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Am I an INFJ or an INTP?

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I've been struggling with various types and after reading the INFJ description, on Personality Junkie decided that I related to that one the most. The only other one to even come close to that was INTP. Those were also the only two, that I related to the being "in the grip" inferior functions, with INFJ having the decided edge.

I took the PerC Cognitive functions test, and my 3 highest scores were INTP, INFJ and ENTP. I've pretty much written off that one, 'though; so I know for sure, it is between those two.

The reason I am posting this here, and not in either the Cognitive Functions or the Myers-Briggs forums; is that when I tried to explain my experience of Ni; non N doms types had no idea what I was talking about; so I would rather just get INFJ's opinions only.
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I will post the results.

I got INTP, INFJ and ENTP as possible types.

If I care about someone, of course; I try to do whatever I could to help them; as I assume, they would do me.

I'm not sure about that; I think that sometimes I might? I often can predict - in a general sense - what someone is going to say, before they say it; of course, this correlates to greater familiarity, of course Perhaps, it would be more accurate to say; I often can predict how someone I know will react to something.

"Do you all encompassing memory or just from your viewpoint?"
Can you rephrase this question? I'm not sure what you are asking me.

I collect data on anything and everything that interests me and people interest me the most.


Ok, sorry, I was in "senser mode", (not a slander towards sensers, but I was operating on my Ti-Se heavily so as not to piss off or confuse my senser dominant coworkers/customers) and I wasn't "feeling" the posts (INFJ's get this, not sure if other types do too)...

I don't feel a whole lot of Fe or Ni in the posts, so @TreasureTower could be INTP. We need a few more viewpoint/interaction questions.

Have you taken a function test, and ignored the "possible" types but kept the usage results?
When someone you care about is hurt/distressed emotionally, do you sit back or immediately help them?
Do you finish other people's sentences?
Do you all encompassing memory or just from your viewpoint?
Do you collect all kinds of data are just that which pertains to you?

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PerC Cognitive Function Test
This is the result of my latest test

Based on your cognitive functions, your type is most likely:
Most Likely: INTP
or Second Possibility: INFJ
or Third Possibility: ENTP



Your Cognitive Functions:
Introverted Thinking (Ti) ||||||||||||||||||||||| 10.99
Introverted Intuition (Ni) ||||||||||||||||||||||| 10.58
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) ||||||||||||||||||||| 9.73
Introverted Sensation (Si) ||||||||||||||||||| 8.54
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||||||||||| 6.94
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||||||||||||||| 6.52
Extroverted Thinking (Te) |||||||||||||| 6.24
Extroverted Sensation (Se) ||||||||| 3.57

Your Introverted Intuition (Ni) is very developed.
Your Introverted Thinking (Ti) is very developed.
Your Extroverted Intuition (Ne) is moderate.
Your Introverted Sensation (Si) is moderate.
Your Extroverted Thinking (Te) is moderate.
Your Extroverted Feeling (Fe) is moderate.
Your Introverted Feeling (Fi) is moderate.
Your Extroverted Sensation (Se) is poorly developed.


Your cognitive functions are, in order of development:
Ti - Ni - Ne - Si - Fi - Fe - Te - Se

Here are some quick descriptions of your functions, in order of preference:

The Introverted Thinking (Ti) function is used when an individual analyzes something, breaks it apart, and categorizes and defines its elements. This is the foundation of logical thinking. Ti is crucial in identifying logical inconsistencies and putting together logical arguments. Those with strong Ti usually have an ability to remain objective even when it may bother others.

The Introverted Intuition (Ni) function implicitly recognizes that one term can have multiple meanings, and allows the individual to disconnect themselves from the concept of 'objective truth'. This allows those with strong Ni to 'rewire' the connections that form a concept and test it from new and unique angles. This is why the Ni dominant types are often called analysts: they can pull apart an idea and test each individual piece to see how it changes the whole.

The Extroverted Intuition (Ne) function is oriented toward generating new possibilities. Ne is all about brainstorming - imagining a variety of possible outcomes and considering them all to be possibly true. Ne is associated with new ideas and innovative breakthroughs.

