[Trebek8]

I seem to type as either ESTP or ENTP. Half the time as one and half the time as the other. I'm really unsure which one I am. I feel like I have traits of both, and that I am both S/N at the same time.

I am 6'5
185 lbs. (skinny guy but I'm toned)
I have ESTP eyes (their characteristic sharp/cold stare)
Sort of large, straight nose
Jaw line is slightly angular, small chin

When I'm with friends who are NT's, I feel like I act like an ENTP. Spontaneous, full of random crazy facts and ideas, sense of adventure, etc.

When I'm with friends who are SF's or ST's however, I feel like I act like an ESTP. I'm more down to earth, calm-minded, and prefer listening more than talking.

What are some key factors/differences between a NT and SP?

 

[Trebek8]

I wish I could post a pic of myself, but I can't until I get 15 posts >.<

 

[Fizz]

That height and weight thing is very important in determining whether you're ESTP or not.

 

[Eighty]

Lol, what the hell. Why are you posting your weight etc. That's utterly unrelated to your brain make-up.

HEAVENS!

Try reading about what the 16 personality types even are before attempting to type yourself so inacurately.

My first suspect is, you're not an ESTP !

 

[themartyparade]

Chill, he's probably not gotten the theory down yet is all.

I'd say what does this guy think is the key factors between an NT and SP? How do you think an ENTP vs ESTP actually acts and behaves?

 

[DJArendee]

my response to another thread copied and pasted.

The best way would be to determine if you use Se/Ne or Ni/Si. I'd need some other ESTP's to help me out with this.

inferior Ni: you don't see many other viable possibilities other than the initial few you came up with. Dominant Se creates an "eye on the prize" mentality where you see no possibilities OTHER THAN what you are focussed on. This means you will throw anything aside that gets in the way of your goal or you deem as irrelevant. You know when to quit, but you won't give up until it is determined that you have attempted every possible angle upon the singular point of focus. The person or object of attention will feel overwhelmed because you are attacking it from all possible angles at once.

dominant Ne: you see many potential possibilities for the context of your focus from your dominant Ne. You might not know when to quit, because you still see potential possibilities. If one doesn't work out, you try another, then another, then another. This makes you persistent as well, but in a different way. Eventually the cat is exhausted from having its tail pulled, being poked and prodded for too long and every ounce of its strength to fight back is gone.

 

[Adventure]

This ain't no dating site, so you can keep detailed body data and measures to yourself. Although I don't recall any ectomorph estp, also not many tall ones.

ESTp and ENTp are similar. When I had my doubts when typing i read about it and major diffrence people stared on various forums included:
looks - Se more concerned bout looks in various ways (exercise, makeup, clothing, hairstyle) than Ne
solution seeking - Se try ways one by one, starting from the one that will most likely work according to common sence while Ne will most likely try starting from the hardest or most impossible one
learning - lets say you study math. Se will rather DO something (ie. math exercise) or listen how to do it step by step (analyzing the process), while Ne will rather learn from theory in their book or solving it their own way

Social interactions are not goot indicator.
Although I also noticed the fact that I behave a bit diffrent around diffrent groups of people.

 

[themartyparade]

Se more concerned bout looks in various ways (exercise, makeup, clothing, hairstyle)

Hell naw, I reckon you've never met an ENFP in your life. Those girls are crazy.

 

[Snow Dove]

This thread has a good list for that-
http://personalitycafe.com/entp-forum-visionaries/16020-entp-vs-estp-2.html

 

[Eighty]

Well after my immature comment from earlier, you may want to check my own thread out, where I have had done much speculation about whether I was an ESTP at all, a lot of Se and Ne was discussed.

It's a tricky one to get around, but I got there eventually.

See here:

http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/95523-always-considered-i-estp-but-now.html

(is he still even here?)

 

[Adventure]

check this:
by "what yeah okey" on intjforum.com

ESTP: Con man. Usually found at sports bars, sporting events and casinos. Often involved in get-rich-quick schemes. Enjoys sleeping around and occasionally murdering people. Selfish, ballsy and unreliable.

Examples: James Bond (loose cannon who murders people), Donald Trump (entrepreneur with a penchant for sleeping around on the side), General Patton.


ENTP: Smart-ass with a pathological drive to turn everything into a game, whether you like it or not. Has no loyalty towards anyone or anything, only towards their current interest. Often amoral and narcissistic. Will nitpick everything you say for logical consistency, then ask trick questions to make you look dumb. Insufferably robotic until they develop the Fe necessary to charm and manipulate. Lives to explore the possibilities of the outside world; often will make decisions on a whim based on what could provide the most personal gain and/or entertainment value. Does not care about power in the sense of controlling others, but rather for the chance to get others to play their games.

Examples: Richard Feynman (Nobel prize winning physicist who covertly solved the problems in his grad students' papers in order to humiliate them AND slept with their girlfriends), Q from Star Trek, Nick Naylor from Thank You For Smoking and Colonel Hans Llanda from Inglorious Basterds.

 

[DJArendee]

You went all the way into the hive to retrieve that on your own?

 

[elvis2010]

I seem to type as either ESTP or ENTP. Half the time as one and half the time as the other. I'm really unsure which one I am. I feel like I have traits of both, and that I am both S/N at the same time.

