[Despotic Nepotist]

I'm not sure an eight would ever be passive aggressive. I have a hard time hiding my anger (ok it isn't possible to hide it).

It depends for me. When I was much younger, I had a bit of a nasty temper. I think over time I've learned to control it, but when something ticks me off, I go into full-blown rage mode.

 

[Nobleheart]

I've been studying the Enneagram a bit more as I am fairly new to it.

This might help you decide upon your type.

Naranjo: Character and Neurosis.

Since you seem to be seeking some external clarification, your explanations seem more like 5 with the influence of 3's id based drives than 8. Add in sx subtype, and you've got a cocktail for behaviors that may, at times, seem 8-like. However, Enneagram isn't based on qualifying behaviors being exhibited. It is based on core motivations. For 8's, that core motivation is the need to not be vulnerable. Ever. All of the extension motivations serve that end and are derived from it.

It is similar to 5's core motivation which is fear of the unknown, and thus avoid being a victim of the unknown, which can cause some confusion.

Your sig implies 539 sx. 359 Tritype

Enneagram: 9w8 - 5w6 - 3w4 sx/sp (Rearrange this, and you have 539.)

Self-confidence is knowing you're right. (Strongly implies 5's need to avoid being a victim of the unknown by being certain.)

Arrogance is thinking that being right makes you superior. (Implies 3's need to be admired but 9's need to harmonize.)

(The assertion in these statements implies an sx push.)

RCOE|I| (INTJs are most often 5's)

Lastly, I'm awarding you Necromancer of the Month for reactivating this thread, seeing as you're not an NF (Idealist). However, it was nice to revisit a moment when I thought I was a core 8, rather than a fix. Enneagram certainly has a learning curve.

 

[Kintsugi]

I'm not invincible

I'm painfully aware of every doubt.

Like a razor sharp, paper-cut. Each edge penetrates each exposed edge. Even from where you stand. I know how it looks.

Does it not fucking piss you off?

To realise..

That none of this...means nothing....

 

[Despotic Nepotist]

This might help you decide upon your type.

Naranjo: Character and Neurosis.

Since you seem to be seeking some external clarification, your explanations seem more like 5 with the influence of 3's id based drives than 8. Add in sx subtype, and you've got a cocktail for behaviors that may, at times, seem 8-like. However, Enneagram isn't based on qualifying behaviors being exhibited. It is based on core motivations. For 8's, that core motivation is the need to not be vulnerable. Ever. All of the extension motivations serve that end and are derived from it.

It is similar to 5's core motivation which is fear of the unknown, and thus avoid being a victim of the unknown, which can cause some confusion.

Your sig implies 539 sx. 359 Tritype

Enneagram: 9w8 - 5w6 - 3w4 sx/sp (Rearrange this, and you have 539.)

Self-confidence is knowing you're right. (Strongly implies 5's need to avoid being a victim of the unknown by being certain.)

Arrogance is thinking that being right makes you superior. (Implies 3's need to be admired but 9's need to harmonize.)

(The assertion in these statements implies an sx push.)

RCOE|I| (INTJs are most often 5's)

Lastly, I'm awarding you Necromancer of the Month for reactivating this thread, seeing as you're not an NF (Idealist). However, it was nice to revisit a moment when I thought I was a core 8, rather than a fix. Enneagram certainly has a learning curve.

Well, thanks. This is what my tritype is for the time being. If I can go for long without doubting it, then I will call this my tritype. But I really appreciate your help, O you with a Noble Heart. :laughing:

As for the tritype, I'm still working out the order as well.

Another thing that clarifies it for me is that Type Fives, in their growth state, become assertive like Type Eights.

 

[Entropic]

Fuck behavior man. Fuck aggression, assertiveness etc. It's about the motivations. Do you relate more to avarice, sloth or lust? Study that. That's all that matters. When you figure that out everything else is going to fall into place too.