The Introverted Sensation (Si) function compares past events with current events. Si is associated with vivid memory recall and a reliance on experiential learning. Those with strong Si often prefer to take a 'hands on approach'. On the other hand, those with weak Si often do not benefit from interacting in that way.

The Introverted Feeling (Fi) function attempts to find meaning in the world. In this sense, 'feeling' doesn't necessarily mean 'emotions' - it refers to the subjective and subtle sense of value within a situation. It is often associated with gut reactions about the fairness or goodness of an interaction. Those with strong Fi usually care less about objective facts and more about what's fair or right.

The Extroverted Feeling (Fe) function is used when an individual acts in a considerate way to the feelings and beliefs of the people around them. Those with strong Fe can easily empathize with other people and is the most likely to be a 'people person.' Those with weak Fe may find themselves offending people unintentionally.

The Extroverted Thinking (Te) function imposes our own order on the world around us. Te structures the world in logical ways, ranging from the physical world (your desk, your office, etc) to concepts (creating 'flow charts' of ideas in your mind.)

The Extroverted Sensation (Se) function is associated with a vivid perception of the world, taking into account details that others may miss. Se is about being closely tuned to the world around you, and that usually translates into following 'gut impulses' and taking great pleasure in physical action. Those with weak Se may sometimes feel 'disconnected' from the world around them.
I almost always feel this way.

The Introverted Intuition (Ni) function implicitly recognizes that one term can have multiple meanings, and allows the individual to disconnect themselves from the concept of 'objective truth'. This allows those with strong Ni to 'rewire' the connections that form a concept and test it from new and unique angles. This is why the Ni dominant types are often called analysts: they can pull apart an idea and test each individual piece to see how it changes the whole.
I do this all the time. I always like looking at things from different perspective and see how those things are altered by the subsequent reframing.
I agree this this post very much, I just can't shake that vibe. To me it feels like you are an INTP who strongly identifies with INFJs. I think if you want a sound answer form yourself and others we should bring in Ni vs Ne.
@TreasureTower, I just can't shake the sense that it's Ti and not Ni as your dominant. I mean, you know yourself way better than I do, so of course you're the best one to type yourself in the end.

Words get in the way, unfortunately. I wish I could really pin down in function-specific words why I get this sense. But I can't, the words seem slippery somehow. So I have to say it this way if I'm going to say it at all: INFJs have this feel to me, it's kind of a minor chord dark-ish resonance (Ni-Fe). Your feel is different. Yours is lighter, cleaner, clearer. It's not INFP, their feel/lightness is more more summer-sun-like (Fi-Ne). Yours, while similar in that it is about light, is more like a cool clarity of light (Ti-Ne?).

I don't know if this information will be useful for you. It's pretty vague and I wish I could actually link it directly to descriptions of Ni and Ti. But like I said, for me the words get in the way at that layer.

Anyway, as I said, you know yourself way better than I do, so take it with a grain of salt.
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I relate to both Ni and Ne. I like Ne to see how things are interconnected and how it leads to different but Ni comes more naturally to me. If I am genuinely interested in something; I want to understand it fully I break it down and observe and examine all of the interconnected patterns, until I thoroughly understand something.

If I am an INTP, than how do you account for my having such high Fe? INTP fears Fe because they don't always know the proper emotional response to things. INFJs can fear Fe because they tend to absorb everyone else's feelings. If this is correct; then my fear of Fe is definitely the latter, not the former.

I wonder how many INFJs are E 5s, because it would be extremely helpful to get an E 5 INFJ's perspective on this.
I agree this this post very much, I just can't shake that vibe. To me it feels like you are an INTP who strongly identifies with INFJs. I think if you want a sound answer form yourself and others we should bring in Ni vs Ne.
Hi again, TreasureTower

I've got to say that I'm getting decidedly strong P vibes (intensely strong, really) from your posts in this thread and elsewhere, while F/T seems less clear. What do I mean about strong P vibes? I mean the direction of your posts is toward expansion rather than narrowing down. When I do "type me" threads with J types, there's a pretty clear sense of "Ok, here are my thoughts about type, is this X or Y? Oh, you think it's X? Well I can see X. Let's move on to this other issue, is it A or B?" With P types, it just... goes in a much less directed way.

