Am I an INFJ or an INTP?

I've had the same conflict before. I think the INTP vibes come from tertiary Ti and/or Ni-Ti loops. I don't know enough about you to help much, but that's just something to think about.
The main difference is whether you use Ni or Ne. Keep in mind that INFJs have a Ni-dom, while INTPs are Ti-dom and Ne-aux. Here's a couple very brief descriptions I found from this thread:

Ni: Introverted Intuition is mainly interested in the abstract principles that underlie a given event, not in the event itself. For this reason, this function often provides insight and understanding.
Ni-dom (INFJ): They are stimulated by problems and enjoy an intellectual challenge and coming to new understandings. They possess an abstract and analytical mind that helps them to discover the underlying principles behind a particular situation. Intensely individualistic, they can walk the road less travelled.
Ne: The Extraverted Intuitive will conceptualize process and pattern within the overall picture, and is immediately aware of all the possibilities suggested by a particular situation. The focus is always on future possibilities, rather than the present moment.
Ti-dom (INTP): Enjoy coming to new understandings, problem-solving and logic. Independent, skeptical and critical. Appear self-absorbed while they use step-by-step logic to discover the principles and connections that underlie the overall picture.]
There's plenty of other threads discussing the functions if you want to look into them more =)

I think it could well be you're type!
I find that many times Ti can be mistakened as a dominant function as it come across more "loudly" when in environments where you debate a little more regarding personal beliefs or any sort of debate!

I'd say the main differentiation would come from study of the functions,
As INTP has Ne not Ni,
And since Ni is the dominant function of an INFJ,
it'd be easy to tell if you have a dominance regarding it or not!

I struggled to find out if I was either ENFJ, INTP, ENFP or INFJ till I studied the functions,
General descriptions aren't detailed enough!

Good luck

I had that dilemma, too, and what helped me was digging into my core self and finding that ONE, single most important, higher purpose of my life. From there on, I started to read about the functions again and saw that I used Ni without doubt, and loads of Ti, while the Fe was heavily suppressed. My life wish or purpose, however, clearly implies helping HUMAN BEINGS, being with HUMAN BEINGS and spreading the wisdom I get through Ni so that humanity can be a happier place to live in

My INTP friend is concerned about humanity as well, but more in a "why are they so freakin retarded?" kind of way, he wants them to be more rational, honest etc. He doesn't want to dedicate his life to "serve" humanity, though.

Hope that helped a little!

When I first took the MBTI; I would get INFP half the time and INTP, the other half, but I never really felt that the INFP description fit me. Recently, I had been getting INTP more often but with just a slight edge of T over F. I even got ENTP a few times and even INTJ! - which based on the description; I knew couldn't possibly fit me. By studying the functions; I realized that I had high Ti and moderate Fe. I am not at all cold like the INFP description and having strong Fe would also account for me having a low to moderate I over E, as well.

I do care about humanity and want to help make a better world; although, I don't really think about it all that often. I know that I can be very caring and have a very high EQ, but I am extremely awkward in social situations. I usually put my own needs first, 'though. I do believe in fairness as an important concept. I am an E type 5w4 which probably accounts for a lot of my confusion.

When I read the PJ description; it seem to reconcile not only the whole T/F split but my confusion over J/P preferences as well. I did score both high Ni and Ne on the JCF test as well and I do use both but Ni comes much more naturally to me and Ne takes a bit more effort.

I also relate more to Se than Si; although on the test; Si was moderate and Se was almost non-existent but that's probably why it may be my inferior. I used to suffer from Agoraphobia and I am terrified of subways during rush hour and noisy unpredictable crowds - especially in enclosed spaces, make me extremely uncomfortable.

I am also have a very difficult time with dealing with my emotions - especially negative ones; hurt, sadness and any type of severe emotional pain absolutely terrifies me. This is probably where the confusion over my inferior function comes in: When I get really upset about something; I can sometimes experience this scary state where I feel disconnected from my body, may briefly dissociate and feel depersonalized. I also can overdo and underdo just about anything from overeating/undereating oversleep/undersleep. I have a great deal of trouble getting myself organized to do anything but once I get started; I usually complete whatever it is. I am also a perfectionist. I have gotten myself into trouble by doing too many things at once. I once enrolled in two university courses and two dance classes. When I realized that it was too much; I knew that I needed to drop one of them but I couldn't decide which one. Ultimately, the decision was decided for me: During one of the dance classes - due to lack of sleep and overexhaustion, I sprained my ankle; had to drop both of the dance classes and wound up attending the academic courses in crutches.

