[niki]

I think I've just found another quite main/important reason to 'hate' money (btw, the reason why I put quotes in-between the word 'hate', is because I now know that money is basically just a Tool, so it's basically the People who're mostly at faults..but here for the sake of simplicity, I'm just referring to it generally).

And here it is:

The person who works for, and gets the most money,
are often not ones with the "right" or "good" intentions at all to USE the money wisely.

I realize I may sound like generalizing here,
but I've seen from my personal real-life experiences too often things/situations like these:

- Those big CEOs & corporations who don't give a sh*t about multitudes of poors, impoverished, underprivileged people (and nations) out there

to a 'smaller-daily' scale examples like:

- those who spend a LOT of $$$ to a particular country or destination, only to shop- around-till-death, instead of really exploring the country, or interacting with the local people 'warmly', closely

- those who spent a lot of their many playing (no offense here..) golfs, yes..golfs! in a quite expensive golf course/field, etc...while a lot of huge areas are being sort of transformed (and 'wasted'??) into a golf course just for those 'stiff, lack-energy' rich croonies & people to do some supposedly "sport",..while those large fields could actually be transformed into something else for the REAL people to DO something more useful, or 'worth it', whatever.

there are more & more examples like this, but I'm sure you're all here got the gist of it.
so..in conclusion, another reason for me to somewhat 'hate' money can be summed up in another words as this one:
the people who truly 'deserve' it, doesn't get it,
but the people who don't truly 'deserve' it, often are the ones who get it, and a LOT!

One big "irony" of life, don't u think?..

What do you think?
I'm curious about what do you guys think about my another observation here..

 

[niki]

hmm...not a single reply?
or perhaps I've made a 'wrong' topic? O.O;;

 

[rswear]

hmm...not a single reply?
or perhaps I've made a 'wrong' topic? O.O;;

Ok, I’ll bite.. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has given away billions. How can you give what you do not have?

 

[GreenLadyBug]

I hate money and I think if we were really "evolved" we wouldn't need to use it at all. It seems like all it does is cause problems. Sure, it can be used for good (charities and such), but without money there wouldn't even be a hierarchy dividing social classes into rich and poor. So we wouldn't even need charities in the first place. I know that in our society right now, it probably wouldn't work out without money and my thinking is horribly idealistic. I guess my problem's not really with the money after all but with people for needing this system to exist in the first place.

 

[Aurum]

I actually like money. It allows me a great deal of freedom in this world.

 

[Aurum]

I hate money and I think if we were really "evolved" we wouldn't need to use it at all. It seems like all it does is cause problems. Sure, it can be used for good (charities and such), but without money there wouldn't even be a hierarchy dividing social classes into rich and poor. So we wouldn't even need charities in the first place. I know that in our society right now, it probably wouldn't work out without money and my thinking is horribly idealistic. I guess my problem's not really with the money after all but with people for needing this system to exist in the first place.

There will always be classes regardless of money. It will no longer be rich vs. poor, though. It will be the powerful vs. the powerless. I wish this were not the case, and maybe someday we can achieve something better, but I'd rather have money than royalty. At least I can attain wealth in this system, where I'd never be able to attain royalty.

 

[snail]

Ruthlessness is often rewarded here, usually with power and money, so it follows that the people who obtain money by having the qualities that facilitate acquiring it may not be the best to spend it compassionately. I get where you are coming from.

 

[Oh_no_she_DIDNT]

I actually like money. It allows me a great deal of freedom in this world.

Aurum, this reminds me.. every time I look at your avatar my mind goes from thinking that is gold in the picture to chocolate. I think my mind secretly wants it to be chocolate wrapped in a gold paper covering. :kitteh:

 

[rswear]

I hate money and I think if we were really "evolved" we wouldn't need to use it at all. It seems like all it does is cause problems. Sure, it can be used for good (charities and such), but without money there wouldn't even be a hierarchy dividing social classes into rich and poor. So we wouldn't even need charities in the first place. I know that in our society right now, it probably wouldn't work out without money and my thinking is horribly idealistic. I guess my problem's not really with the money after all but with people for needing this system to exist in the first place.

