Any ISTP dislike engineering?
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Lucky you. I'm finishing my degree in Aerospace Engineering and I don't even know how how the engines work. Imagine my interest on the field...I work in an engineering field, Broadcast Television specifically.
So I guess I tolerate engineering enough to do it for a living?
This may be more an indictment on the state of higher education and the popular teaching methods used versus the type of teaching methods that work best for an ISTP.
I'm actually a college drop out myself. I then went and self-taught myself a whole bunch of different things. Because, surprise, I'm better at teaching myself in a more hands-on manner at my own pace then some bank account draining rote memorization institute is.
No way. It's abundantly obvious the bias toward Ti in higher education. Don't even play that card. It's not on your side this time.
ESPECIALLY in engineering fields.
Your trouble probably stemmed from the huge intuitive bias in higher education, not the non-existent Te bias.
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Yes. I considered it heavily before but i don't really want anything to do with engineering.
that said i still heavily enjoy the subject of physics and how it operates in the real world. I love engineering as a hobby, but as a profession all the stuff that i hate becomes more relevant.
I also remember looking up some engineering videos, about higher education and what the jobs are like specifically.
The videos were always by some young guy who was nerdy as fuck and just cringed me the hell out with his lame humor... kind put me off for good when i realised that a lot of people who work in that field and take the course are probably like him.
can't be dealing with that.
that said i still heavily enjoy the subject of physics and how it operates in the real world. I love engineering as a hobby, but as a profession all the stuff that i hate becomes more relevant.
I also remember looking up some engineering videos, about higher education and what the jobs are like specifically.
The videos were always by some young guy who was nerdy as fuck and just cringed me the hell out with his lame humor... kind put me off for good when i realised that a lot of people who work in that field and take the course are probably like him.
can't be dealing with that.
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I like engineering, if I get to build the things I engineer.
Maybe for Masters or PhD, but if we're talking about undergrad stuff it's all painfully Te focused.
As an example I would like to present Thermodynamics, with those god awful, idiotic, unless, impossible to read, highly restricting, and most of all stupid steam tables.
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I think it's not really about whether education is Ti biased or not (Nor did he mention Te bias at all). The main point is that most ISTP's find the undergrad engineering experience to be difficult, and not in a "hard to understand" sense, but more of a "why am I here" sense.
I did my engineering undergrad at a very practical school, where we worked 6 months out of the year at an engineering company, and that knowledge as to practical application was enough to drive me through the coursework and provide enough context that it didn't all seem pointless.
It's nearly impossible for anyone to learn anything without being able to fit it into their pre-existing mental framework. Otherwise, it's just rote memorization. For an ISTP, the mental framework is generally, "What can I do with this knowledge", and most undergrad programs are absolutely terrible at first explaining the end application of the subject, and then going over the details.
For me, I worked for about a year at a contract engineering company and then went off to grad school to get my PhD. Having had this practical engineering experience was vital to my success and drive to get through grad school and take from it what I needed.
I think this could be a Te vs Ti difference.
At first I was tempted to say it was an S vs N difference. And maybe it still is to some extent.
But I think it's more Te vs Ti.
For instance, the information you consider useless--that just doesn't make sense to me. Because anything you learn in class has the obvious use of scoring you an A on the test.
But maybe Ti doesn't see that so readily? Just speculating. You can tell me if I'm wrong.
Maybe Ti/Se not only doesn't see it so readily, but also doesn't see why it should care about an A. Because an A is just an A. What good is that?
But Ni/Te not only sees it readily, but also sees that the A is so much more than just an A. And to Ni/Te, it's a no-brainer what use an A has.
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I'm pretty sure it's the S vs N difference, and my S vs N split isn't very high, which is why school was easier for me than many ISTP's.
Personally, I just considered the whole grade system to be a game, so yeah, I learned useless information to play the game, but mostly I just gamed the system by evaluating my classmates and what the professor was saying to figure out how difficult the tests were going to be and what to study.
I think most ISTP's think getting grades for the sake of grades to be pointless. It's buying into someone else's system to get what you want, and that's not really ISTP behavior. So yeah, you're probably right in that Ti/Se says, "why should I care about an A?"
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My ENFJ sister has been in school forever for drafting and architecture.
Funniest thing ever was when we were reassembling a wall at my exes way back when those two intuitives debated heavily for quite a while on how many people it takes to screw in a lightbulb (lol and this is her major she was over thinking the drafting) I was like omg I am going to blow my head off waiting for you two bozos to get from A just to B here give me the fucking saw. Theres something to be said with being able to see whats right in front of you too sometimes and not having to overthink things.
Funniest thing ever was when we were reassembling a wall at my exes way back when those two intuitives debated heavily for quite a while on how many people it takes to screw in a lightbulb (lol and this is her major she was over thinking the drafting) I was like omg I am going to blow my head off waiting for you two bozos to get from A just to B here give me the fucking saw. Theres something to be said with being able to see whats right in front of you too sometimes and not having to overthink things.
I took a bit of electrical engineering and I didn't really like it that much. It was too boring most of the time.
I am now in Environmental Engineering and I like it a lot more but there are still some issues with it. There is a lot of sitting around calculating things and discussing problems.
I think that the N students tend to do better on the theory and calculations while the S students do well in labs and field work. There is a lot of overlap too, they are not only good at one or the other.
I think the majority of the things that I have learned could have been taught to me in 5 minutes on the job so I am not sure what the point of school is.
Grades are meaningless once you get a job and I think that is how it should be because there is a lot of bias in grading and it does not necessarily reflect a person's ability. If a student getting government assistance sits around studying 24/7 and gets an A while another works part time to pay for school and gets a B, who is more intelligent or qualified?
Teachers have biases in their grading. If you seem intelligent they barely look at your work, they just give you an A and hand it back. If you are stupid, they bend over backwards to give you marks for getting the right idea. If teachers like you they give exceptions or extensions which impact grades. Its all really unfair and doesn't benefit those students in the long run.
I am now in Environmental Engineering and I like it a lot more but there are still some issues with it. There is a lot of sitting around calculating things and discussing problems.
I think that the N students tend to do better on the theory and calculations while the S students do well in labs and field work. There is a lot of overlap too, they are not only good at one or the other.
I think the majority of the things that I have learned could have been taught to me in 5 minutes on the job so I am not sure what the point of school is.
Grades are meaningless once you get a job and I think that is how it should be because there is a lot of bias in grading and it does not necessarily reflect a person's ability. If a student getting government assistance sits around studying 24/7 and gets an A while another works part time to pay for school and gets a B, who is more intelligent or qualified?
Teachers have biases in their grading. If you seem intelligent they barely look at your work, they just give you an A and hand it back. If you are stupid, they bend over backwards to give you marks for getting the right idea. If teachers like you they give exceptions or extensions which impact grades. Its all really unfair and doesn't benefit those students in the long run.
I agree. I think Engineering is a valuable field, but I'm much more of a "Let's do this" type person.
Too much planning interferes with my need to live in the moment, and therefore becomes insubstantial to me.
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I don't mind academia if it's a subject I happen to enjoy. However, engineering doesn't appeal to me all that much. I'm perfectly fine with utilizing my Ti+Se in the creative/visual arts. There's always something new to do and even if there are aspects about it that I do not care for, I'm content.
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Here's the deal. I want to skip the boring part and cut to the chase. I want to learn in the field, learn those stuff that is commonly applied for. Spare me the jargon. If that's the case then I like engineering...then I might like any field. The whole academic formality and the archaic institutional tradition eats me away. I have a tendency to approach learning top-down rather than bottom-up, which is usually the case.
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