[Staryu]

OK so I'm having a bit of trouble typing myself. The tests I've taken say I'm INTJ, but I'm not 100% sure if I am. Here's why:

Te[extraverted thinking]: I make decisions based on factual reasoning. Let's say u had to choose a new apt for urself. 1 was 600 but not so pretty-looking whereas the other 1 was 700 but "felt right'. I'd go for the $600 one. I spose this makes me INTJ? Well I normally don't spend much time at home, so I'd leave it bare. I'm often in libraries, cafes, etc. I've also said harsh things without meaning to, when trying to solve a friend's problem( notice I did not use the word comfort here, because I do not believe that u can comfort someone fully UNLESS you are in their situation. So you have to try to think of what the best solution is. One time I told a friend who just broke up with her BF that she does not need anyone else in life (because that's exactly what I think!) Apparently I was heartless, although to me, I was just being honest and thought it was good advice. I suppose this is INTJ resilience? LOL. I've also been called a dumbass because I lack good social skills, am not good at dealing with people, and have very few friends since I don't socialize very much [ie at frat parties]. I also find people really complicated and don't know what to do because I forget to do the 'right thing and act normal' at social gatherings >.<

Fe[extraverted feeling]: I can get highly emotional but prefer not to express emotions. The few times I tried to because I heard that it "would make me a better person" it was EXTREMELY embarrassing and I will never do that again. Then again, I enjoy connecting with people and do feel natural empathy and come up with ways to solve that person's problem. I also wish people were more accepting and less judgmental of people who were not like them. I also believe that people are good at heart and need to be guided the right way. In spite of being shy, I have often gone up to talk to random strangers in my college cafeteria because I think other people sometimes have unique ideas that prove to be really helpful, plus interesting insights(sometimes). I also like to help people =)

Fi[introverted feeling]: Well I REALLY like art. And I'm kind of messy =P although I do take time to clean up the messes because it helps me function better. I usually don't end up getting to it tho :crazy: I enjoy expressing myself through fashion, play piano, and love to paint. I also like to read stories =D I'm vegetarian because I love animals and don't like to see them dead =( & i understand that plants die too, but it's easier to regrow a plant than an animal. I also tend to be a bit biased sometimes bc I overlook ppls feelings in stuff =/ I like to do more than 1 thing at a time.

 

[IamOpening]

You do sound like an INTJ to me.
Maybe an INFJ. But you seem more T than J, based on what you wrote.

 

[Staryu]

You do sound like an INTJ to me.
Maybe an INFJ. But you seem more T than J, based on what you wrote.

explain a bit further & more detail, please?

 

[dagnytaggart]

I disagree with IamOpening.

You strike me as INFP. You seem to experience a lot of emotion, but do NOT like expressing them. This suggests Fi instead of Fe.

And you don't have to be a T to come across the wrong way at times. You just have to be human.

And you seem to have the Introvertish vibe and P-ish one to boot. Just being on PerC qualifies you as N. :crazy:

Kidding, but I'd just say INFP or ISFP.

 

[Staryu]

I disagree with IamOpening.

You strike me as INFP. You seem to experience a lot of emotion, but do NOT like expressing them. This suggests Fi instead of Fe.

And you don't have to be a T to come across the wrong way at times. You just have to be human.

And you seem to have the Introvertish vibe and P-ish one to boot. Just being on PerC qualifies you as N. :crazy:

Kidding, but I'd just say INFP or ISFP.

i highly doubt that T types don't experience emotions..it just means that their natural preference is to disregard those emotions, which i often do. i also think it's weak to cry [is this a T or F trait?]
understood. from what ive read though, apparently F types are better at dealing with people's feelings and are generally more tactful whereas I never agreed with being tactful when parents said i had to be and hated it
=S but i could be wrong..
& i highly doubt ISFP, i scored 93% on intuition LOL..i doubt that's wrong. plus i think of myself as unconventional and enjoy setting standards for myself[if other people think it's weird, so be it] so that rules out ISFP. i suppose i have a P-ish vibe..but I often end up completing projects early and it bugs me until i get it done. does this still make me a P?
*still confused about the whole thing*

 

[anon]

IN_J, I still can't tell which one. Can you provide more info... like, have you been any different in the past? Has any thing about you that you've stated you've only discovered about yourself recently? Like a new found ability/talent?

It could also depend on what kind of environment you've adapted yourself to... what kind of people have you grown up with? What makes you go up to people and want to talk to them?