This is similar to the original plan of the American Pilgrims. They would all work together and those who can work more, will work more and we will all share the harvest… they almost all starved… only when the governor assigned decided to assign every family a partial of land did prosperity happen… The problem is lazy people… if everyone worked hard for the sake of working hard it might be a different story. The problem is that is just not human nature, people don’t work if they don’t have to. Not fair to those that do work hard.

and yes, the native Americans were pretty much screwed…

 

[U-80]

You can't expect rich people to give all their money to charity. People get rich so they can broaden their own experiences and get more enjoyment out of life. They push the boundaries of what life has to offer. Someone has to.

 

[GreenLadyBug]

Oh god, please not Fox News. >_< They WOULD have a segment on this...

 

[rswear]

Oh god, please not Fox News. >_< They WOULD have a segment on this...

Snicker snicker… don’t judge…:happy: open your mind....

 

[Aurum]

Aurum, this reminds me.. every time I look at your avatar my mind goes from thinking that is gold in the picture to chocolate. I think my mind secretly wants it to be chocolate wrapped in a gold paper covering. :kitteh:

It very well may be chocolate... it's just a stock photo I found on the intrawebz to go with my name. In fact, let us now pretend that it is indeed chocolate hidden under golden wrappers! Place me on a deserted island and I'd much rather have chocolate than gold! (provided I could find somewhere to put it where it wouldn't melt or be eaten by ants!)

 

[fine]

You have two choices: work with the system or work against it. Wealthy people aren't responsible for those living in poverty. If you want to take the responsibility, feel free to find a high paying job and help take care of them.

 

[Miss Scarlet]

.....

My parents are part of the 1% and they work VERY hard to earn it. I will also probably be a part of the 1% one day and I work my tail off thank you very much! You should consider the fact that not everyone is like that. And even if they were, they're smart enough to get people to do the work so they should still get the money!

Lots of companies donate a TON of money to orgs, every heard of philanthropy?

What if people want to shop till they die (weird way to die but I'm still going to argue it). It's their fraking money. Who are you to dictate what they should do? What if all they want is to shop and not know the country? Honestly who would even care enough to judge someone over something so stupid? I'm with you that people SHOULD get out and meet people and see the sights, but if they don't want to that's on them and it's not a sin.

I think that golf is the weirdest sport EVER, however people have a right to play it.

Do you not have any concept of free will or rights? You don't seem to. Do you care nothing for them?

Take this ex, your parents decide that because you're a hypocrite and all you do is complain about the people who are and I quote "stiff, lack-energy' rich croonies" that because you're wasting your time and not checking your facts not to mention caring nothing for civil liberties, you no longer deserve the right to speak.

Your mouth
Their money

You have rights to say these things (regardless of how misguided they are I do support your right to express these things)
They have a right to play golf (not matter how dumb it is I also support their right to play golf)

Also minority rights have to be protected.

I deserve every penny I fraking make. I will pay my taxes, I fully believe that the rich should pay higher ones. However you can't just take it away from them because you for whatever reason see fit.

 

[Nienna]

The one thing I really hate about money is corruption. It's bad to see how much power it has over so many people.

 

[IcarusDreams]

Being rich is not evil in itself. Greed is the problem ,not the money, although Niki did state as much. I do see wanting to hoard money for its own sake really twisted, and almost sick (I am talking about the genuine misers-being rich doesn't mean you automatically become one.)

I do dislike the all too common rich "elite" criticizing the "poor" because "they didn't work as hard as we did." That's stupid (and very classist/elitist). We are not all meant to be CEOs, and being a CEO is not the meaning of life for most people. Nor is it making gobs of money. Not to mention that MANY, MANY artists (and many other types of workers, that was just an example) in practice MAY work "harder", and they love what they do, even though they well know it won't make them as rich as said CEOs. Is there no place for everybody to find their own niche without being criticized by some people, because they supposedly worked "so hard" to get their fortune? I am not denying they worked hard-I am decrying that they have no right to critique (AT ALL) the ones that make less money as lazy, or to claim "they didn't work as hard as I did." No, there's no justification for such claims, and I challenge ANYBODY to prove to me that the rich must by necessity have worked harder than anybody else.