I have an extreme fear of both being engulfed and abandoned by people but the fear off engulfment definitely is the stronger one. It isn't just people but the outside world in general. I am an extreme empath and can usually tell what other people are feeling at any given moment; so an strong expression of emotion - especially negative ones, anger in particular - seems much more intense to me; than what the other person is actually expressing.

I am extremely disorganized and frequently late for everything but that may also be due to in part to my being a perfectionist and suffering from occasional bouts of intense anxiety. The description of INXJs being a "disembodied mind" fits me to a T and I have been that way, probably since birth. I also have moderate ADD and mild Dyslexia (mixing up letters and numbers).

I love art and experience this great sense of oneness with the universe whenever I am around it. That's likely why I relate to Se more than Si. I am also in a fair bit of debt from overspending on things I didn't really need. My apartment resembles a miniature museum and I have different style of art, all over the place. I love patterns, metaphors and symbolism and I love to make interconnections between things and unify them into a single whole.

I've watched a few different Cognitive types videos and I related most to the communication styles of the XNTPs but then I again, I really don't know what I am like because I don't know how I look to others. I also resemble the INFJs style of speech as well. This was one of the major clues that I could neither be in INFP - not concise enough, or an INTJ - not enough vocal inflection. I am absolutely obsessed with humour. I love to wisecrack and see the absurd in almost everything.

TreasureTower said:

The reason I am posting this here, and not in either the Cognitive Functions or the Myers-Briggs forums; is that when I tried to explain my experience of Ni; non N doms types had no idea what I was talking about; so I would rather just get INFJ's opinions only.

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Could you add a description of how you experience Ni (or link to where you have described it in a way that you feel is accurate for you?)

Your tri-type (within the enneagram) may be influencing the way you are perceiving yourself. You sound like a typical INFJ to me but don't take my word for it.

Aquarian said:

Could you add a description of how you experience Ni (or link to where you have described it in a way that you feel is accurate for you?)

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To answer your question, I see Ni as calmly observing and taking in information around me (Se?) and seeing the interrelated patterns in everything, and taking those patterns and attempting to unify them into an interconnected whole.

I used to think that my initial impulse was to logically analyze everything but I only do that when I find a logical discrepancy in something.

In case it might be helpful; I have included a couple of posts from another thread:

TreasureTower said:

http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/158882-solution-inxproblem.html

After spending a lot of tine on Personality Junkie; I am convinced that I must be an INFJ.

I realised that despite my usage of Ne to some extant; I am in fact Ni dominant. I was confused by this because a lot of things interest me, but I like to explore one topic at a time, in depth. This likely explains why I did much better in my studies when I was able to focus on one or not more than two subjects at a time, and felt burnt out when I had to study many courses at once.

I also realised that I've confused Ti with Ni to some extant. They are both analytical and Ni believes that paradoxical ideas can sometimes go together; where as Ti seeks to differentiate between them, rather than pursue synthesis. It also explains my frustration with an INFP friend of mine who jumps from topic to topic; when I want to explore a single topic in more depth before I investigate another one. INFJs also prefer non-fiction to fiction, and they are good at expressing positive emotions; unlike INFPs who can seem cold. However, this more than anything convinced me:

INFJs also have a deep concern for quality. As will be elaborated later in this profile, they long to see their ideals (Ni) perfectly manifested in physical reality (Se). This need for quality underlies many common INFJ characteristics. Their attraction to art, for instance, can be understood as their attempt to perfectly embody an ideal in physical reality. Their love for fine food, clothes, and architecture can be understood similarly. Unlike INFPs, who tend to see food, clothes, and housing as little more than physical necessities, INFJs see the physical world as a forum for manifesting beauty and perfection, a place to marry their Ni and Se.

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INFJ-INTP Relationships & Compatibility: Part III: Challenges - Personality Junkie

More specifically, INFJs’ inner child can get very excited about the arts and culture. Their Ni, Fe, and Se functions love relishing and experiencing fine meals, music, productions, and art. There is something very magical for INFJs about seeing the marriage of S and N through these media, which can confer a deep sense of fullness, wholeness, and joy. What makes these experiences even better for INFJs is having someone to share and celebrate them with. And since their Feeling function is extraverted, they look for their partner to join them in their excitement, making such experiences all the richer.

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Since INTPs are neither N dominants nor Feelers, their interest in arts and culture cannot match the INFJs’, especially if not raised in an artsy family. Rather, INTPs’ interests tend to be more conceptual and utility-focused. And while Fe is a part of INTPs’ functional stack, its inferior position makes INTPs far less outwardly celebrative and expressive. Moreover, INTPs often get excited about different things than INFJs. While INFJs may find pure joy in a fine meal or performance, INTPs are most excited by new ideas, possibilities, or challenges. (This Personality Junkie Post is continued on the next page.)
Others report feelings of disembodiment. The fact is that many INFJs (and INTJs) seem to experience the world and their bodies differently than other types do. It is therefore not uncommon for INFJs or others to occasionally question their sanity.

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Others report feelings of disembodiment. The fact is that many INFJs (and INTJs) seem to experience the world and their bodies differently than other types do. It is therefore not uncommon for INFJs or others to occasionally question their sanity.

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While INFJS are deeply theoretical, they don’t build their theories by consciously assembling facts in the way that Thinking or Sensing types might. Rather, INFJs see general connections and patterns by way of their Intuition; they experience everything as interconnected. For INFJs, discovering truth involves getting a better handle on the nature of this connectedness by discerning universal laws and patterns.

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I always thought their was something wrong with me in my difficulty engaging with the external environment. After reading everything; I've come to the conclusion that being an INFJ explains a hell of a lot. Although, I still do relate to INTP; it's extremely clear that I am one of them and now, I strongly lean towards INFJ.

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@TreasureTower, I just can't shake the sense that it's Ti and not Ni as your dominant. I mean, you know yourself way better than I do, so of course you're the best one to type yourself in the end.

Words get in the way, unfortunately. I wish I could really pin down in function-specific words why I get this sense. But I can't, the words seem slippery somehow. So I have to say it this way if I'm going to say it at all: INFJs have this feel to me, it's kind of a minor chord dark-ish resonance (Ni-Fe). Your feel is different. Yours is lighter, cleaner, clearer. It's not INFP, their feel/lightness is more more summer-sun-like (Fi-Ne). Yours, while similar in that it is about light, is more like a cool clarity of light (Ti-Ne?).

I don't know if this information will be useful for you. It's pretty vague and I wish I could actually link it directly to descriptions of Ni and Ti. But like I said, for me the words get in the way at that layer.

Anyway, as I said, you know yourself way better than I do, so take it with a grain of salt.

Aquarian said:

@TreasureTower, I just can't shake the sense that it's Ti and not Ni as your dominant. I mean, you know yourself way better than I do, so of course you're the best one to type yourself in the end.

Words get in the way, unfortunately. I wish I could really pin down in function-specific words why I get this sense. But I can't, the words seem slippery somehow. So I have to say it this way if I'm going to say it at all: INFJs have this feel to me, it's kind of a minor chord dark-ish resonance (Ni-Fe). Your feel is different. Yours is lighter, cleaner, clearer. It's not INFP, their feel/lightness is more more summer-sun-like (Fi-Ne). Yours, while similar in that it is about light, is more like a cool clarity of light (Ti-Ne?).

I don't know if this information will be useful for you. It's pretty vague and I wish I could actually link it directly to descriptions of Ni and Ti. But like I said, for me the words get in the way at that layer.

Anyway, as I said, you know yourself way better than I do, so take it with a grain of salt.

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That's plain amazing!!! I heard of people sensing other's types through video footage, but not yet written text. I can definitely see what you mean with "dark-ishness", that's Ni. I only recently learned more about the Jungian concept of personal and collective shadow, and I understood at once why I have always been able to sense and sometimes clearly see all that vast, endless darkness in myself. Ni allows you to do that by way of detachment, even from yourself. It's awesome.

@TreasureTower
Are darkness and mystery an integral part of your being??

miyachanfan said:

That's plain amazing!!! I heard of people sensing other's types through video footage, but not yet written text. I can definitely see what you mean with "dark-ishness", that's Ni. I only recently learned more about the Jungian concept of personal and collective shadow, and I understood at once why I have always been able to sense and sometimes clearly see all that vast, endless darkness in myself. Ni allows you to do that by way of detachment, even from yourself. It's awesome.

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But why is Ni dark/minor chords like that? What is the relevance of personal and/or collective shadow to it?

I feel like I have the actual perception quite clearly, but not the cognitive/analytical understanding.

PS Also: Is it just Ni? Seems like INTJs ... well, I actually don't know, does Te compensate or ... I haven't attended to whether I do or don't get this feel from INTJs.

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But why is Ni dark/minor chords like that? What is the relevance of personal and/or collective shadow to it?

I feel like I have the actual perception quite clearly, but not the cognitive/analytical understanding.

PS Also: Is it just Ni? Seems like INTJs ... well, I actually don't know, does Te compensate or ... I haven't attended to whether I do or don't get this feel from INTJs.

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maybe because Ni as a perception power directed inwardly sees deeper into the unconscious? and the nearer you come to the unknown, the more your Ti wants to understand and classify your perceptions. you walk deeper and deeper, and it is no wonder that sooner or later you are confronted with the bare, crude darkness that is part of each of us. if you dare go deeper, you will learn more about it and accept it as a legitimate part of yourself. NOT DENYING that darkness that everyone carries deep inside but actually seeing beauty in it makes us appear "dark and mysterious" I guess.

miyachanfan said:

maybe because Ni as a perception power directed inwardly sees deeper into the unconscious? and the nearer you come to the unknown, the more your Ti wants to understand and classify your perceptions. you walk deeper and deeper, and it is no wonder that sooner or later you are confronted with the bare, crude darkness that is part of each of us. if you dare go deeper, you will learn more about it and accept it as a legitimate part of yourself. NOT DENYING that darkness that everyone carries deep inside but actually seeing beauty in it makes us appear "dark and mysterious" I guess.

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Not sure that actually explains how it is for me (or maybe it's more that Ni includes perceptual access to a collective unconscious so it isn't about my individual unconscious). But anyway, for sure I perceive beauty in that minor chord/darkness resonance - not like some sort of emotional beauty but perceptual beauty, like hearing music.

*musing*

And it isn't like some sort of goth-dark individual emotional thing for me at all. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to describe the experience of having material resonate in or through me that other people seem to feel would floor them in terms of pain or intensity and I can't find a way to do it that adequately expresses how much it's NOT a personal experience for me at some really basic level. Which seems to link to this part of what you wrote in the previous comment:

miyachanfan said:

Ni allows you to do that by way of detachment, even from yourself.

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Though I have to say sometimes I'm not clear what's related to Ni and what's related to other aspects of how I'm made.

Aquarian said:

But anyway, for sure I perceive beauty in that minor chord/darkness resonance - not like some sort of emotional beauty but perceptual beauty, like hearing music.

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And it isn't like some sort of goth-dark individual emotional thing for me at all. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to describe the experience of having material resonate in or through me that other people seem to feel would floor them in terms of pain or intensity ...

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I know exactly what you mean, it isn't about emotions but about the blissful experience of beauty in all its forms. I've learned so far from experience with people in my life that seeing beauty where others see "negativity", "sadness", "darkness" etc is sth one has to constantly defend and explain if your loved ones fail to accept it. For example, I love the night more than the day, I love the absence of people on the streets, the silence in their homes etc, whereas my parents say I am deranged and "possessed" because of it. I, in turn, cannot understand how they can fail to notice the serene, spiritual and mysterious side of it.

Another example, I love love love cello and ambient music that speaks the Ni language, but what reactions do I get? "You always listen to that horribly DEPRESSING music" etc. No, it is not sad or depressing, it simply IS.

Wearing dark clothes has been an ever ongoing topic of criticism as well. I just LOVE black, and I am neither sad not depressive nor mourning, nor am I any of the terms they throw around (like emo, goth, metaler etc) it just feels good to wear it! I feel protected and comfortable in it. But so far no one has been understanding. To the people I know black = death.

Have you had similar experiences?

miyachanfan said:

Have you had similar experiences?