When people feel that it's weak to cry is only because we are conscious of other people's perceptions about us or if we have to constantly be the 'stronger' one or the one who has it together. The emotions have to be validated by us before it is 'safe' to let them out. It can be true for F and T personalities, but I guess F's tend to break it loose more than T's. :/

I find crying or expressing strong emotions a weakness sometimes as well and find difficulty in doing so, I have been confused as to whether I'm T or F, but F seems more fit, for now

 

[Staryu]

@Anon

1. Have I been any different in the past..I'm not quite sure how to answer this question? Well I have been lectured for being too harsh and direct, but I don't see the point in sugar-coating things. I mean, if you're going to ask for my opinion and help, you should be ready to hear whatever I'm going to say. If you don't want to know, don't ask. I never understood people's need for approval and recognition..because for me, if I think I have done the right thing, then I have, no matter what anyone else says. I'm not good at picking up on emotional/subtle body language cues either. One time, my INFP friend was with me and our classmate was sad. I had no idea whatsoever because he had his regular face on and..I honestly had no idea he was sad. After he left the room, my INFP friend said "oh poor guy, he's sad, i can tell.' me: but..he didn't say he was sad or anything..? her: no, you dunce, it's obvious in his manner and facial expression. me: ohh..
I also tend to get really interested in certain things and try to use that knowledge. For example, I am learning MBTI now in an effort to better understand interaction styles so that I can get better at social skills and get my messages across more effectively. I also enjoy applied math more than theoretical math(I'd take math models over discrete linear algebra any day). I also enjoy subjects like science and political science, because I like the systems and technical classifications for things that they use. I also like to learn about how countries are ruled. As for more school info, I'm majoring in Earth Sci or Physical Chem because I've always been a fan of the physical world and LOVE science experiments.
That being said, I do tend to do the gushing and squealing when teasing friends =P. Don't blame me, it's funny. And it's all in fun. I don't tease mean stuff.
I read that the T vs F is more based on decision making, and when I make decisions I just decide using a list of alternatives rather than points-of-view. I'd rather have a decision that was the best in the long run but I didn't particularly like rather than one that I liked but was not the best. I always make sure to evaluate all factors( besides what I like and don't like or whatever x person likes/does not like.)

2. Well I know for a fact that my dad is either an ISTP or ISFP( more probably ISTP because he's usually distant and introspective, as well is REALLY good at fixing things.) My brother is ENFJ and mom is ESFJ. Mom has lectured me to be more like my brother LOL. He is extremely popular and everyone knows his name(no joke, from the moment I enter his school, some random kid asks me if I'm his sister and then adds that "[my brother] is so cool and friendly."Two of my friends are INFPs, and one is ESFP according to a test she did(but she seems more ENFP to me since she's unconventional and believes that unicorns might possibly exist. I do too XD. ( she often tires me out though, because she doesn't stop talking =P. But I love her:laughing: she's such a sweet person!) I also like my two INFP friends very much, and once had a crush on one of them :crazy: And I really like my INTP best friend too.

3. What makes me go up to people and talk to them? So we can have interesting discussions on ideas and things, and have fun( ie being silly, etc :crazy I usually don't besides my school cafeteria & just don't bother talking to people at parties. Friends have also said I'm too private and should confide in them more. Oh, sorry >.<

4. For me it's the wanting to be constantly 'stronger' one. I'm a huge fan of independence and resilience, and wish others would do the same.

 

[anon]

Niiiice...

Now I am leaning towards INT-
I'm not sure about the P/J though, I am seeing both in your description. What percentage of j/p did you get in your test(s)?

You might want to have a look at the INTJ and INTP profiles and see which ones suit you more?

 

[Staryu]

For J & P I was pretty even..it was a 55-45 thing, and that could have been based on the way the questions were worded. For example " do you tend to make lists and use schedules?"
me: well, i have to, otherwise I'd forget all my appointments and go crazy LOL

Explaining further on the P/J thing..I don't understand people's need to get all neurotic with the "NO it has to be THIS WAY kind of thing (my ESFJ roomie would often fix up my stuff so it made more sense to her the way things were arranged, but I thought she was too rigid). I can work fine on a cluttered desk, provided I move the clutter to the floor or somewhere else for the time being =P
I absolutely hate to leave stuff to the last minute though, and I never do. I am usually always on time for stuff, but not extremely[ie half an hr] early. For me, I just plan so I'll get there on time. That being said, I was often late to class last year, even tho I hated being late.
I also feel a LOT better after a decision is made than before, and like to get things done.
Hope this helped...
And Anon, you're welcome [in regards to the TY on the previous post I did]

 

[NeedsNewNameNow]

I've also said harsh things without meaning to, when trying to solve a friend's problem( notice I did not use the word comfort here, because I do not believe that u can comfort someone fully UNLESS you are in their situation.

