don't relate to this forum as much as I used to. I remember when I first found this place, it was like I'd found my people, but these days the threads and posts, a lot of them I don't relate to that much. I was wondering if I'm an INTP, but if I am I'd be an odd one, but then at the same time it's opened a lot of.. internal doors? I guess? that made me realise who I really am when I just accept things and stop holding onto pre-conceptions about myself in many areas of myself.
So yeah that's the place I was coming from. It's so weird, people always talked about "doing the job that doesn't feel like work"- I was always so desperate to find it, I didn't realise I would ever find it, and it's changed everything. I took what it meant to be an ENFP so to heart that maybe that also didn't help, though like I said I'm also open to doubt. I did always feel I leaned more on that side than most here. But then also in a way I guess it doesn't matter.
So yeah missus, make heads or tails of that if you will haha...
Thanks 😊 . Yeah you're right, the trajectory we're on can influence personality and that is probably the state that I'm in.my first thought is that we ENFPs will never completely settle into 1 subject ever. No one subject will ever be completely enough... we couldn’t learn that way. Since Ne is trans-contextual, the more random things we understand and know then the more we can have ideas for whatever it is we are working on. I really don’t have any doubt about your being an ENFP. Look at ENFP Brian Cox, we can find great fulfillment in science and math and actually make it exciting for other people... but not that subject alone. We always need our rock band on the side. We always need some emotional outlets and we do need some Si things too that we usually built up habits of when we were young to hold everything together and keep our bodies healthy.
I do love my job. It’s people focused and requires a great deal of flexibility... but I can compare the way I approach it to the way my INTJ dietitian friend approaches it. In her time off she is still reading books written by dietitians about gastroparesis intestinal issues and whatever. In my time off currently I am learning to play my harp, continuing with voice lessons and working on my historical functions which right now means reading Old Norse, learning Inuit mythology and shamanism, learning about the spread and cultural times of the Black Plague and also the ideology of the witch trials. I also tend a garden and am always working to be the best mom I can be. Our polymathy just means we get better at whatever we are trying to do by knowing every random unrelated thing that we know. The more random things I know the better questions I have for what I’m currently doing.
A while back I watched a couple of long shows and radio shows about all of the things we had learned from Einstein’s physical brain. The conclusions were, he might never have come up with E=MC2 if he had not played the violin (he had an extra fold in his brain in between music and maths that would not have been there without the background in music) and he might not have built the mind that he did if he had not spent those years reviewing pattens. I personally count Einstein as an ENTP, although recently I’ve heard some voices out there saying ENFP. I’d have to look at it... but what I’m saying is. The great thing for us is continually learning, and if certain things aren’t challenging for us, then we have to work on other areas and subjects. Our brain will switch to wanting to do more and different. We want to be continually learning and that brings us back to coding for you. I’d say just to expect to always realize that for us all of our background will stack with whatever we are trying to accomplish right now. But I doubt we would ever settle completely into one thing.
Also our Ne and Te working together can be super enjoyable. Also I really don’t think that Fi isn’t logical... it’s logical in moral and feeling ways. It makes sense and learning math is a mind skill that Ne is fantastic in. I really don’t think there are any subjects that our minds aren’t cut out for if we are interested to learn it... and I think that’s true of the human brain in general, but kind of especially for ENFPs.
I think you’d enjoy Dario Nardi’s work in MBTI and neuroscience. for a few years there he was looking at mid-life growth in the MBTI types. He said once our brain gets certain things down it wants to explore its other functions... and then about a year Or so after that he changed his message again. He said “I thought a fewyears ago that I had learned all I could from Ni (he’s an INTJ) but then I realized further depths that I could access through utilizing the whole Ni-Se axis”
This is now what I’m starting to explore more of and recognize is the Si part of me, what it means for me... and it’s where I think my connections might be with home and with the build of experience. It’s very interesting to acknowledge the importance of the role Si plays in my character make-up and in what is both beautiful and conflicting inside me.
Yes...the description of ENFP starts to just be a loose skeleton instead of the core as we keep learning and exploring. And learning and developing these functions doesn’t make us less of an ENFP... it’s more to the point of understanding how MBTI descriptions should be understood with age and growth. Basically do the descriptions paint a good picture of any type at age 50 or 60 or beyond? I think we have to be the study. Whatever we are has to be the thing that defines the description, rather than the other way around.
This was a bit repetitive, but I’m not deleting. . What are more of your thoughts?
I agree it is quite an error that nowadays students get hands on to software development / programming too late. Luckily I have had a chance to be into that already since the end of my basic school ages and been in that industry till now (and counting).I actually think it's a huge error that programming/computer science is not a compulsary subject at school already considering we're seeing an exponential acceleration in that direction. The world and people's lives will be a very different place in 30 years, and that will mainly be driven by tech, as has been the case for the previous 30. This field is also probably the most future proofed outside of academia.
I can tell from my experiences that Ne is a very useful mindset in that industry as remarkable amount of the technical development requires top-down approach - first you figure out a "skeleton" of your solution and then fill it with details later. Combined with Ti, it works it's best on figuring out deeply technical solutions while combined with Te, it's powerful combination for keeping up team spirit, leading projects/teams and so on.
You'll learn to heavily use both Ti and Te over years in such environment But there are also other types of tasks which are Si-heavy (ie configuration management / deployment processes) and those are which I try to delegate to somebody else as much as possible - if you're ENFP I guess you won't like those type of tasks too much either
I’m from the Silicon Valley- computer programming and coding are introduced as electives since middle school and children as young as 5 are able to sign up for coding classes or enrolled in computer camp. My 8 years old son and 5 years daughter are currently enrolled in python coding classes for kids ( they asked if they could learn ) .@Llyralen
Thanks. That pretty much sums it up.
I mean my biggest hang up really is because of my "age", like I said if I'd tried teaching at 24 and then decided to change it would be no biggie- but it's actually a common occurance by all accounts to career shift into programming, and actually the field data shows that programming is one of the fastest growing industries for obvious reasons, and job supply will continue to outgrow demand for the next 30 years here in the UK. I actually think it's a huge error that programming/computer science is not a compulsary subject at school already considering we're seeing an exponential acceleration in that direction. The world and people's lives will be a very different place in 30 years, and that will mainly be driven by tech, as has been the case for the previous 30. This field is also probably the most future proofed outside of academia.
It also occurs to me sometimes that I am very very lucky that I'm in this position in a lot of ways, to be able to make mistakes to learn from and still have the opportunity to make the correction, and that I shouldn't ever forget that. Far from everyone has the same opportunities.