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Is it possible that the Anima changes?
First of all awesome post @Jawz . Really compelling images.

I personally would think that the anima would change over the course of someone's life -- I would certainly hope through experience we learn to think of women beyond the limitations of our first encounters with them (I would guess that as our encounters with real women develop so would both our conscious and by extension unconscious conceptions change too). I certainly think now that I'm in my thirties I'm less entranced by the wilder women (though I don't think I'm in the goddess stage either). The reason why I said anima is a god send though is just being able to realize the projections and knowing when I see a woman and I'm like "whoa" immediately that it is projection at work. I'm hanging my anima on someone who 'looks the part.' But in fact projection only works on a blank surface and real women are far more dynamic and interesting than I could ever imagine them to be.

Also to me talking about complexes is WAAY more interesting than talking about functions. To me the complexes reveal so much more about a person than Extraverted Feeling or Introverted Intuition. It's the complexes that really get you to do the deep thinking about the forces, internal and external that have shaped a person. Everyone may have the same complexes (ego, shadow, anima/animus, persona, etc) but the form of them is very individual (like the shape of the glass that holds the energy of the archetype fueling the complex is unique to each person and to me this is more interesting since everyone has four functions, I'm more curious as to what the difference is between an amiable ENFP like Seth MacFarlane versus a sorta bratty one like Kanye).
 

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Anyways, coming back to my anima. Is it possible that the Anima changes?
This was kind of my original question. At least of what I read, Jung stated the Anima comes from the collective unconscious, which I don't believe is the entire picture. It may be partially derived from this, but I think it comes from personal experiences and evolutionary factors as well. It's obviously susceptible to trauma, stresses, and on a more positive note - imagination.

My desires have changed over the years. I do know this. It's gone through all the 4 stages as described by Jung, and changed radically after some trauma at a certain point. After that, I spent years trying to "heal" some very damaged women. What I failed to realize until now is that I was healing myself.

So in short, I believe the anima changes, yes.
 

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Wow, really interesting stuff. Thanks to everyone who's responded thus far.

Also to me talking about complexes is WAAY more interesting than talking about functions. To me the complexes reveal so much more about a person than Extraverted Feeling or Introverted Intuition. It's the complexes that really get you to do the deep thinking about the forces, internal and external that have shaped a person. Everyone may have the same complexes (ego, shadow, anima/animus, persona, etc) but the form of them is very individual (like the shape of the glass that holds the energy of the archetype fueling the complex is unique to each person and to me this is more interesting since everyone has four functions, I'm more curious as to what the difference is between an amiable ENFP like Seth MacFarlane versus a sorta bratty one like Kanye).
Haha, this is why I asked you specifically about your experience/knowledge with Anima. ^^ The following post of yours was so pithy, and below are my responses to the parts that relate to me:

Many women out there learn at an early age the power of anima and how to play the role of anima. The problem is they are role playing, catering to someone else's fantasy of who they are not 'being' who they are. Any woman, for example, who feels she needs to fake an orgasm for her lover's ego is playing the role of his anima - becoming more of a fantasy figure for him than expressing herself authentically. Strippers, porn stars, many celebrities and musicians are expert at playing anima/animus figures.
Somehow I've always known this about women who play up their own femininity in the exact way to exploit the most common manifestations of anima in men, i.e., the femme fatale or seductress. I see through it a mile away. It's so interesting to me to see most men fall for this type of woman, yet I'd be a liar if I said I myself didn't find appeal in this image, but I know, as you put it so well, that she's a projection or image, and not a real, whole human being. I wish others realized this as well...

Jung says there are four stages of anima for men:
- the fertile youthful sexual woman (your basic Marilyn Monroe/porn-star image. My friend in the pic is also portraying this).
- the mother (fertile, caretaking woman - no surprise the emphasis in our culture on cougars and MILFs).
- the pure goddess (the virgin mary - Victorianism emphasized the woman as being impossibly pure while at the same time calling any 'earthy' woman a witch)
- the real woman (good and bad parts of her all taken into consideration - Von Franz says 'true love is a commitment to the essence of a person with a grain of salt.')'
This... this part... when I first really got into reading Jung a short time ago, I found his description of complexes/archetypes and read about the Anima, and was very intrigued, but when I read this part about her evolution, I was floored and felt as though it had been written for me.

Apart from the imaginary characters I described in my earlier post, I definitely have experienced my Anima in an exterior, real world setting (outside of fantasy), and without me having known about Jung's theories, she followed this exact evolution described here, all on a subconscious/natural level. I don't really want to get into details here; I just find this fascinating. Jung created theories, but to me, this theory of Anima and her evolution has found tangible expression for me personally, taking this concept from outside its theoretical universe, and seeing it live and breathe in my own life.

