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I am curious, is there any other INFP who's passionate about politics on both personal and social level?

I often think about how civilizations (in an increasingly globalized world) can improve themselves when they apply the concept of 'moderation' more often.

At the same time, I am aware of how tricky and overly idealistic that sounds on my part. ''One person's moderate is another person's extreme''. Thus, that subject needs further extensive exploration and possibly years of work before getting to any real academic or practical establishment.
 

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I think it is one of the most important things to understand. That's why I get so vexed when people complain "Oh, politics are boring, i don't care about them, blah blah blah". These are mostly the same people that complain about about the current state of our country and vote for people because the person " sounded like a nice guy" :frustrating:

Anyway, I think moderation is great. I personally align myself as a Libertarian.I think there should be a lot less government. Live a let live.
 

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I came to the conclusion that I'm not going to strive to help change politics in an involved level on more than just voting because I'd feel like I'm talking to a stone wall, like the people in power are as adamant with their listening skills as state grant agencies are with their appeal processing times during fall semester with high call volume. Anyway, I find that being involved in my life and dealing with constant changes with the things I bring and uphold negates political influence, unless the law gets involved.

If someone gave pure facts about the situation, instead of inserting discretionary bias (News stations on TV, big brother, government delegates standing for pure political change instead of a goal...), I'll come to a decision (eventually) completely my own. Whatever's coming, the US is starting to represent a sinking ship. That is all.

Oh, yeah..To answer your question, indirectly, yes.
 
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I think it is one of the most important things to understand. That's why I get so vexed when people complain "Oh, politics are boring, i don't care about them, blah blah blah". These are mostly the same people that complain about about the current state of our country and vote for people because the person " sounded like a nice guy" :frustrating:

Anyway, I think moderation is great. I personally align myself as a Libertarian.I think there should be a lot less government. Live a let live.
One of my dreams is to introduce some socio political changes to the world someday even at a micro level.

Possibly introducing a new definition of moderation, but in the 'moderation' itself, it's really that I wish for people of many civilizations to be more moderate when it comes to receiving global flows of information and adapting to global changes. This is so that more forms of misinformations, bigotry, extremism and discriminations can be decreased.

I know it sounds very vague and I know I have a completely long way to go before formulating even a bit of a practical plan, but hey I can't help it. I'm an idealist.
 

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One of my dreams is to introduce some socio political changes to the world someday even at a micro level.

Possibly introducing a new definition of moderation, but in the 'moderation' itself, it's really that I wish for people of many civilizations to be more moderate when it comes to receiving global flows of information and adapting to global changes. This is so that more forms of misinformations, bigotry, extremism and discriminations can be decreased.

I know it sounds very vague and I know I have a completely long way to go before formulating even a bit of a practical plan, but hey I can't help it. I'm an idealist.
That's I think why I like libertarianism so much. It is a nice happy medium between liberal and conservative. You have all the civil rights that the liberals stress, but there isn't that socialist nanny state that goes along with it. And it also covers gun control and a lot of other things in a pretty reasonable manner. And personal responsibility, I think that is a huge one. Instead of living off a welfare state and having people take advantage of that.
 

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I used to be, but I'm pretty lax about it now.

Anyone that preaches any type of system in specific I usually dismiss. People always talk about the good things of ________ country or ________ belief. Often it's something that's not currently in place where they live. So in essence, it's like admiring an attractive person of the same sex that passes by and saying "I want to be like that," but not having an actual grasp of what it would be like. Long story short, pipe dreams.

The people that often argue are incapable of conceptualizing that you can't invest too heavily in anything without taking away from another.

It's like if I gave you 10 total points to invest and you have X options. So spread those points based on importance.

ie:
Health Care 3
Education 4
Agriculture 3

The wanna-be politicians that act like know it alls, would do it like this

Health Care 10
Education 10
Agriculture 9.5

What!? Lol, in the end it's just frustrating and the ones that act the smartest are usually the most ignorant.
 
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yes.

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and i'm stopping myself there before i start ranting.
 
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I used to be, but I'm pretty lax about it now.

Anyone that preaches any type of system in specific I usually dismiss. People always talk about the good things of ________ country or ________ belief. Often it's something that's not currently in place where they live. So in essence, it's like admiring an attractive person of the same sex pass by and saying "I want to be like that," but not having an actual grasp of what it would be like. Long story short, pipe dreams.

The people that often argue are incapable of conceptualizing that you can't invest too heavily in anything without taking away from another.