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It seems like you're experiencing a lot of incorrect and critical external interpretation of what you like and prefer. I haven't had to deal with that kind of criticism even where I share your preferences. I myself personally don't know how closely Ni ties directly to preferences like that, but I can certainly see it contributing to not perceiving these things as negative.

miyachanfan said:

@TreasureTower
Are darkness and mystery an integral part of your being??

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Well, I'm not sure about darkness; I have experienced it, yes, especially when I am feeling really vulnerable but it isn't a typical part of my personality. Mystery, OTOH, totally! Everything to me, including myself is full of mystery and wonder; that's why I enjoy symbols, metaphors and abstract concepts so much. Perhaps, it's just a different view of what darkness is to me. Real darkness to me; is when everything feels foggy to me and I remain stuck, until I discover this "sense" in me of undeniable clarity. Words and logic can only go so far in explaining things. The greatest truth can only be experienced from deep from within oneself, like a revelation that completely explains everything. @Aquarian has expressed it herself: how she suddenly get that "a-ha" moment when everything just becomes crystal clear to her. That's the only way, I ever can feel certain of anything.

Aquarian said:

miyachanfan said:

maybe because Ni as a perception power directed inwardly sees deeper into the unconscious? and the nearer you come to the unknown, the more your Ti wants to understand and classify your perceptions. you walk deeper and deeper, and it is no wonder that sooner or later you are confronted with the bare, crude darkness that is part of each of us. if you dare go deeper, you will learn more about it and accept it as a legitimate part of yourself. NOT DENYING that darkness that everyone carries deep inside but actually seeing beauty in it makes us appear "dark and mysterious" I guess.

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Not sure that actually explains how it is for me (or maybe it's more that Ni includes perceptual access to a collective unconscious so it isn't about my individual unconscious). But anyway, for sure I perceive beauty in that minor chord/darkness resonance - not like some sort of emotional beauty but perceptual beauty, like hearing music.

*musing*

And it isn't like some sort of goth-dark individual emotional thing for me at all. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to describe the experience of having material resonate in or through me that other people seem to feel would floor them in terms of pain or intensity and I can't find a way to do it that adequately expresses how much it's NOT a personal experience for me at some really basic level. Which seems to link to this part of what you wrote in the previous comment:

miyachanfan said:

Ni allows you to do that by way of detachment, even from yourself.

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Though I have to say sometimes I'm not clear what's related to Ni and what's related to other aspects of how I'm made.

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I completely relate to everything that you said in this post.

TreasureTower said:

@Aquarian has expressed it herself: how she suddenly get that "a-ha" moment when everything just becomes crystal clear to her. That's the only way, I ever can feel certain of anything.

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Well, that description could be one of two things:

1. Ti: When my Ti analysis finally reveals the whole picture and how its parts relate. Yes, it can feel like "everything becomes crystal clear" in that situation.

2. Ni: A resonant gut-level sense-perception of "yes this is true" that is often linked to a particular piece of information, whether a phrase or an image or other keystone.

(could you remind me where you got that from if you have the link handy? That will say more about the context)

I can also perceive from inside what I call the Ni landscape, but it's not so much a feeling of crystal clarity or "a-ha" as it is a gut level sense of ... alignment is one word for it ... in being in my most organic landscape and moving according to how it's set up (contrasted with not moving in that Ni landscape - that tends to feel/vibrate gut-level distorted).

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TreasureTower said:

The greatest truth can only be experienced from deep from within oneself, like a revelation that completely explains everything.

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Ni-level truths very seldom explain everything for me. They are pieces of layered and often metaphorical information that I sometimes don't cognitively understand at the time I receive them. the Ni landscape is a place of organic truth to me in another way, but it doesn't explain anything - it just is.

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Well, that description could be one of two things:

1. Ti: When my Ti analysis finally reveals the whole picture and how its parts relate. Yes, it can feel like "everything becomes crystal clear" in that situation.

2. Ni: A resonant gut-level sense-perception of "yes this is true" that is often linked to a particular piece of information, whether a phrase or an image or other keystone.