Real simple, Trebek. An ENTP told me that if someone told him a stove was hot, he HAD to touch the stove. When I ask an ENTP, "when someone tells you a stove is hot..." They will answer before I finish the question, "I have to touch it." I am on my fifth ENTP who has answered the question before I finished it.

As a sensing as in common sense ESTP, I thought the ENTP's behavior was nuts. Why would someone lie to you about a stove being hot? But it has to do with the fact that ENTP's have inaccurate sensing and need to learn how hot ETC, so they are trying to adjust and improve their sensing.

Oh, and after I posted this example of ENTP behavior on the ENTP forum, they all agreed that they were stove touchers. One wise ENTP told me he would try to argue and justify touching the stove and burning his hand, but he said I probably wouldn't be able to hear him because I would be laughing so hard.

Another less wise ENTP actually argued for touching the hot stove and burning his hand suggesting that if ENTPs hadn't burnt their hands by exploring, we wouldn't have fire today.

So there is your answer. If you touch a hot stove after being told not to, burn your hand, and can argue that burning your hand is somehow good for the future of mankind, you are an ENTP. If you think such an explanation is the most bat shit crazy thing you have ever heard in your life, you are an ESTP.

 

[Ebunk]

Real simple, Trebek. An ENTP told me that if someone told him a stove was hot, he HAD to touch the stove. When I ask an ENTP, "when someone tells you a stove is hot..." They will answer before I finish the question, "I have to touch it." I am on my fifth ENTP who has answered the question before I finished it.

As a sensing as in common sense ESTP, I thought the ENTP's behavior was nuts. Why would someone lie to you about a stove being hot? But it has to do with the fact that ENTP's have inaccurate sensing and need to learn how hot ETC, so they are trying to adjust and improve their sensing.

Oh, and after I posted this example of ENTP behavior on the ENTP forum, they all agreed that they were stove touchers. One wise ENTP told me he would try to argue and justify touching the stove and burning his hand, but he said I probably wouldn't be able to hear him because I would be laughing so hard.

Another less wise ENTP actually argued for touching the hot stove and burning his hand suggesting that if ENTPs hadn't burnt their hands by exploring, we wouldn't have fire today.

So there is your answer. If you touch a hot stove after being told not to, burn your hand, and can argue that burning your hand is somehow good for the future of mankind, you are an ENTP. If you think such an explanation is the most bat shit crazy thing you have ever heard in your life, you are an ESTP.

What about putting your hand near the stove to judge how hot it is...for mere curiosity.

 

[themartyparade]

What about putting your hand near the stove to judge how hot it is...for mere curiosity.

Was wondering that too. You can investigate without getting burned!

 

[elvis2010]

What about putting your hand near the stove to judge how hot it is...for mere curiosity.

An ENFJ told me she would touch the stove really quick so as to not get burned, but she felt compelled to touch it too. An extremely intelligent INFJ I respect told me that 99% of the time, INFJs would not touch the stove, and 1% of the time, they would dive onto it. I haven't asked the other types yet.

I have seen some INFJs in stove diver mode and believe me it ain't pretty. LOL.

But you guys are applying common sense principles, and ENTPs don't have any on their own. They have to learn them and that means getting burned a few times literally and figuratively in the process. Occasionally, society does gain some benefit from ENTP bumbling. For example, tomatoes were once believed to be poison. I could just see some ENTP eating one after being told it was poison and say, "This tastes pretty good. I think I will mash up and make ketchup."

Remember though this is what ENTPs are telling me, and I am just the messenger. The only part that is mine is saying that burning your hand and saying that is somehow good for humanity is batshit crazy, at least to an ESTP. In the nonsensical ENTP world, burning one's hand is somehow rational.

 

[Iron Sabbath]

Real simple, Trebek. An ENTP told me that if someone told him a stove was hot, he HAD to touch the stove. When I ask an ENTP, "when someone tells you a stove is hot..." They will answer before I finish the question, "I have to touch it." I am on my fifth ENTP who has answered the question before I finished it.
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Wouldnt that just be curiosity?

 

[Nessie]

Wouldnt that just be curiosity?

@Iron Sabbath, I agree with this "just curious" version.

Curiosity have lots to do with if someone is Inquisitive type. ENTPs often tend to be for example SCUEI in BIG 5, I for Inqusitive, which does mean inquisitiveness, intelectual openess, adventurousnes, openess to emotions etc. (despite last one Ill interpret in case of Calm ones more in terms of being able to read emotions than being emotional).

ESTPs could be also Inquisitive ones, Im walking sample (same as plenty others I know IRL) and when I asked other ESTPs about BIG 5 type here, appeared 1 more inquisitive number. This with curiosity I dont see like really reliable marker which ExTP version OP is.

 

[starri]

I am 6'5
185 lbs. (skinny guy but I'm toned)

Describing physical aspects. I am leaning towards SP, but I need to know more.

 

[Zeus]

Lol, what the hell. Why are you posting your weight etc. That's utterly unrelated to your brain make-up.

HEAVENS!

Try reading about what the 16 personality types even are before attempting to type yourself so inacurately.

My first suspect is, you're not an ESTP !

No!!!!!!! you completely ruined what fizz said.