I think I would rule out INFP at this point. I think they tend to believe you can put yourself in someone's situation (through Ne)

I've also been called a dumbass because I lack good social skills, am not good at dealing with people, and have very few friends since I don't socialize very much [ie at frat parties]. I also find people really complicated and don't know what to do because I forget to do the 'right thing and act normal' at social gatherings >.<

So if you are INFJ, I would say that your Fe is weak

Fe[extraverted feeling]: I can get highly emotional but prefer not to express emotions. The few times I tried to because I heard that it "would make me a better person" it was EXTREMELY embarrassing and I will never do that again.

Again could be poorly developed Fe, not necessarily Fi. (BTW, just curious, why are you torn between those 3 INxx types and leave out INTP?)

Then again, I enjoy connecting with people and do feel natural empathy and come up with ways to solve that person's problem.

solving their problems suggests a T approach

I also wish people were more accepting and less judgmental of people who were not like them. I also believe that people are good at heart and need to be guided the right way. In spite of being shy, I have often gone up to talk to random strangers in my college cafeteria because I think other people sometimes have unique ideas that prove to be really helpful, plus interesting insights(sometimes). I also like to help people =)

This part sounds really NF however!

Fi[introverted feeling]: Well I REALLY like art. And I'm kind of messy =P although I do take time to clean up the messes because it helps me function better.

Art doesn't really have anything to do with Fi. Are your values personal (Fi) or do you tend to share the values of the people around you (Fe)?

I usually don't end up getting to it tho :crazy: I enjoy expressing myself through fashion, play piano, and love to paint. I also like to read stories =D I'm vegetarian because I love animals and don't like to see them dead =( & i understand that plants die too, but it's easier to regrow a plant than an animal. I also tend to be a bit biased sometimes bc I overlook ppls feelings in stuff =/ I like to do more than 1 thing at a time.

These don't sound like very INTJ pursuits (suppose they could be). Right now I'm thinking you are most likely an INFJ with a weak Fe

 

[akaSurreal]

Just posting my two cents. I do not believe a F would override feeling with logic/practicality so easily as it sounds you tend to. Based on your initial post, I definitely think you are INT. As far as P or J. I am also like you where I am very close to the middle but I sway towards J and suspect you do as well.

 

[vince9950]

I really think you're an INTJ. Giving people solutions to their problems + not seeing the point in sugar-coating things + making decisions based on logic = T.

On the J/P thing, I saw a discussion about messy Js earlier. They absolutely exist (and I am a prime example of one). You said you never leave things until the last minute and like to have things finished. That's J.

And I'm just assuming you're an INxx because you claim you are, and I have no reason to think you're wrong roud:

 

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That sounds like something I would have said when I actually was trying to comfort someone... yeah, I always screw that up. Better to stick with solutions. INFJ, I think not. You could be an INTJ, but INFPs aren't always in touch with other people's feelings either since their feeling function is introverted.

You might want to try matching type descriptions. I try to boil them down to what vibes they give off, so I can type someone instantly and intuitively.

INFJ- Wise/Mystic/Sage vibe. or at other times, the moral extremist that might even seem like a hypocrite. You can easily see both of these in Jesus.
INTJ- dark intelligent vibe.
INFP- Soul/deep and sensual yet not sexual vibe

 

[Staryu]

@unleashthehounds
Alright, so I spose that leaves out INFP.
Weak Fe..I guess so u_u. Fes are a lot better at dealing with people, if I understand correctly. PLUS they can ‘sense’ someone’s moods..I have NO IDEA how on earth anyone can do that =S
Hmm..good question. I suppose that means I should add INTP to the list..can’t believe I overlooked that earlier. I thought the other descriptions were a better match.
I see.
LOL it’s confusing. But as for the ‘helping people’ thing, it’s more of a self-validation..I feel like I’ve been useful, I don’t always help others just for the sake of making them happy.
My values are DEFINITELY more personal. In fact, some people have called my values absurd. I have to reason out values to see if I agree with them or not. For example, I consider self-centredness a good thing, because I think that one must be true to themselves first. I also don’t believe in acting one way and thinking another to be polite, whereas that’s the “right” way to behave. And I don’t just adopt moral codes either, because there is no such thing as absolute morals.
I see. Well there is the possibility that INTJs like self-expression.. not sure though.

@akaSurreal
i see. thanks for your input.How I or people feel about decisions are kinda secondary for me, and I don't really factor that in very much. If it's the right thing to do, I do it, and I use more impersonal criteria than values-based ones. I mentioned the example about the apartment earlier, but same goes for choosing a school. I'd pick the one with the more developed program and cheaper tuition costs over the one that 'feels right' to me.

@vince9950
I see. I am absolutely sure about the IN part, those descriptions were fairly straightforward, the T/F and J/P parts are confusing though.

 

[Staryu]

That sounds like something I would have said when I actually was trying to comfort someone... yeah, I always screw that up. Better to stick with solutions. INFJ, I think not. You could be an INTJ, but INFPs aren't always in touch with other people's feelings either since their feeling function is introverted.

