I respectfully disagree.I would think that an INTJ's least favorite subject is history. American history, moreover.
It may lack the mysticism, but American history shows the ingenuity of the human mind, in my opinion. The amount of progress made since it's inception is unprecedented. Of course, I'm a sucker for productivity...There is much to respect in the Ayn Rand, I do find American History of utmost bore, for it lacks of mysticism of the ancient world, and the Byzantines of course. Its easy and boring.
I too, am sucker for certain values and themes. It is not in progress, no matter its valuation, that any history is enjoyable, but, in my opinion, the birth, and evolution of ideas to influence todays event. Only through American history can we understand inclintations towards weaponry ownership and weakened government. In similar eastern light, only through examinations of principality feuds in Kiev and Mongolian chaos can we understanding eastern tendencies towards strong government and order. It is evolution of ideas that is most important and enjoyable, to me of course.It may lack the mysticism, but American history shows the ingenuity of the human mind, in my opinion. The amount of progress made since it's inception is unprecedented. Of course, I'm a sucker for productivity...
I agree that we are all affected by our present culture. But I disagree in that we have to learn of its origins in order to adapt to it. If you were transported to Laos and were forced to live there for a year, you would be able to adapt to that culture without knowing its history because the truth is: it is what it is, and knowing about its history will not change it.I respectfully disagree.
How can you process the culture around you if you don't understand how it came to be?
We are all affected by our present culture, like it or not, and knowing its origins can only make adapting to it easier.
I think you hit the nail on the head.Maybe it's all a language subtlety escaping me as english isn't my native language, but it seems to me that a lot of people here are mistaking elitism with being part of the elite. The latter means being at the top of the scale, while the former is looking down upon anyone further down - no matter how high (or low) the elitist himself is on that scale. One does not have to have achieved amazing things to be an elitist, and sadly more often than not they haven't (and probably never won't).
I do dislike people happily wallowing into their mediocrity and consciously refusing to grow, but I think elitism is even worse. Saying "it makes me angry to see how people are dumb and I'm an elitist" is bullshit, IMO one doesn't have the right to be angry about something if s/he doesn't try to do anything about it - either you get up and do something, or you don't and you STFU. The thing is that some of these people who refuse to expand their mind actually don't even realize it, and if there isn't a more enlightened person to make them realize it, it just won't happen by itself.
Some people are able to learn by themselves and that's great, and some others need teaching and guidance - and that's fine too. Because this is the only way to make everyone progress and grow just not as individuals, but as a community. I'd much rather spend a day teaching a dumb but willing to learn person than brain-masturbating on our supposedly superior intellect and knowledge with a smarter one.
Without splitting hairs on the word "adapt", I am suggesting that the only way we function in our present culture is by recognizing how the previous culture led us to this place.I agree that we are all affected by our present culture. But I disagree in that we have to learn of its origins in order to adapt to it. If you were transported to Laos and were forced to live there for a year, you would be able to adapt to that culture without knowing its history because the truth is: it is what it is, and knowing about its history will not change it.
History is important though if you want to learn lessons from it. But when it comes to memorizing meaningless dates, meaningless names of the stupid battles between the Natives and the Settlers and the Union and the Confederates Allies and Axis, and all the names of all the presidents of the US, the generals and chiefs of tribes, Holocaust and WWI and all other kinds of mind-numbing crap that you must know in order to pass the class... I'd rather do some other horrid things, like watch Lifetime.
:bored: Like I said, learning lessons from history is different than actually memorizing it... Do kids who grow up in today's culture analyze how it came to be by examining previous cultures and recognizing patterns and differences from past generations to present generations? NO.Without splitting hairs on the word "adapt", I am suggesting that the only way we function in our present culture is by recognizing how the previous culture led us to this place.
IOW, those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. If INTJs don't like wasting time or making unnecessary mistakes, we should embrace how we "got here from there."
Watch Lifetime and cry quietly if you want. But consider that the fallout from WWI and the Holocaust have an impact on us today. The most recent violence in the Balkans and the entire state of Israel are direct results of those events.
This too.Do I think more people should care about intellectual pursuits? Yes.
But am I really better than anyone else for this? Of course not.
If you're intelligent and can get things done, I can respect you for that. But if you have despicable character, don't expect anyone to like you.