Looking at your exchange here with @Aquarian. She got uncomfortable because she didn't think you were treating her words in the way that she thought you should treat them. That shows an investment in an existing structure on her part (the structure that she has in her mind), and expectations about how she and others ought to treat that structure. That is classic J right there, and a great example of INFJ, to be even more specific. I don't see that in your posts. I see divergence from structure.

Ok, so if you are an INTP, how do we explain your relationship with Fe? Well, first, I'd point out that your scores on the function test show a much, much stronger preference for Ti and N in general than for Fe. Fe was way down that list. So do you really have "such high Fe"? (Also should mention, in that same thread, @bearotter mentioned that he felt a kindred connection with you, and I've always picked up NTP vibes from him.)

What I see happening is that, if you are (as I see it) a female T type, you show the same general trend/pull toward being less "stereotypically T" than a male T type would be. As you might know, there is a consistent gender bias in the F/T dimension, and some evidence that this is related to biology. If you are an INTP, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that you have more awareness of other people's feelings and place a greater emphasis on being open to feelings than a male INTP might show. But this level of Feeling would be much less than a female F type (who tend to be the most F of the Fs).
I relate to both Ni and Ne. I like Ne to see how things are interconnected and how it leads to different but Ni comes more naturally to me. If I am genuinely interested in something; I want to understand it fully I break it down and observe and examine all of the interconnected patterns, until I thoroughly understand something.

If I am an INTP, than how do you account for my having such high Fe? INTP fears Fe because they don't always know the proper emotional response to things. INFJs can fear Fe because they tend to absorb everyone else's feelings. If this is correct; then my fear of Fe is definitely the latter, not the former.

I wonder how many INFJs are E 5s, because it would be extremely helpful to get an E 5 INFJ's perspective on this.
That's what bothers me about the INFJ inquisition. Leading with introverted iNtuition to detect "vibes" is foolish. It's subjective. It's symbolic but only in a way that a specific individual understands it. When you don't even fully know what it means, yet you let it make your decisions and sway your judgments so very quickly that's blatant misuse. Ask a person with anxiety how useful a "gut hunch" is. Most often, IT ISN'T. That's what reality checks are for. Trusting intuition blindly is foolish- that's not what it's for. Spending time trying to make sense of Ni in a way that is objective can fail; it often does. Zoom out and see the bigger picture, suddenly all these variables the individual didn't consider [because they didn't even SEE them] apply- they always applied, but in that individual's mind they don't apply until that moment of swimming back to the surface of the ocean desperate for air. Keep trying to breathe that water, you'll inevitably drown.

Plenty of people have the capability within their human brain to recognize and even emulate the other JCF which aren't their primary 4; INFJ are quite good at that. I'm sure there are people who would believe I utilize Ne, not realizing that the reason why I can emulate it when I want to is because I was in a serious relationship with an INFP for half my life (it's much easier to do with caffeine, sugar, and sleep deprivation, but w/e).

I'm sure there are people who would believe I have strong Ti (I do), not realizing that the reason why is because I'm a head enneagram (5, 6, and 7 each are) and I'm 32 years old. I've had plenty of time to hone Ti while by myself off in my own little world or as a student. It doesn't make me a Ti-dom; it makes me an "academic" flavor of INFJ.

I think several INFJ just need to experience life outside of the familiarity of their comfort zone to the point of asking really hard questions about their own, limited perception. That's the problem; it's limited. If something feels "off" it doesn't necessarily mean it's so starkly different from who you identify yourself to be and what labels you put on it that you'll never be able to recognize it for what it actually is, both how different and how alike it is, given enough time and experience. Be careful with your labels. "Not like me" does not equal "not my MBTI". Be complex about the appropriate things and simplistic about the appropriate things. Mix one up for the other, though, and you're in for trouble.
Yes, that does confuse me more than anything, because all it really tells me is that they are somewhat different from me. What helps me the most is when people give me reasons that are more logic based, and it would probably be more useful to examine Ti/Ne or Ni/Fe, than Ni or Ne by itself. Every time, I read the official thread on that, I want to shoot myself. :wink:

I went through this in the Enneagram forum for the longest time: a few people told me that not only did I not sound like a 5 but that I didn't even sound like a head type - solely based on the fact; that I didn't experience or express myself, exactly like them. Fortunately for me; my Enneagram journey was far less confusing than my MBTI one, and don't even get me started on Socionics :crazy:! I know that I am a 5 and I didn't allow anyone to sway me from that conviction. The problem with MBTI and JCF, is that I think I fit both types - INTP and INFJ, really well. I read the descriptions on Personality Junkie and the INFJ description (with one or two minor exceptions) fit me to a T, but so did the INTP one. I secretly wonder if I had made a comparable thread in the INTP forum - emphasizing my idealism and spirituality; that I would likely be told that I am an INFJ; even though I know more than a few NTs who are very spiritual and idealistic.

"INFJ inquisition": I suddenly got all these images of literally being killed with kindness.

:laughing:
That's what bothers me about the INFJ inquisition. Leading with introverted iNtuition to detect "vibes" is foolish. It's subjective. It's symbolic but only in a way that a specific individual understands it. When you don't even fully know what it means, yet you let it make your decisions and sway your judgments so very quickly that's blatant misuse. Ask a person with anxiety how useful a "gut hunch" is. Most often, IT ISN'T. That's what reality checks are for. Trusting intuition blindly is foolish- that's not what it's for. Spending time trying to make sense of Ni in a way that is objective can fail; it often does. Zoom out and see the bigger picture, suddenly all these variables the individual didn't consider [because they didn't even SEE them] apply- they always applied, but in that individual's mind they don't apply until that moment of swimming back to the surface of the ocean desperate for air. Keep trying to breathe that water, you'll inevitably drown.

Plenty of people have the capability within their human brain to recognize and even emulate the other JCF which aren't their primary 4; INFJ are quite good at that. I'm sure there are people who would believe I utilize Ne, not realizing that the reason why I can emulate it when I want to is because I was in a serious relationship with an INFP for half my life (it's much easier to do with caffeine, sugar, and sleep deprivation, but w/e).

I'm sure there are people who would believe I have strong Ti (I do), not realizing that the reason why is because I'm a head enneagram (5, 6, and 7 each are) and I'm 32 years old. I've had plenty of time to hone Ti while by myself off in my own little world or as a student. It doesn't make me a Ti-dom; it makes me an "academic" flavor of INFJ.

I think several INFJ just need to experience life outside of the familiarity of their comfort zone to the point of asking really hard questions about their own, limited perception. That's the problem; it's limited. If something feels "off" it doesn't necessarily mean it's so starkly different from who you identify yourself to be and what labels you put on it that you'll never be able to recognize it for what it actually is, both how different and how alike it is, given enough time and experience. Be careful with your labels. "Not like me" does not equal "not my MBTI". Be complex about the appropriate things and simplistic about the appropriate things. Mix one up for the other, though, and you're in for trouble.
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LOL! XD I hadn't thought of it that way, thank you!
"INFJ inquisition": I suddenly got all these images of literally being killed with kindness.

:laughing:
LOTS of sugar :laughing:
Plenty of people have the capability within their human brain to recognize and even emulate the other JCF which aren't their primary 4; INFJ are quite good at that. I'm sure there are people who would believe I utilize Ne, not realizing that the reason why I can emulate it when I want to is because I was in a serious relationship with an INFP for half my life (it's much easier to do with caffeine, sugar, and sleep deprivation, but w/e).
I realize that if I've met female enneagram 5 I probably wasn't aware at the time what that even is. So, honestly, I'm in a way taking mental notes.

Some things occurred to me while typing out my thoughts, on the topic of Ti ( - - ) Fe versus - ( Fe Ti ) - and here's how it played out, start to finish:

I definitely agree. There's a site that describes the INTP experience that I bookmarked and read several times. I identified with it quite a lot, but I knew there was something missing and I knew that being able to understand someone else doesn't mean we're exactly the same. I'm in an advantageous position of feeling like a hybrid. I find hybrids beautiful, so I have no problem with that... the problem I have is in seeking a place to belong. I'm not a social variant ennea 6w5 type of INFJ, so I don't ever try to conform to please other people or to meet their expectations solely to appease them or merely to fully comply with broad social rules. To me such behavior for the sake of compliance alone is always wrong- doing so, I wouldn't be myself. This means I walk the world disappointing people who want me to fit their mold of what I should be, do, say, and who they think I am. I see other people doing the same thing and have to be able to recognize why they are doing it, even if /when I happen to disagree with the way they are currently doing it.

I'm not who they think I am, I am who I am. I belong in a place where people understand this. I belong with people who understand this. It isn't inferior Fe at all; It's auxiliary Fe. I will never adapt to the degree that I lose my identity to keep other people comfortable. They don't decide who I am, I do. They don't decide whether my actions are right or wrong, I do. I mention this because it's a bit of a different growth process to learn to dial back emphasis on auxiliary Fe as an INFJ, than it is for an INTP learning to direct their inferior Fe in a healthy way.

There was always pressure on me to be "normal" to "fit in" and kids treated me very badly any time that I strayed from behavior they thought was acceptable. I had to learn to be, well, eccentric in private. As a smart kid, I was accused of brown nosing or being "teacher's pet" so I learned to not raise my hand even when I knew the answer 100%. I didn't want that negative attention or false accusations. I simply loved learning. Getting a teacher's approval was not my goal. The other kids didn't understand this about me. I conformed only enough to get by but it meant slowly dying inside.

It caused me a lot of pain because, again, I'm not a social variant enneagram- I'm self-preservation. I traded the pain of rejection with the pain of rejecting an integral part of myself. I was forcing myself to attempt to be what others wanted me to be in whatever ways I could -not many, at that- but quickly gave up. I just couldn't. It hurt too much. Instead, I withdrew from people whenever possible because disappointing them -after first not being accepted as myself, and secondly making the strenuous effort to sacrifice who I am but it not working- was too much to bear. I was miserable.

I wanted to adapt, but I couldn't, which made my chronic depression even more severe.

I'll contrast this a bit with someone I know who is a very young INTP.

I have a 6-year-old grand nephew who is obviously INTP. It's painful for me to watch him at this age wielding his Ti dominance around other kids who have no idea what the hell he's talking about... and see him get upset when he wants to be left alone but has no idea how to communicate these simple social niceties so, instead, he becomes angry and verbally abusive. He doesn't understand how he has hurt his ENFJ cousin's feelings. He just understands that he doesn't want to have anything to do with her for at least an hour and is frustrated that she doesn't understand "Leave me alone!". Well, she's 4-years-old and an Fe dominant. He liked playing with her 30 minutes ago, 3 days ago, 3 months ago- it makes no sense at all to her that he's suddenly changed his mind and is acting like he hates her. He could just be civil and she would actually comply- I've seen her do it willingly when I've used that tactic, but he's 6-years-old with inferior Fe; he's too young to realize how to channel that Fe properly. Luckily, he has an ESFJ father with a good sense of humor so I'm not too worried about my grand nephew.

If anyone can glean anything useful from this, I'm glad.
Yes, that does confuse me more than anything, because all it really tells me is that they are somewhat different from me. What helps me the most is when people give me reasons that are more logic based, and it would probably be more useful to examine Ti/Ne or Ni/Fe, than Ni or Ne by itself. Every time, I read the official thread on that, I want to shoot myself. :wink:

I went through this in the Enneagram forum for the longest time: a few people told me that not only did I not sound like a 5 but that I didn't even sound like a head type - solely based on the fact; that I didn't experience or express myself, exactly like them. Fortunately for me; my Enneagram journey was far less confusing than my MBTI one, and don't even get me started on Socionics :crazy:! I know that I am a 5 and I didn't allow anyone to sway me from that conviction. The problem with MBTI and JCF, is that I think I fit both types - INTP and INFJ, really well. I read the descriptions on Personality Junkie and the INFJ description (with one or two minor exceptions) fit me to a T, but so did the INTP one. I secretly wonder if I had made a comparable thread in the INTP forum - emphasizing my idealism and spirituality; that I would likely be told that I am an INFJ; even though I know more than a few NTs who are very spiritual and idealistic.
@TreasureTower

maybe you're a mysterious creature from the deep blue ocean?? :D

Anyways, I figured out my type in the similar situation by understanding what my life goal is (I told you this already), and that is was humanity-related. The INTP I know really well would much rather have a fulfilling job and live comfortably. I don't mean to generalize here, but in my experience these life goals are very very different.
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But what about all of the descriptions of INTPs being emotionally detached and lacking in emotional expression? While I do tend to feel very awkward in new situations - being an IN; when I do feel comfortable with people; they have described me as "a lot of fun", "charming", "caring", "warm" and "insightful". Is this true for the average INTP?

Also, on many of my tests; I have scored as an F about 45% of the time. And while female F types, might be "the most "F of the Fs"; I remember reading somewhere that INFJs were "the least F of the NFs". . . so . . .

:unsure:
Hi again, TreasureTower

I've got to say that I'm getting decidedly strong P vibes (intensely strong, really) from your posts in this thread and elsewhere, while F/T seems less clear. What do I mean about strong P vibes? I mean the direction of your posts is toward expansion rather than narrowing down. When I do "type me" threads with J types, there's a pretty clear sense of "Ok, here are my thoughts about type, is this X or Y? Oh, you think it's X? Well I can see X. Let's move on to this other issue, is it A or B?" With P types, it just... goes in a much less directed way.

Looking at your exchange here with @Aquarian. She got uncomfortable because she didn't think you were treating her words in the way that she thought you should treat them. That shows an investment in an existing structure on her part (the structure that she has in her mind), and expectations about how she and others ought to treat that structure. That is classic J right there, and a great example of INFJ, to be even more specific. I don't see that in your posts. I see divergence from structure.

Ok, so if you are an INTP, how do we explain your relationship with Fe? Well, first, I'd point out that your scores on the function test show a much, much stronger preference for Ti and N in general than for Fe. Fe was way down that list. So do you really have "such high Fe"? (Also should mention, in that same thread, @bearotter mentioned that he felt a kindred connection with you, and I've always picked up NTP vibes from him.)

What I see happening is that, if you are (as I see it) a female T type, you show the same general trend/pull toward being less "stereotypically T" than a male T type would be. As you might know, there is a consistent gender bias in the F/T dimension, and some evidence that this is related to biology. If you are an INTP, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that you have more awareness of other people's feelings and place a greater emphasis on being open to feelings than a male INTP might show. But this level of Feeling would be much less than a female F type (who tend to be the most F of the Fs).
I know, right!? And then you get bad grades (at least here in Europe) just because you don't "participate" in class. I learned in my teen years to do imperfect homework so that the teacher would stop humiliating me before the whole class, showing them "how it should be done". Also, when we got our test results back I could never show any enthusiasm about a good grade, just learned to look at it and file the paper away. It puzzles me how teachers fail to see something SO OBVIOUS! The more you praise a student before a group, the more the group hates him/her. Have they never been in school before?
As a smart kid, I was accused of brown nosing or being "teacher's pet" so I learned to not raise my hand even when I knew the answer 100%. I didn't want that negative attention or false accusations. I simply loved learning. Getting a teacher's approval was not my goal. The other kids didn't understand this about me. I conformed only enough to get by but it meant slowly dying inside. It caused me a lot of pain because, again, I'm not a social variant enneagram. I was forcing myself to attempt to be what others wanted me to be, but quickly gave up. I just couldn't. It hurt too much. Instead, I withdrew from people whenever possible because disappointing them -after not being able to be myself or be accepted as myself, after that strenuous effort of sacrifice- was too much to bear.

I wanted to adapt, but I couldn't, which made my chronic depression even more severe.
Hahahahaha!