You might want to try matching type descriptions. I try to boil them down to what vibes they give off, so I can type someone instantly and intuitively.

INFJ- Wise/Mystic/Sage vibe
INTJ- dark intelligent vibe
INFP- Soul/deep and sensual yet not sexual vibe

Good point. I'm definitely not the wise/mystic sage vibe, I've been told I look 'scary' and 'creepy' by people at my university. I don't like this school. Everyone's trying too hard to fit in. Then again, I could be an INFP too =S..because I am a deep person..as for the sensual part, I'm not entirely sure, it's hard to describe oneself in those terms. I mean..I don't know whether I look sexy/give off that vibe or not! LOL.

 

[NeedsNewNameNow]

Weak Fe..I guess so u_u. Fes are a lot better at dealing with people, if I understand correctly. PLUS they can ‘sense’ someone’s moods..I have NO IDEA how on earth anyone can do that =S

Well, not sure about that. INFPs are good a sensing someone's mood, via Ne+Fi. If you try to figure out the feeling functions this way, you will hopelessly confuse yourself (I've tried, LOL) It's really about where your values come from.

My values are DEFINITELY more personal. In fact, some people have called my values absurd. I have to reason out values to see if I agree with them or not. For example, I consider self-centredness a good thing, because I think that one must be true to themselves first. I also don’t believe in acting one way and thinking another to be polite, whereas that’s the “right” way to behave. And I don’t just adopt moral codes either, because there is no such thing as absolute morals.

Ok, this is definite Fi. Take INFJ and INTP off the table.

That means you COULD still be INFP... But I think what you've said about not being able to put yourself in someone's place if you haven't experienced it yourself probably means you use Ni not Ne.

So INTJ then (for now)

 

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Good point. I'm definitely not the wise/mystic sage vibe, I've been told I look 'scary' and 'creepy' by people at my university. I don't like this school. Everyone's trying too hard to fit in. Then again, I could be an INFP too =S..because I am a deep person..as for the sensual part, I'm not entirely sure, it's hard to describe oneself in those terms. I mean..I don't know whether I look sexy/give off that vibe or not! LOL.

It's not about whether you are deep. it's about whether people easily pick that up. From what I've seen of INTJs, they don't put off this vibe. From what I've seen INFPs are completely unaware of the sensual vibes they give off. That's how it avoids being "sexy." (certainly not about how you look though). INFPs are usually really wierd. I could see how someone would see them as creepy, but not scary (unless, they are just paranoid and think every quiet person is secretly a serial killer.)

 

[Staryu]

It's not about whether you are deep. it's about whether people easily pick that up. From what I've seen of INTJs, they don't put off this vibe. From what I've seen INFPs are completely unaware of the sensual vibes they give off. That's how it avoids being "sexy." (certainly not about how you look though). INFPs are usually really wierd. I could see how someone would see them as creepy, but not scary (unless, they are just paranoid and think every quiet person is secretly a serial killer.)

I see. I'm not sure about whether people pick that up =S
And the sensual vibe part..I suppose I'm unaware, that is IF i even give off any sensual vibes XD
LOL @ the statement INFPs are usually really weird[ you spelled 'weird' wrong up there btw]. Everyone says I am, even my good friends XD. And my best friends are 'weird' too, by society's standards. I doubt there is a single person out there who is 'perfectly normal.' & yes, i do tend to do 'weird outlandish things' in front of people =P. Well, I don't see the point in being normal and just like everybody else!

 

[vince9950]

But as for the ‘helping people’ thing, it’s more of a self-validation..I feel like I’ve been useful, I don’t always help others just for the sake of making them happy.
My values are DEFINITELY more personal. In fact, some people have called my values absurd. I have to reason out values to see if I agree with them or not. For example, I consider self-centredness a good thing, because I think that one must be true to themselves first. I also don’t believe in acting one way and thinking another to be polite, whereas that’s the “right” way to behave. And I don’t just adopt moral codes either, because there is no such thing as absolute morals.
How I or people feel about decisions are kinda secondary for me, and I don't really factor that in very much. If it's the right thing to do, I do it, and I use more impersonal criteria than values-based ones. I mentioned the example about the apartment earlier, but same goes for choosing a school. I'd pick the one with the more developed program and cheaper tuition costs over the one that 'feels right' to me.

All of this is VERY T. And Fi. INTJs have Fi and will use it.

On what basis do you think that you are an F? I really can't figure out why you are doubting that you're a T. :mellow:

 

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Well, INTJs are really weird too, so that really gets us nowhere. Perhaps you should try and decide between Ne and Ni? If you seem to have loads of both, that would indicate you were a dominant iNtuitor, thus INTJ.

Have you taken a functional analysis test? http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/assessment/develop_old.html