(could you remind me where you got that from if you have the link handy? That will say more about the context)

I can also perceive from inside what I call the Ni landscape, but it's not so much a feeling of crystal clarity or "a-ha" as it is a gut level sense of ... alignment is one word for it ... in being in my most organic landscape and moving according to how it's set up (contrasted with not moving in that Ni landscape - that tends to feel/vibrate gut-level distorted).

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I relate to both of those actually: Ti, when I am able to make logical sense of something that previously didn't add up and Ni, when I have this sudden epiphany that just seemed to come out of nowhere, which I can get either by observing or experiencing something in the external world, something I've read or just by doing nothing at all. I find that applying logic in that situation is counterproductive, but anyway, I couldn't analyze if I want to because when something you want to understand is so deep inside of me and/or mysterious/profound; I need to just basically meditate on it; until the revelation comes. That is basically what happened to me when I read the Personality Junkie description of he INFJ. While I did think that, while it did logically make sense to me; it wasn't until later when this enormous feeling just swelled up inside of me, then I knew; that something life-altering and deeply significant experience had occurred inside of me. It had nothing whatsoever do with type. After this reverie, it seemed to me that my entire life was suddenly explained to me. All of the questions I never could find answers to; totally added up. I've always had this little voice inside my head that kept telling me I was crazy because things just never made any sense to me; until I read that article. The ever present anxiety that I was only aware of at a shrouded, mysterious level, greatly decreased. I suddenly witnessed the "truth" that had previously always had eluded me. Honestly, I still can't accurately explain to you why or how it happened. I know, it just did.

As for the link: I think, it is in the Ni vs. Ti thread. I will look it up and post it; when I find it.

I am still looking but I did find this little gem from you:

Aquarian said:

http://personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/151459-ti-vs-ni.html

As Ni-dom/Ti-tert, I often find myself feeling something going on but unable to consciously understand it at first, and then it takes a while before I can bring it into analytical consciousness.

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That is exactly how I process information. I generally use Ti to either evaluate specific concepts to assess for rationality, only, but that doesn't mean that I can actually understand anything through logic alone. I also use Ti, to reign in irrational emotions. But when I don't have a clear framework to analyze - which is most of the time; I have to do it that way, because nothing else will work.

Here is another post of yours from that thread:

Aquarian said:

Sounds a lot like Ni to me, is that your assessment as well?

NichirenWarrior said:

I often have hunches, feelings that seem to come out of nowhere about persons, places, situations, etc. For example, I was speaking to this person awhile ago. He seemed really nice on the surface but something was just off about him. I couldn't put it into words at the time but my hunch was telling me that the image of himself that he wanted me to see didn't quite jibe which was underneath. I was able to revisit the conversation I had with him and single in on logical inconsistencies in the things he had said to me. A few weeks later, my "confusion" was cleared up because in response to a perfectly innocent question I had asked him; he basically flipped out, yelled at me and threw out all sorts of irrational and paranoid accusations at me; thus, my hunch was validated.

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Sounds a lot like Ni to me, is that your assessment as well?

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I have also confused Fi with Ni for that reason.

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I don't understand this at all - why would Fi do this?

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And here is a quote, also from that thread by Abraxas:

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Ni user is readily aware of the fact that the connection doesn't exist in the data itself - the connection is something internal bound up in who we are and choose to be. This is why all the function descriptions of Ni talk about personal metamorphosis and such, because if you change yourself, then what holds symbolic significance to you changes as well. This is also why Ni doesn't carry with it the same sense of confidence that Ne does - because the Ni user is perfectly aware of his insight as disassociating with reality and pointing at it's subjectivity. Instead, their confidence would come from knowing how to correctly apply and make use of their insight via Te or Fe, which is why those functions are their auxiliary and why you tend to see them the most.

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@TreasureTower, you're convinced you're an INFJ and I am increasingly of the perspective that you're not.

As for this dialogue, for me it's like the words get all slippery and I don't have the energy to pick it apart at this point. I will say that I feel quite strongly that you're subtly misusing what I wrote, a sort of shading from Ni into Ti like a sort of shell game sleight of hand, too quick to see, and I really wish you wouldn't use it to justify your typing. I'd be happy to be wrong about the typing but I'd prefer no to have my words subtly misused like that.

I know you don't have any bad intentions but I really don't like this situation and I apologize for getting involved with this thread in the first place - I really should have known better.