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I'm an ENFP dude and a musician. Im a jack of all trades and a master of none when it comes to music. But Ive been hangin out with this dude ESFP and were already best bros. BUT HE'S GOOD AT EVERYTHING!!! lol You name it, he's good at it. He plays every instument like he's been doing it his whole life, owns on all video games, awesome in academics, sings like a pro, cracks the most funny jokes at all the right times, and to top it all off he's modest and a freaking great guy.:proud:

I'm not jealous, but this is the first ESFP ive met. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD AT EVERYTHING!?:crazy:
 

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We are not good at everything. First of all, an ESFP has to recognize the value, or need of what he is going after. If it has value, then it is worth pursuing. If it is fun, value is irrelevant. I will get back to a customer, for instance, with about as high a priority as I can give it. If the boss wants a report on Monday morning and I have customers to address on Thursday and Friday, he might not get that report on Monday morning. That can be really important to him, such that he may cut your pay or fire your mangy butt over the issue. Who wins that round? Nobody. INTJ bosses in today's economy are so concerned about controlling their employees, and they seek to rule by death threat ( I will fire you, which is the death of your career ) that they do not appreciate the fact that you were running like a fine tuned machine, taking care of his business.

No, we are not good at everything, far from it. On the other hand, we can usually make a decent performance which may fool most of the people. I figure the scam artist in "Catch Me if You Can" may have been an ESFP. He was a quick study, knew how to pick up the required tool or technique and practiced it well enough to perform as a pro. Part of it, too, is having somebody acknowledge an ESFP on how well he is performing (again, not in the INTJ managers repertoire). (Give Patton a headline and he's good for another 50 miles!).

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Oh, I forgot. Everything here is specific to things we perform. For strategic functions, we (ESFPs) cannot help you. Personally, I think the length of time that abstract details must be viewed in our mental plane of consciousness is way too short. We are not abstract thinkers, thus I cannot help you with Calculus. I can explain the very basics of it. I have no interest in working calculus problems for you. For those problems, I suggest you take your silly assed question down the hall to someone who cares about such.

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We are not good at everything. First of all, an ESFP has to recognize the value, or need of what he is going after. If it has value, then it is worth pursuing. If it is fun, value is irrelevant. I will get back to a customer, for instance, with about as high a priority as I can give it. If the boss wants a report on Monday morning and I have customers to address on Thursday and Friday, he might not get that report on Monday morning. That can be really important to him, such that he may cut your pay or fire your mangy butt over the issue. Who wins that round? Nobody. INTJ bosses in today's economy are so concerned about controlling their employees, and they seek to rule by death threat ( I will fire you, which is the death of your career ) that they do not appreciate the fact that you were running like a fine tuned machine, taking care of his business.

No, we are not good at everything, far from it. On the other hand, we can usually make a decent performance which may fool most of the people. I figure the scam artist in "Catch Me if You Can" may have been an ESFP. He was a quick study, knew how to pick up the required tool or technique and practiced it well enough to perform as a pro. Part of it, too, is having somebody acknowledge an ESFP on how well he is performing (again, not in the INTJ managers repertoire). (Give Patton a headline and he's good for another 50 miles!).

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Digger
Haha its like reading a constant stream of thought! But I got the jist of it. If your into it, you to it with pizzaz. If your not...then not so much pizzaz. Also really good at finding tools to become good and gets better when acknowledged of their awesomeness. Interesting.

On a different note... That movie is freaking awesome!:laughing:
 

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Well, it is actually a bit worse. If we see the need or like doing it, We work at it until we get it really good. If we don't see the need for it, we just don't care. Oh, we might try it, and if I were to walk in and try my hand at playing pool, I'd probably beat the next guy who hasn't held a pool cue because of my Zen.
On the other hand there are things my brain just isn't wired for. I can quote lines from about any movie I've ever watched, but if the boss wants to know what the data indicated on the experiment I ran yesterday, I can't drag it from my mind. I might have the main point, but if he wants to know the efficiency or the power at the best performing iteration, I have to get back to him. Don't have a clue.
If you want to do your ESFP buddy a favor, give him a complement from time to time, and make it really sincere.