I agree, there were some generalizations made in the original post. But I know Niki realizes that not everybody is like that. Also, fgolf, shopping is not evil, etc. (Even "poor" me likes to shop-many rich misers don't like to shop, because they don't want to "squander" their money!) Golf just happens to be "related" to some sort of "high class" but it needs not be that way.

Do I hate money? I hate it being used to oppress and/or abuse others. I abhor it being used as a "laziness level" factor (the "rich people must be hard workers; the less rich must not work hard enough" idiocy). I hate hoarding it for its own sake. I utterly despise greed. But earning money is not bad per se; after all, we can bless many a life with our monetary gifts (if we have the means.) Making money your sole goal in life is what, in my view, is highly questionable.

 

[Listener]

niki, the propaganda and brainwashing of the corporate society is so great that even many so called idealists will support the money/market system. For some the lie that the rich earned their wealth, and that poor people are just lazy may never die. Some people are just beyond reaching. Don't let that discourage you. Stand up for what you believe. You don't need to justify or explain yourself. Only a minority of people will ever really understand what you're talking about, but I think a minority, as long as they're committed, is all it takes.

The point about philanthropy is an interesting one. In the early twentieth century the super wealthy were starting to develop a well earned bad reputation. Philanthropy was essentially their PR campaign, their attempt to change their public image. And sadly it has worked. Whatever little good these organizations do is greatly outweighed by the destruction of the system by which they gained their wealth.

And I have to disagree with the idea that money is just a tool that can be used for good or evil and that it's 'greed' that is responsible for the evils of the world. It is the very structure of the system, the rules by which money works guarantees greed.

 

[MrAdder]

I think I've just found another quite main/important reason to 'hate' money (btw, the reason why I put quotes in-between the word 'hate', is because I now know that money is basically just a Tool, so it's basically the People who're mostly at faults..but here for the sake of simplicity, I'm just referring to it generally).

And here it is:

The person who works for, and gets the most money,
are often not ones with the "right" or "good" intentions at all to USE the money wisely.

I realize I may sound like generalizing here,
but I've seen from my personal real-life experiences too often things/situations like these:

- Those big CEOs & corporations who don't give a sh*t about multitudes of poors, impoverished, underprivileged people (and nations) out there

to a 'smaller-daily' scale examples like:

- those who spend a LOT of $$$ to a particular country or destination, only to shop- around-till-death, instead of really exploring the country, or interacting with the local people 'warmly', closely

- those who spent a lot of their many playing (no offense here..) golfs, yes..golfs! in a quite expensive golf course/field, etc...while a lot of huge areas are being sort of transformed (and 'wasted'??) into a golf course just for those 'stiff, lack-energy' rich croonies & people to do some supposedly "sport",..while those large fields could actually be transformed into something else for the REAL people to DO something more useful, or 'worth it', whatever.

there are more & more examples like this, but I'm sure you're all here got the gist of it.
so..in conclusion, another reason for me to somewhat 'hate' money can be summed up in another words as this one:
the people who truly 'deserve' it, doesn't get it,
but the people who don't truly 'deserve' it, often are the ones who get it, and a LOT!

One big "irony" of life, don't u think?..

What do you think?
I'm curious about what do you guys think about my another observation here..

Money is just a receipt of products produced. Would you rather like to walk around trading your hens and chickens for potatoes? Personally i do not have such a big wallet and prefer bills... or actually I prefer visa or master cards.

And by the way... money is socialised in the world. In the US, the state (Fed) is in charge of money through interests. That is what created this financial crisis. Not Wall Street. Wall Street is as natural as a rabbit in the forest. It just follows the laws of economics. Feb distorted these laws and nature adjusted. Woops... crisis.

 

[MrAdder]

I will pay my taxes, I fully believe that the rich should pay higher ones.

Socialist.

"Get the Hell out of my way". John Galt (Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged)