Are All of You This Crazy?

Let me say first that i was raised by an INFJ and an INTJ, so i'm not exactly your "typical" ISTP (if you really beleive that typical is a word that could posibly be used to describe us. ^.~ ) This is to the point where i constantly second guess my type untill i realise that nothing else seems to be anywhere near as close.

Tammy said:

Have an ISTP friend I've known for five years, and I've learned a couple very basic, important things about him:

1.) He is of simple wants and desires.

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Simplicity is great. It's not a hard rule, but it's great. The simpler, the better, the more reliable, less likely to break, and more realistic it is.

Tammy said:

2.) He cannot be trusted. No matter how pure he WANTS his intentions to be, they are never pure. It is ridiculous how deceitful and manipulative he will be to have his cake and eat it too. When all he has to do is just tell me the truth and I'll accept it, like I've accepted and dealt with his tricky, dirty ways of getting what he wants.

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I'm the kind of person where, if i tell you i'm going to be there to help you, hell or highwater, i'll be there. I'm also ussualy rather straitforward... Now that's differant than tact... I can be
nice and straitforward, but i'm not going to do things the long way when i can do them the easy way.

Tammy said:

3.) When he is uncomfortable talking about something that is happening, he simply pretends it never happened! And hurts people's feelings by doing so. And could really just care less.

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Not sure what to say here. I'd guess this varies greatly from person to person... I've known a few ISTPs who will try to avoid hard conversations... Personaly my Fe often kicks in and informs me that the conflict will be over sooner if i face it head on and do it right.

Tammy said:

4.) He never knows what he wants. I've come to learn that when he wants something, he wants it THEN. Not later, not yesterday, THEN. The only way to deal with him is to take him day by day.

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I almost always know what i want. If there's something i really, really want... I wont be able to get it off my mind... And almost my thoughts will start drifting towards how to get it. This can be extreemly annoying for the long term things, and is part of why i'm so impatient... because when i want something badly enough, My thoughts are bent on it so constantly it's like nails on chalkboard untill it happens.

Again, this is for things i want BADLY.

Tammy said:

5.) He describes himself as having periods of 'moodiness'. I think these 'moods' come from holding all of his feelings in and neglecting them rather than dealing with them. He pretty much goes from the most calm, collective person I've ever known, to the most vulnerable piece of mush!

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Really? Fi is our last function... It's not a matter of, "holding it in," we just don't go there... When we eventualy do, we just realise all the things we've been putting off thinking about.

But mental breakdowns as a common occurance... Not unless there was VERY good cause, high stress, bad family situation, and high amounts of lonelyness all at once...

You can't really put it in terms of, "neglecting our emotions." It's hard to explain because it's hard to relate to the alternative... We just don't work that way.. Just ussualy a little more focused on the imediate and what's important to think about how it makes us feel.

In other words, if someone we love pulls a knife on us and starts walking at us in a threatening way, we're more likely to think, "Okay, The weakspots are at the kneecaps and his arms are shorter than mine, i need to..." rather than, "How could he do this?! I thought this person was my friend. :crying:."

MORE IMPORTANT THINGS AND GETTING STABBED SUCKS.

Tammy said:

Now tell me, is this typical behavior for an ISTP?!

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Typical? Couldn't tell you, i wouldn't know. but you seem kind of mad at him, what specificly happend?

madhatter said:

I don't quite understand the question. What do you mean by "settings"?

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I had trouble with that at first, too. "What...like settings on a toaster?" :crazy:

I'm pretty sure she means scenic and/or romantic settings.

To that, yeah being out in nature makes me feel at peace. Being out in the water (lake, river, etc.) makes me feel recharged. A nice dimly lit room might make me feel like things are about to get really fun. Or, I can be in a grumpy mood and not give a shit about any of it. :laughing:

Tammy said:

Like how some people feel more comfortable in larger or smaller spaces, or how some people feel more comfortable in clean areas rather than messy ones. How an outside setting may make someone happier than an indoor one...etc.

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ThoughtProcess said:

I had trouble with that at first, too. "What...like settings on a toaster?" :crazy:

I'm pretty sure she means scenic and/or romantic settings.

To that, yeah being out in nature makes me feel at peace. Being out in the water (lake, river, etc.) makes me feel recharged. A nice dimly lit room might make me feel like things are about to get really fun. Or, I can be in a grumpy mood and not give a shit about any of it. :laughing:

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AEIOU said:

Location, place, site, venue.

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Oh, I see! Thank you for clarifying. It didn't help that it was 3 in the morning either.

In answer to your query, Tammy: I never thought about it before, but factors like these definitely can affect my mood.

These moods are connected to my senses. I tend to be a little claustrophobic; not panic attacks, but I do not like enclosed spaces. When there is too many people, it's an overload. My space is being invaded, I have to worry about bumping into people, because I'll have to interact if I do. Dim lights and overwhelming smells usually give me a headache, and I don't just get headaches, I get migraines. Or when I'm down at my university, and the classroom has no windows (so it feels like a prison), and it's so freaking hot, because the thermostat is broken and no one has bothered to turn the heat down since the winter.

Or like ThoughtProcess said, I go out into nature with plenty of open space, the smells and sounds and light and the breeze on the skin are all pleasant and it puts me at ease. Familiar settings, like grandma's house, are comforting.

madhatter said:

Oh, I see! Thank you for clarifying. It didn't help that it was 3 in the morning either.