One of my friends, not an ESFP, but a musician I played with was singing "Great Balls of Fire" done by Jerry Lee Lewis. Don't know if you know the song, but it is a song that has to be sung totally flat out wide open. Parts of it are high in pitch and high in volume at the same time. I know it was a JLL song, but I can't remember for sure if it was "Great Balls of Fire" or something else. Anyway, he sang it and I told him it sounded good, but could he try it again and kick it up a notch. He did, and it improved. I told him that was better, but could he kick it up another notch. He looked at me like I was nuts, but said he'd give it a go. I think I made him do it three times. When he sang it for the Back to the 50's night at church, he absolutely nailed it. Now that is not so much ESFP behavior, but I did have the knowledge of what it needed. I guess that is the gift ESFP's reportedly have of knowing when something is just right in terms of a performance or a creation. He would never have given it that had I not brought it out of him. Sometimes the ESFP is not the performer, but the expert on performance.

Another time I told a friend about how to remove a lag bolt broken off in the wall of his camper. The head was broken off, and he'd tried to drill into it with no luck. I told him to go buy a cobalt drill bit, and keep putting oil on it to keep it cool while he drilled. I told him, that he should push on the drill and to not let it spin if it is not cutting. The important thing is to not let the bit get hot because it loses it's temper and thus its hardness. He took this knowledge and showed up on my doorstep a day or two later with the lag bolt with a hole drilled about 1" or 1.25" deep, and perfectly centered. He then used an easy out to turn the bolt and back it out. I had the knowledge, but I don't think I could have pulled that one off.
One of the great parts of teamwork is solving problems collectively. You get a bunch of guys together from different parts of the world of industry, or whatever, and make it a group effort to solve a problem. It is incredible what they will know as a group. I was chatting with friends in such a situation and the topic was "absolute limits imposed by nature". One guy was from a boiler shop. He had read about how you can only make solder climb so high when sweating a joint on a copper pipe. They got all kinds of heat going in their shop, experimented with various fluxes, and they approached the limit, but could not exceed it.
There is a certain number of drums that can be filled by a team of men. We set up what we considered to be optimum conditions. We tried like heck, but we could not beat the record. We were good.

My advice to you is this: Study up on the profile you test out as. (I am consistently an ESFP). Apply yourself at things that you like, and keep an eye on your profile as it will guide you at what you will be successful in. However, if you do not like doing it, find something you enjoy doing. If you like it, you will do it more. If you do it well, it will become easy, and you will have to figure out how to make a living off of it, or better yet, pick something that will be lucrative enough.

I hated to compete when I was young. Didn't want to lose, I guess. In the Boy Scouts they wanted me to make a fire with Flint and Steel. I'd never done it, so I asked for teaching. I was given a lesson. Then they gave me the tools and clicked the stopwatch. Well, I had determined from my observation that the key was to strike that rock on the file hard to make maximum number of sparks. I banged it, dropped the file and rock, picked up the blackened cloth with the glowing embers on it and blew it carefully, then harder. Poof went the flame, and I'd broken a troop record. I had a flame in something like 2 or 3 seconds. The soutmaster's comment was great: "Ole Noncompetitive Digger!":laughing:
 

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Wow digger, that's one of the most helpful responses I've seen on this site. Haha thanks!

I'm pretty well educated in my own personality type. But it could never hurt to take another look at things.

tons of great advice man.:proud:
 

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ESFPs are great at:

1. Making friends with any strangers, especially other sensors
2. Being late
3. Perceptor, they are the perceptor of all perceptors. They make me look like a J! And I know a LOT of ESFPs
4. Having fun in any situation
5. Music: I know one that loves the violin, another one that loves the guitar, and others that have great voices
6. Anything in bed, such as sleep
7. Gossip

Yep, those are the esfp's I know. Fun people, but I don't know if they'll ever settle, whether it be a job, school (I know one that's an undergrad in his 7th year!), or marriage
 

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No we're not, but most things you mentioned (such as music and cracking jokes) come naturally for ESFPs. They're fun and stimulating tasks therefor we're more likely to excel at them.
 

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What ESFPs are great at?