It's like if I gave you 10 total points to invest and you have X options. So spread those points based on importance.

ie:
Health Care 3
Education 4
Agriculture 3

The wanna-be politicians that act like know it alls, would do it like this

Health Care 10
Education 10
Agriculture 9.5

What!? Lol, in the end it's just frustrating and the ones that act the smartest are usually the most ignorant.
Exactly. My question is, why is the government even involved in these things? Let the individuals take care of themselves. the Government has already proved incompetent in education. Look at no child left behind. It has made things worse. the government needs to take it's hand out of the proverbial cookie jar. When our system was made is wasn't meant to be an end all for everything.
 

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Ron Paul baby! Never wanted to listen to any of it until he showed up, only honest guy in the whole scene, and he's usually trying to tell us bad news. People are never going to vote him into office but I just love having someone break the dialectic with some sanity and truth! He is actually trying to end the fed! What a nutball! 'They' will never let someone like him be in power.
 

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That's I think why I like libertarianism so much. It is a nice happy medium between liberal and conservative. You have all the civil rights that the liberals stress, but there isn't that socialist nanny state that goes along with it. And it also covers gun control and a lot of other things in a pretty reasonable manner. And personal responsibility, I think that is a huge one. Instead of living off a welfare state and having people take advantage of that.
I agree, I like libertarianism and generally take a very libertarian point of view on everything, even at times straying into slight conservatism, though there's that joke that we libertarians are really closet conservatives (which is untrue) :bored:. People should take responsibility; you can do mostly anything you want in life yourself. I'm also really into as much freedom as possible for people to make their own choices, as that proves one's intelligence. I actually get kind of extreme with the "as much freedom as possible" and "anti-government" stuff, that I might turn into an anarchist one day and say to privatize everything. In AP Gov't and Politics in my junior year, we had to chart where we were on the political spectrum (the four-square chart), and I was the most extreme libertarian. Felt proud :crazy:. I also might come off as cold, but libertarianism is definitely the politically philosophy for me :happy:.

I used to be very liberal when I was younger (12-15) and strongly rooted for John Kerry to win during the 2004 election; was crushed when he lost and my dad was an ass to me about it :crazy:. This changed as I matured. I would actually debate my parents about things just for fun, or just to play devil's advocate, but meh. I didn't actually believe in what I argued for, it was just to argue.

Extremism in the left to right spectrum, though, is bad. My parents are both pretty extreme conservatives and refuse to debate me whenever I offer or challenge them just to have a debate. Instead, they say it's pointless and go on without trying to change my opinion or justifying their opinions. They are somewhat moronic as they don't think for themselves in that respect, only go along with Fox News, the Tea Partiers, etc. just because they are on their side, even when the argument is ridiculous or irrelevant and reaches outside of the actual issue, like they try to detract from Obama because he was born in Kenya supposedly, not because of his policies. Who cares. I don't like the guy, but I said I'd give him a chance when he was just elected. They just jumped on him for things that were irrelevant. They can't think for themselves at all. It's pretty disheartening.
 

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people arent making it very easy for me to keep shut up. i really dont want to start ranting : (

*sigh* i have to reply to this, though...


I actually get kind of extreme with the "as much freedom as possible" and "anti-government" stuff, that I might turn into an anarchist one day and say to privatize everything.
Anarchism is a form of socialism, and is thusly anti-capitalist. Anarchists dont want to "privatize" anything, and, although they have an opposition to the state, are horrified at the elimination of the many beneficial social programs which currently led by the state (we desire them to be replaced with something rather different, but *privatising* is an idea which gives us nightmares - to put everything in the hands of corporations, which are virtually mini-states which lack even the PRETENSE of democracy! have none of you ever worked for a company before??? )

... fuck! i started ranting in the end...
 
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people arent making it very easy for me to keep shut up. i really dont want to start ranting : (

*sigh* i have to reply to this, though...




Anarchism is a form of socialism, and is thusly anti-capitalist. Anarchists dont want to "privatize" anything, and, although they have an opposition to the state, are horrified at the elimination of the many beneficial social programs which currently led by the state (we desire them to be replaced with something rather different, but *privatising* is an idea which gives us nightmares - to put everything in the hands of corporations, which are virtually mini-states which lack even the PRETENSE of democracy! have none of you ever worked for a company before??? )

... fuck! i started ranting in the end...
Oh, sorry, I must've confused it with something else. I'm actually pretty interested in the definition of anarchism, and no one has really been able to explain it to me. I'm not sure what I was thinking of, then :blushed:. Care to enlighten?
 

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i am very political.i am on the extreme left which makes it hard but i still am not cyninical or nothing!
 
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