In answer to your query, Tammy: I never thought about it before, but factors like these definitely can affect my mood.

These moods are connected to my senses. I tend to be a little claustrophobic; not panic attacks, but I do not like enclosed spaces. When there is too many people, it's an overload. My space is being invaded, I have to worry about bumping into people, because I'll have to interact if I do. Dim lights and overwhelming smells usually give me a headache, and I don't just get headaches, I get migraines. Or when I'm down at my university, and the classroom has no windows (so it feels like a prison), and it's so freaking hot, because the thermostat is broken and no one has bothered to turn the heat down since the winter.

Or like ThoughtProcess said, I go out into nature with plenty of open space, the smells and sounds and light and the breeze on the skin are all pleasant and it puts me at ease. Familiar settings, like grandma's house, are comforting.

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Too many people around me talking about kids and recipes and wallpapers and other unimaginative and boring things make me stressed. Watching stupid-humor like Stan & Laurel, Itchy & Scratchy (or pretty much any (USofAmerican?) show / movie today), where the main character is an idiot at whom everyone is welcomed to laugh, makes me embarrassed. Too dim lights make me sleepy.

I think I am supposed to like physical activities; gotta check that one out again.

Seralya said:

Too many people around me talking about kids and recipes and wallpapers and other unimaginative and boring things make me stressed.

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Doesn't just fill you with this irrepressible urge to run as far and as fast as you can? I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Seralya said:

Watching stupid-humor like Stan & Laurel, Itchy & Scratchy (or pretty much any (USofAmerican?) show / movie today), where the main character is an idiot at whom everyone is welcomed to laugh, makes me embarrassed.

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I'm not ashamed to say that I am also embarrassed at this facet of my culture.

Capsicum said:

@ madhatter and Seralya:

Regards what you're saying about kids (and recipes and wallpapers), as an ISTP male I don't have to have many of those conversations, but women are "supposed" to like them... so how do you deal with it? Smile politely and nod? Or something else?

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Smile politely and nod, and completely zone out. And at the first possible moment, find an opportunity to slip away to the guys' group.

1.) He is of simple wants and desires.

-Not at all, but I try to keep it simple to be realistic.

2.) He cannot be trusted. No matter how pure he WANTS his intentions to be, they are never pure. It is ridiculous how deceitful and manipulative he will be to have his cake and eat it too. When all he has to do is just tell me the truth and I'll accept it, like I've accepted and dealt with his tricky, dirty ways of getting what he wants.

-Nope. Not conciously anyway. :/ One could indeed not know what one really wants, and appearently use tricky ways to get it. Maybe just not know how to get it ?

3.) When he is uncomfortable talking about something that is happening, he simply pretends it never happened! And hurts people's feelings by doing so. And could really just care less.

-Well, there might be some things I rather keep hidden in the drawer.
On the other hand I just see a difference of opinion here: one wants to talk about something, the other doesn't think it is necessary to talk about it. Could it not hurt his feelings to talk about it ?

4.) He never knows what he wants. I've come to learn that when he wants something, he wants it THEN. Not later, not yesterday, THEN. The only way to deal with him is to take him day by day.

-choosing can be a difficult task, unless for simple things like what's for dinner. If I'm very hungry I want to eat NOW, otherwise I don't even have a problem by not getting what I want at all.

5.) He describes himself as having periods of 'moodiness'. I think these 'moods' come from holding all of his feelings in and neglecting them rather than dealing with them. He pretty much goes from the most calm, collective person I've ever known, to the most vulnerable piece of mush!

-It's not easy to find a balance. But indeed, if you always try to be strong, you'll collide sooner or later.

I remember having temper tantrums when I was a teenager. I didn't eat during the school day, so I was pretty irritable at the end of it and then people used to boss me around at home.... bad combination. Or maybe I was just being a bratty teenager, heheh. I'm generally a placid person, but if I start to neglect my physical health for a while like I don't sleep much, I eat too much crap stuff, I don't exercise, I can get quite shitty.

1.) He is of simple wants and desires.

Yeah. I can get that. Simple and sweet.

2.) He cannot be trusted. No matter how pure he WANTS his intentions to be, they are never pure. It is ridiculous how deceitful and manipulative he will be to have his cake and eat it too. When all he has to do is just tell me the truth and I'll accept it, like I've accepted and dealt with his tricky, dirty ways of getting what he wants.

Kind of. One one hand, I'm way too lazy to pull out any elaborate crap just to prove my intentions are good but if all I have to so is say so, sure, whatever, if it gets the job done.

3.) When he is uncomfortable talking about something that is happening, he simply pretends it never happened! And hurts people's feelings by doing so. And could really just care less.

That's not an 'ISTP' thing or 'PERSONALITY' thing. It's a disorder. Or idk, something like 'forgetting with a premise.' Or if he isn't actually forgetting and is really pretending, then he needs a big ol' hug. And maybe a therapist. Same thing.

4.) He never knows what he wants. I've come to learn that when he wants something, he wants it THEN. Not later, not yesterday, THEN. The only way to deal with him is to take him day by day.

Yes. I can agree. This is also bratty behavior.

5.) He describes himself as having periods of 'moodiness'. I think these 'moods' come from holding all of his feelings in and neglecting them rather than dealing with them. He pretty much goes from the most calm, collective person I've ever known, to the most vulnerable piece of mush!
That.

Is nice. No but really, there's another...disorder of some sort. Like that. Eh.