This proves to me something I've always kind of known: that each human being is simultaneously both unique and the sum of everyone else who ever existed. Just as we each possess inside us the DNA markers from other species, from the chimpanzee to the viruses, we too each possess the totality of psychic experience. To draw on the DNA analogy further, we are human beings because the expressed genes are mostly those of our closest descendants, those of our parents'. Likewise, you may have blue eyes because your parents both have the genes for that trait expressed, or conversely you may have brown, because a more distant relative has those genes, and the randomness of genetic expression favored dominant brown of that distant relative over the closer recessive traits of your parents' blue. In this way, we can view our first four cognitive functions at different gradations of dominant expression, and the second four as recessive, suppressed, but still part of us and everyone else.

So we each have masculine/feminine, Fe/Fi, Type 1 and Type 5 (etc.) psychic "DNA" within us, but each individual prefers a different order of dominance and they all get expressed at different levels. So it makes perfect sense, as Jung concluded, that men have the psychic material to create or "be" a woman, and the type of woman you imagine as an ideal is quite often the one who holds all of your least expressed psychic material. The same holds true for women and their animus as well.

Lastly, I'd like to say again that I've never been attracted to a woman who represents my anima in real life. Actually... I find it difficult and fleeting to be infatuated with an ideal that is outside myself... that being, I may find a woman physically attractive, and perhaps the exact 'shell' I'd imagine my Anima coming in, but she's just that... a shell... and I've never fallen in love with a woman because of her 'shell.' The women I have fallen in love with really don't embody my anima more than 50%... I have loved them for their own merits, and being something "real" that couldn't be constructed by imagination, because imagination is abstract and idealized. Therefore, for me personally, I believe the Anima is more an alternative expression of self, a way to explore and express some of my other, less dominant--and often aspirational or adversarial--psychic material, than she is my ideal woman.

Thanks again everyone for the contributions :proud:
 

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This is a very old thread but I'll comment anyway.

For the last couple of nights, I am pretty sure I've met my Anima. The first time I saw her I thought she was my ex, but when I think about it I never really saw her face. I've met here two times, and I cant remember getting a detailed picture of her face or body. But I think she was blond. Anyways, it was a really beautiful feeling to meet my anima. To answer your question, yes, it was easy to manifest her.

She had a very introverted style, she did't do anything crazy or anything. We where on the run from society(Into The Wild style). We even walked on railroads together. We where both seeking solitude and she did it all with passion. She made a harmonic atmosphere. She was indeed very disconnected with her environment, but we where both seeking solitude in nature. I remember we sat by a lake, she was talking about hacking, if i remember right she told me she was a hobby-hacker. But after she had told me about this, I pointed at a mountain in the distance, and said: I'll take you all the way to the top. And we both got this good feeling flowing through our body. She was clumsy as well, just like me.

Thats all I got. This might just be a little romantic dream, but it didn't feel like "love", it felt like something I've never experienced before. I have read about this today. And Jung belivede that if you encounter your anima/animos in dreams, you are most likely to have a psychological change or awakening thingy in the near future. Which can be anytime this isnt the ordinary near future.
 

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Marie-Louise von Franz - Anima Women (Marilyn Monroe):

[video=dailymotion;x3hzjyv]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3hzjyv_marie-louise-von-franz-anima-women-marilyn-monroe_lifestyle[/video]

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Marie-Louise von Franz - Anima Women (Marilyn Monroe):

[video=dailymotion;x3hzjyv]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3hzjyv_marie-louise-von-franz-anima-women-marilyn-monroe_lifestyle[/video]

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Well that dosent sound to well, I'm not sure how to interpret this, should I be worried? I might need some more info...
 

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Well it's anima and animus; anima is the female qualities within a male, and the animus is the male qualities within a female.

It was suggested that every good story has character the fulfills the anima and animus role. :D
 

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Yes I know, but if you see the second video you dont get a very good impression of them. I might have missed something tho.
 

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Anima & Animus

C.G. Jung:

'Every man carries within him the eternal image of woman, not the image of this or that particular woman, but a definite feminine image.

This image is fundamentally unconscious, an hereditary factor of primordial origin engraved in the living organic system of the man, an imprint or “archetype” of all the ancestral experiences of the female, a deposit, as it were, of all the impression ever made by woman – in short, an inherited system of psychic adaptation.

Even if no women existed, it would still be possible, at any given time, to deduce from this unconscious image exactly how a woman would have to be constituted psychically.

The same is true of the woman: she too has her inborn image of man.

Actually, we know from experience that it would be more accurate to describe it as an image of men, whereas in the case of the man it is rather the image of woman.

Since this image is unconscious, it is always unconsciously projected upon the person of the beloved, and is one of the chief reasons for passionate attraction or aversion.

I have called this image the “anima,” and I find the scholastic question Habet mulier animam? especially interesting, since in my view it is an intelligent one inasmuch as the doubt seems justified.

Woman has no anima, no soul, but she has an animus.

The anima has an erotic, emotional character, the animus a rationalizing one.

Hence most of what men say about feminine eroticism, and particularly about the emotional life of women, is derived from their own anima projections and distorted accordingly.

On the other hand, the astonishing assumptions and fantasies that women make about men come from the activity of the animus, who produces an inexhaustible supply of illogical arguments and false explanations. '
 
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