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I'm convinced that it's actually womanly to have a curve due to the stomach sticking out, like Titian's Venus of Urbino. Most women, it seems, have a bit of fat around the lower belly because of the need to protect both internal organs and the uterus, yet the cultural standard is such that even a small amount there causes mass hysteria among today's women, and many of healthy weight and great physique are distressed about that bit of fat protecting the womb and can't bear to wear bikinis because of this.

This cultural phenomenon really intrigues me- it always seems to me that Venus's soft feminine curves are ten times more erotic than a hard washboard on a woman, but is this really what most men are attracted to? As a woman (a 2 on the Kinsey Scale, so not entirely straight), I find the original paintings in this collection are much more sensual than their derivatives.

I just want some male opinions on this.
 

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I have in the past gotten many male opinions on this, and they just differ. What they like ranges from really flat stomachs, to soft ones, hard, or even really poochy.. some guys like bbws. (sry -- I know I'm not a guy, just offering my own findings: )
 

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I find muscles on a girl extremely attractive, as long as it doesn't make them start looking masculine. I slightly defined six-pack is sexy as hell in my opinion. But I'm way more concerned about their intelligence than their body.
 

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hmm in the link you provided i'd say the majority looked better before the alterations.

I rather enjoy a little bit of belly on a woman, i'd say on 7 out 10 women it's preferable, i like lots of lines and curves going everywhich way. On a side not i think in general thin women look better with clothes on, and not so thin ones look better naked, i think because fashion caters more toward thin people
 

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I have in the past gotten many male opinions on this, and they just differ. What they like ranges from really flat stomachs, to soft ones, hard, or even really poochy.. some guys like bbws. (sry -- I know I'm not a guy, just offering my own findings: )
Lol. I'm aware of the diversity in opinions- I've been browsing a couple of fora lately (dealing with attraction) and it really blows my mind, and comforts me at the same time, that there is somebody for everybody. It's just that with the media honking about perfectly flat abs and everyone clamoring to lose those 5 pounds of fat and wanting their BMI to be less than 18.5, I can't really tell to what extent this really reflects reality (Just like the "average" American family. What does it actually look like? Depictions on TV? Who knows? I'm disoriented by all this media!) Do most men, assuming we can remove the influence of media, like washboard abs?

I'm actually a girl with flat abs who's looking to gain some, and every time I search for how best to gain weight (there are good... and bad ways), Google search gives me hundreds of links to how to lose instead. Google has been a wonderful tool, and it's the first time it has failed me so miserably and gave me the opposite of what I'd searched for. Just goes to show the kind of thick "flat abs" atmosphere that's been pervading our society.
 

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Lol. I'm aware of the diversity in opinions- I've been browsing a couple of fora lately (dealing with attraction) and it really blows my mind, and comforts me at the same time, that there is somebody for everybody. It's just that with the media honking about perfectly flat abs and everyone clamoring to lose those 5 pounds of fat and wanting their BMI to be less than 18.5, I can't really tell to what extent this really reflects reality (Just like the "average" American family. What does it actually look like? Depictions on TV? Who knows? I'm disoriented by all this media!)

I'm actually a girl with flat abs who's looking to gain some, and every time I search for how best to gain weight (there are good... and bad ways), Google search gives me hundreds of links to how to lose belly instead. Google has been a wonderful tool, and it's the first time it has failed me so miserably and gave me the opposite of what I'd searched for. Just goes to show the kind of thick "flat abs" atmosphere that's been pervading our society.
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As long as a woman doesn't look like they've been hitting steroids or is extremely muscular, I don't think most men care to much. It doesnt matter to me that much, I'm a sucker for a pretty face more than anything.
 

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For me proportion matters most in what I am happy with. I really don't like the idea of say, my belly coming out further than my boobs for instance. A little belly isn't a bad thing though, I would just prefer to have the curves of abdominal muscles along with a little cushioning. When I'm like that is I'm truly happy with how it looks on top of the feeling that goes with feeling fit.

As long as a woman doesn't look like they've been hitting steroids or is extremely muscular, I don't think most men care to much. It doesnt matter to me that much, I'm a sucker for a pretty face more than anything.
That or praying to the porcelain god.
 
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For me proportion matters most in what I am happy with. I really don't like the idea of say, my belly coming out further than my boobs for instance. A little belly isn't a bad thing though, I would just prefer to have the curves of abdominal muscles along with a little cushioning. When I'm like that is I'm truly happy with how it looks on top of the feeling that goes with feeling fit.

That or praying zealously to the porcelain god.
This made me think of something lol my ribs stick out farther than my boobs lol it's weird...

/random things ftw
 

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You don't even have to go back that far in history. Women looked softer even 20 or 30 years ago on magazine covers, and still often do in a lot of pornography. I'm not talking necessarily about overweight women, either. Even slender women looked softer.

I'm not a guy, but I'm sure it depends on the guy.
 

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I prefer healthy women who aren't hyper-extremely vain over anorexic ones who are. Despite what popular media might claim, some fat for women is actually beneficial, health-wise. Besides that, most of them carry it better overall than guys anyway, so there really shouldn't be such an issue about it. :eek:)
 

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I find women that have naturally flat tummies to be very nice ^^

I like the pudgeons lawl too. Ever seen Frank Frazetta's work? I think the women he paints are gorgeous. They look like true women.

I would think the guy would want something to hold on when... Anyways...

I am underweight. I am happy being like this though. Yet, I def appreciate the lil' fat around the belly.

Big tummies, no.

Not a guy, I know... I couldn't resist though :p
 

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What sucks about this standard of attractiveness is that some women, no matter how thin, literally cannot have flat stomachs.

Back in high school I weighed 110lbs and I still had a belly. It is so frustrating.

And yet it's deemed the ultimate symbol of skinniness and attractiveness. In fact, even most "plus-sized" models still have flat stomachs. They seek out the curvy, pear-shaped girls who carry all their weight in their hips and thighs so that their stomachs are still flat and they look alright in lingerie. Even the "plus-sized" girls have to have flat bellies or it's too taboo.

Ugh.
 

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I don't prefer really flat/toned abs on a woman but it's not gross but rolls and rolls of fat doesn't do anything for me. I just won't be attracted. There IS a healthy medium however and I would prefer someone with a healthy body image. I really can't take people who whine and whine about their bodies but do nothing about it and don't learn to just deal with who they are. Whatever you need to be happy, do it. So long as it's not against someone else's will. Forget the media and all that hype just be who you really want to be.
 
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