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I hate the right/left political dichotomy. It's not descriptive or nuanced enough. I would consider myself a true minarchist, which doesn't tend to sit well with the left or right. "The Center" is usually used to describe those swing voters that vacillate between the two major parties on an election-by-election basis. I don't fit there either.
 

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I hate the right/left political dichotomy. It's not descriptive or nuanced enough. I would consider myself a true minarchist, which doesn't tend to sit well with the left or right. "The Center" is usually used to describe those swing voters that vacillate between the two major parties on an election-by-election basis. I don't fit there either.
If you had to choose a view (right or left wing) that would best serve the country (and the globe), then which one of the two would you give some of the support to?
 

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I'm with @Sovereign on this. I dislike the labels. There is plenty of gray area that's neither "red" nor "blue". I know how I will vote (none of your business, btw, that's why they put the little curtain on the booth), but I don't really identify strongly with either party, or accept the left/right label.

I think it sets up a "you're either with us or against us" mentality. I've heard enough of the red state/blue state bullshit. And ... don't get me started on the Electoral College. It makes it much more difficult to suss out exactly what a candidate's true agenda is. They merely pander to the 11 or so "swing" states, rather than addressing the nation as a whole. I'm really tired of hearing about jobs in Ohio, the "senior" vote in Florida, and who Latino voters favor. How does that help me make up my mind?

Each election season, we are subjected to the constant courtship of both parties of the "undecided" voter. If you look at it as a left-wing / right-wing bell curve distribution, the 20 % in the middle has the most power. The elections are swayed by the apathetic chuckleheads in the center in the swing states who either don't give a shit either way who wins and can't be bothered to vote, or who can't make up their minds and at the last minute, close their eyes and pull the lever.

Sorry to go off on a rant, but like I said ... don't get me started.
 

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If you had to choose a view (right or left wing) that would best serve the country (and the globe), then which one of the two would you give some of the support to?
If I had to choose, it'd be the right, simply because of economic issues. The right's social issues are a newer deal, and I think they're a fad.
 

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I guess you would call me right leaning for economic issues, the 2nd amendment, etc. However, I don't think the government has any business telling you who you can marry or what you can put into or take out of your body so I depart from that pretty radically.

In the end, it doesn't matter what I will call myself, neither side will have me... so, I carry the Libertarian standard and I am happy there.
 

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I'd just like to point out that there are such things as left libertarians, and we're pretty tolerant of disagreement on the details. I sympathize with the disgust at electoral politics, and I'll note that scrapping that and starting over, by inventing new sorts of small scale democratic process, so that we can manage matters of common concern in a respectful, open, deliberative, and genuinely non-coercive fashion -- that's kinda our thing.

That's an amazing thing to see in action. You might like it.
 

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I'm a moderate. Polarization of politics is ruining the democratic process. If you identify fully with one of the parties and cannot see the merit of the other party, then I question that persons ability to actually determine what is good for this country.

And I really hate the us vs them mentality. Politicians put politics before solutions and this country. They identify more with the labels democrats and republicans and the influence of their party more than the fact they are American and the betterment of this country.

Both sides make me want to vomit. Starting with their slogans. "Yes, we can" and "Believe in America." Ugh, like nails on a chalkboard in how they both say absolutely nothing at all in the most awful way; it's insulting.
 

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I'm a moderate. Polarization of politics is ruining the democratic process. If you identify fully with one of the parties and cannot see the merit of the other party, then I question that persons ability to actually determine what is good for this country.

Politicians put politics before solutions and this country.

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I think you hit the nail on the head regarding politics before solutions. I think this also bothers me because it's paralell to details before the big picture style of thinking that I feel is a hinderance to real leadership. You can run a kitchen like this, but not a country that is divided.

I'm with @Sovereign on this. I dislike the labels. There is plenty of gray area that's neither "red" nor "blue". I know how I will vote (none of your business, btw, that's why they put the little curtain on the booth), but I don't really identify strongly with either party, or accept the left/right label.


Sorry to go off on a rant, but like I said ... don't get me started.
SO.. Obama it is then? :tongue::laughing:

I hate the right/left political dichotomy. It's not descriptive or nuanced enough. I would consider myself a true minarchist, which doesn't tend to sit well with the left or right. "The Center" is usually used to describe those swing voters that vacillate between the two major parties on an election-by-election basis. I don't fit there either.
I would align myself as a minarchist as well. I truly do not care for government, but do not believe we as whole are evolved enough to be able to embrace anarchy and so the state has become a necessary evil. I just wish to keep it and all it's regulation and intervention as minimal as possible.

I'm devout pro capitalist. I'm not going to go into why, but in a nutshell I believe that free trade among all people has brought us to a more unified people, including with those outside of our country.

I believe that we have the potential to achieve a more peaceful and beneficial world when we become reliant and interdependant through trade. It's a beneficial side effect of a global market. So with that said I'm not red or blue, but nor am I "purple" (as I understand this to be an undecided political stance). But if I had to choose, I would lean more to the right for economic reasons as one has already mentioned, and also because I'm not a fan of big goverment and welfare state. Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying everybody is a bunch of bums who sits around expecting hand outs and subsidies. I get it. These people have faithfully paid their taxes as a security and expect to be reciprocated when help is needed. But I also don't think the situation ever had to come to this, your money is your money, and all that money could be handled on our own accord and self invested into our indiviual future. I think you know where I am going with this.
 