ESFPs are great at:

1. Making friends with any strangers, especially other sensors
2. Being late
3. Perceptor, they are the perceptor of all perceptors. They make me look like a J! And I know a LOT of ESFPs
4. Having fun in any situation
5. Music: I know one that loves the violin, another one that loves the guitar, and others that have great voices
6. Anything in bed, such as sleep
7. Gossip

Yep, those are the esfp's I know. Fun people, but I don't know if they'll ever settle, whether it be a job, school (I know one that's an undergrad in his 7th year!), or marriage
Not a bad list. There are some caveats and foibles mixed in, however.
1) We love making friends, and it it important to us that everybody is involved in the action.
2) No comment on being late. Sometimes I'm not, but it's rare.
3) Perception creates problems. "I bet I could make good use of that, I'll stash that, hmmm, maybe over here. I'll put this paper on the pile right here (knowing I'll never go through that stack, but if I do it will take lots of time!)."
4. I have cracked jokes during meetings (we are famous for that, and it is a really sore spot with others, especially managers).
5. We love to perform. Anybody got a mike?
6. There are much better things to do with a bed than sleep. Actually, they are oversold for that use.
7. We are not the best for gossip, but we are resourceful and can find out what we need, usually. We are very resourceful.
Not a bad list, however!
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3) Perception creates problems. "I bet I could make good use of that, I'll stash that, hmmm, maybe over here. I'll put this paper on the pile right here (knowing I'll never go through that stack, but if I do it will take lots of time!)."
I didn't know that had something to do with Perception. Me and my friend were talking just yesterday about my inability to throw things away 'cause I think it'll be useful some other time.
 

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Throwing things away

I didn't know that had something to do with Perception. Me and my friend were talking just yesterday about my inability to throw things away 'cause I think it'll be useful some other time.
I read, and it made sense to me, that a person with a strong P has a messy desk. I discussed MBTI with a scientist I worked with, and he had a strong P, but a neat desk. He was an exceptional man. We did not discuss the messy desk issue, but he said that the P allowed him to keep his options open whereas the colleague with the strong J trait would make a decision and move on.

I knew another friend who was an incredible master of accumulation. I diagnosed him as ENTP. Right or wrong, I don't know, but his office had stacks of paper everywhere. He could find a document in that stack of mess with no problem at all. It was incredible.

That is all.

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Oh, I forgot. Everything here is specific to things we perform. For strategic functions, we (ESFPs) cannot help you. Personally, I think the length of time that abstract details must be viewed in our mental plane of consciousness is way too short. We are not abstract thinkers, thus I cannot help you with Calculus. I can explain the very basics of it. I have no interest in working calculus problems for you. For those problems, I suggest you take your silly assed question down the hall to someone who cares about such.

Live it and Love it!

Digger:laughing:

OOH! oh, oh! like us!! we care :)
 

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I love it. I did take Calc enough times, even made it though Linear Algebra with a passing grade, but that was about it.
I know a girl who had a straight 4.0 in high school until she had to take Art. She was so right brained that she couldn't make it in Art. She still graduated with honors.
Good to meetcha, Mu!

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One of my buddies at work was INTP. One of the signs of being a strong P is that you have a messy desk. He had more discipline than I did in that respect. He said that the P allowed him to keep his options open. We worked together in Chemical Engineering. He was incredible. Me, too, but in my own ESFP way (not too soluble with Engineering career!).
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hey Digger :)
i think INTPs and ESFPs tend to get along really well! i love the few ESFPs i know, and one is my best friend. you guys are awesome with detail, it's unreal. you remember the tiniest things that i can't pick up on for the life of me. i have a lot of fun bouncing theories off my friend, but once and awhile he explodes :) oh well. still does better than any other type i know! you people are great company to have. :laughing: and you definitely bring a party wherever you go :crazy:
 

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I'm not necessarily good at everything I'm interested but I do have many interests

I agree with the above statement, for some reason, likely my interests, I get along quite well with INTPs and also for that reason you mentioned at bouncing things off each other, I said elsewhere I think we and NTs seem to rub off on each other in a very positive way. Sure some things will go right over my head but at least I try and with some explanation I do get things eventually sometimes :crazy:
 
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No, but I'm especially good at eating, playing video games, spilling stuff, and watching porn
 
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