I didn't realize it but apparently YOU are the voice in my head that's been encouraging me to doubt my gut level perception all these decades. Dude, you've caused me a lot of unnecessary pain and strife! Why don't you mind your own business and get out of my head already - I mean, you have really overstayed your welcome - and focus your name-calling disrespect of Ni (actually, Ni-Se) elsewhere than inside my freaking head.

But seriously: Truth in my experience is this: Acting from my gut intuition, Ni (I think more properly, Ni-Se) is actually a really great way to move if it's trusted and honed. My problem has been distrusting and not openly working with (rather than berating myself with the kind of BS above) this marvelous source of information about what is going on around me.

But what's that saying ... "your mileage may vary."
Leading with introverted iNtuition to detect "vibes" is foolish. It's subjective. It's symbolic but only in a way that a specific individual understands it. When you don't even fully know what it means, yet you let it make your decisions and sway your judgments so very quickly that's blatant misuse. Ask a person with anxiety how useful a "gut hunch" is. Most often, IT ISN'T. That's what reality checks are for. Trusting intuition blindly is foolish- that's not what it's for. Spending time trying to make sense of Ni in a way that is objective can fail; it often does. Zoom out and see the bigger picture, suddenly all these variables the individual didn't consider [because they didn't even SEE them] apply- they always applied, but in that individual's mind they don't apply until that moment of swimming back to the surface of the ocean desperate for air. Keep trying to breathe that water, you'll inevitably drown.
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You should remember @TreasureTower that when @Teybo says what he does, he's not necessarily talking of a T-dominant. He's in general speaking of the dichotomies.
The description of the INTP as unlively etc is probably assuming the T-dominance POV.

You probably fit a good portion of both the F and the T end of the dichotomies based on your descriptions, so that's what's going on here. Aka, "moderate" on the F-T dimension.
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speak for yourself ;)
whereas Fe is FIRE and PASSION and (not in the sexual sense lol)
:tongue: I should have formulated that differently
speak for yourself ;)
Oh, gawd, I hated that... I couldn't even celebrate a good grade. I shrugged. It taught me humility, I'll say that much. I eventually decided people would always have some reason to dislike me and when it wasn't directly my fault (I mean, it's just someone's opinion... who doesn't know me very well...) I needed to accept that. Even when they wouldn't accept me. I had to learn to accept them. It was downright scathing to my conscience but gradually I did it.
I know, right!? And then you get bad grades (at least here in Europe) just because you don't "participate" in class. I learned in my teen years to do imperfect homework so that the teacher would stop humiliating me before the whole class, showing them "how it should be done". Also, when we got our test results back I could never show any enthusiasm about a good grade, just learned to look at it and file the paper away. It puzzles me how teachers fail to see something SO OBVIOUS! The more you praise a student before a group, the more the group hates him/her. Have they never been in school before?
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You proved my point.

Your truth is your truth.

That's it.

In the effort of extending your truth to others, you may find that your truth ends where another person's truth begins.

You can be upset by it.

You can grow through it.

You can acknowledge the limitations and become even better with your intuition than ever before.

Your choice.
Hahahahaha!

I didn't realize it but apparently YOU are the voice in my head that's been encouraging me to doubt my gut level perception all these decades. Dude, you've caused me a lot of unnecessary pain and strife! Why don't you mind your own business and get out of my head already - I mean, you have really overstayed your welcome - and focus your name-calling disrespect of Ni (actually, Ni-Se) elsewhere than inside my freaking head.

But seriously: Truth in my experience is this: Acting from my gut intuition, Ni (I think more properly, Ni-Se) is actually a really great way to move if it's trusted and honed. My problem has been distrusting and not openly working with (rather than berating myself with the kind of BS above) this marvelous source of information about what is going on around me.

But what's that saying ... "your mileage may vary."
For @Sweetish

"INFJ Inquisition"

In these Free Hugs videos on youtube I felt so bad for the less attractive person if the huggers operated in pairs or small groups, because basically people automatically approached the good looking huggers.

That's so unfair, although it is likely that I would have done the same thing myself xD You know, instincts...
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