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If I could vote during the next American election, I'd vote for the Reform Party.
Their Presidential Candidate is an ex-gay porn star. Like they said: "What an asshole! But at the same time, if there's someone who can turn this economy around, it's an ex-gay soft-porn actor!"
 

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If I could vote during the next American election, I'd vote for the Reform Party.
Their Presidential Candidate is an ex-gay porn star. Like they said: "What an asshole! But at the same time, if there's someone who can turn this economy around, it's an ex-gay soft-porn actor!"
Why would a porn star be so qualified? I'm just curious as you really didn't give any reasons why, and if they are obvious and I am missing the point, please humor me and explain so I can understand. Unless this was just a playful joke/suggestion.
 

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I sure hope Obama does not get back in. I know the norm is to be silent on who you are voting for, but lets be real.. Obama is screwing things up. Let's get some Romney in the house!
 

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If you had to choose a view (right or left wing) that would best serve the country (and the globe), then which one of the two would you give some of the support to?
Right wing. The people in the middle-east perceive the weakness in Obama, which is why they are doing the shit they are doing. The right wing is more intimidating.
 

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Why would a porn star be so qualified? I'm just curious as you really didn't give any reasons why, and if they are obvious and I am missing the point, please humor me and explain so I can understand. Unless this was just a playful joke/suggestion.
Of course it's a joke :p

Though I do think I would vote for a Third Party candidate, the Reform Party would not be my choice xd
 

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I sure hope Obama does not get back in. I know the norm is to be silent on who you are voting for, but lets be real.. Obama is screwing things up. Let's get some Romney in the house!
This is also a mentality I can't stand. Completely irrational to vote against someone rather than for someone. Its a surefire way to get a lemon of a president because both candidates are usually awful. Also, I don't know what criteria you are using to determine that things are being "screwed up" that wasn't a trend for the last ~5~20 years.

Right wing. The people in the middle-east perceive the weakness in Obama, which is why they are doing the shit they are doing. The right wing is more intimidating.
I smell propaganda BS. What "shit"? You mean the revolutions fueled by poverty, rising food prices, inflation, human rights violation, and high unemployment?

Majority don't even have televisions, so how is one party more intimidating than the other when there has been little to no military strategy change between the GOP and dems? They got worse things to worry about like feeding their children off less than $2/day.
 

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This is also a mentality I can't stand. Completely irrational to vote against someone rather than for someone. Its a surefire way to get a lemon of a president because both candidates are usually awful. Also, I don't know what criteria you are using to determine that things are being "screwed up" that wasn't a trend for the last ~5~20 years.



I smell propaganda BS. What "shit"? You mean the revolutions fueled by poverty, rising food prices, inflation, human rights violation, and high unemployment?

Majority don't even have televisions, so how is one party more intimidating than the other when there has been little to no military strategy change between the GOP and dems? They got worse things to worry about like feeding their children off less than $2/day.
It's just racism and fear. Fear and hatred fueled by, yes, propaganda.
The Middle-East is powerless. It was never very powerful, but American troops have seen to it that the Middle-East might never recover.

And remember, the Al-Qaeda weren't even in Irak, but the American military attacked it anyway. Why? For profit, of course.

Either way, the Republican Party is well on its way to become a cult, rather than a political party. It's a party full of racist, bigoted, misogynistic, uneducated bastards with dollarsigns in their eyes. Where you'll find profit, you'll find a racist who votes Mitt Romney.
 

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1) This is also a mentality I can't stand. Completely irrational to vote against someone rather than for someone. Its a surefire way to get a lemon of a president because both candidates are usually awful. Also, I don't know what criteria you are using to determine that things are being "screwed up" that wasn't a trend for the last ~5~20 years.2) I smell propaganda BS. What "shit"? You mean the revolutions fueled by poverty, rising food prices, inflation, human rights violation, and high unemployment?3) Majority don't even have televisions, so how is one party more intimidating than the other when there has been little to no military strategy change between the GOP and dems? They got worse things to worry about like feeding their children off less than $2/day.
1) I agree. And it is in your power to vote for whoever you want. But in my opinion if people vote for someone other than democrat or republican, they need to make sure the candidate can get elected. Unfortunately it is hard to know everybody's plan of action because people want to keep politics to themselves, and many are indecisive until the last moment. Very true - things have been screwed up for a long tme. I just think that Obama's whole 'crew' up in the white house is very dangerous to the constitution.2) For one.. the president of Iran claiming the holocaust never happened; and the same guy threatening Israel and the United States. And I know that is not representative of everybody in the middle-east. But many are prone to violence and are a threat to the United States and many other countries.3) Obama tries to do this whole "common ground' thing and it just makes the leadership in the United States look weak. Then he apologizes for the video about Mohammed. In the United States we have the freedom to make such videos, so Obama has no business apologizing. And his apologizing makes the United States look like a push-over. It makes the terrorist leaders and that Iranian dude feel comfortable. They have no business feeling comfortable. Hitler was very comfortable back in the 20s and 30s....
 
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