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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
 

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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
Might have something to do with those two lumps on my chest. I look down and I'm like, "Oh yeah.".
Haha, a deeper answer might be something like I can get away with a lot more than a guy could.
Because no-one ever suspects the butterfly... :cool:

I forget that most guys are afraid of their emotions and in my experience, more sensitive than girls. Pride is something that weirds me out about guys. I understand that it's important to feel good about yourself, but pride? Really? It's like sometimes you're too scared to be honest with yourselves. The whole nice guys finish last thing? Pretty sure that's a lie you tell yourself so you don't have to take responsibility for anything. Just because you did something with good intentions doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Man, I'm going to get in so much trouble for saying that :p

I've had a lot of guy friends, I play video games, watch porn, smoke weed on occasion and I like transformers and robots and physics. One time I even painted up a few warhammer figurines and played MTG (don't judge me). I also like girls sometimes so I can appreciate women with you (as long as it's respectful).

I tend to be the one that wears the pants in the relationship and I'm not needy, clingy or jealous. Space is very important to me and sometimes I can be a flake. My replies to text messages are usually short. Don't like PDA either (holding hands is cool though). Can't say I'm materialistic because I hate shopping. I especially hate shoe shopping! And I really don't see the point of gossip/bitching. Women's magazines are offensively stupid.

Sometimes I think that I must've been a man in my past life. I just can't get behind most girlie activities. So many girls I know have never even played Pokémon!!
 

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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
- "Hm, I'm a gurrrrl. Okay". I don't think anything in particular aha.
- The fact that sometimes I stare at myself in the mirror and judge how I look, perhaps.
- Physical strength, because I have none whatsoever.
- I was told that I sometimes speak and think like a dude. Otherwise I am quite different from your average guy, but to be fair I don't really know.
- I'll have your head on a spike.
 

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Might have something to do with those two lumps on my chest. I look down and I'm like, "Oh yeah.".
Haha, a deeper answer might be something like I can get away with a lot more than a guy could.
Because no-one ever suspects the butterfly... :cool:

I forget that most guys are afraid of their emotions and in my experience, more sensitive than girls. Pride is something that weirds me out about guys. I understand that it's important to feel good about yourself, but pride? Really? It's like sometimes you're too scared to be honest with yourselves. The whole nice guys finish last thing? Pretty sure that's a lie you tell yourself so you don't have to take responsibility for anything. Just because you did something with good intentions doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Man, I'm going to get in so much trouble for saying that :p

I've had a lot of guy friends, I play video games, watch porn, smoke weed on occasion and I like transformers and robots and physics. One time I even painted up a few warhammer figurines and played MTG (don't judge me). I also like girls sometimes so I can appreciate women with you (as long as it's respectful).

I tend to be the one that wears the pants in the relationship and I'm not needy, clingy or jealous. Space is very important to me and sometimes I can be a flake. My replies to text messages are usually short. Don't like PDA either (holding hands is cool though). Can't say I'm materialistic because I hate shopping. I especially hate shoe shopping! And I really don't see the point of gossip/bitching. Women's magazines are offensively stupid.

Sometimes I think that I must've been a man in my past life. I just can't get behind most girlie activities. So many girls I know have never even played Pokémon!!
Marry me? :cool:you had me at transformers, even before Warhammer and Pokemon :laughing:
 
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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
I'd hit you in the arm hard cos those are bloomin annoying questions ! I'm not answering those. Over and out.
I know my gender, I don't overanalyse it.... I am just me.
 

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Hahaha, yeah I've had that response a few times. You wouldn't want to marry me though. I'm pretty uhh, intense.
I'm afraid you don't know who you're talking to madam. I'm so intense I breath metaphysical fire.
 

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Might have something to do with those two lumps on my chest. I look down and I'm like, "Oh yeah.".
Haha, a deeper answer might be something like I can get away with a lot more than a guy could.
Because no-one ever suspects the butterfly... :cool:

I forget that most guys are afraid of their emotions and in my experience, more sensitive than girls. Pride is something that weirds me out about guys. I understand that it's important to feel good about yourself, but pride? Really? It's like sometimes you're too scared to be honest with yourselves. The whole nice guys finish last thing? Pretty sure that's a lie you tell yourself so you don't have to take responsibility for anything. Just because you did something with good intentions doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Man, I'm going to get in so much trouble for saying that :p

...I like transformers and robots and physics. One time I even painted up a few warhammer figurines and played MTG (don't judge me...

... Don't like PDA either (holding hands is cool though). ... Women's magazines are offensively stupid.
As anticipated, here comes a barrage of breast jokes :laughing:
And girls do get away with a lot when it's a guy on the other end, and the prettier he thinks the girl is the more she can get away with, simply because it's impossible to not be biased; treating a girl as equally as a guy in a 'negative' situation is (in the heat of the moment) akin to drawing a line through a fine portrait with a 0.5 HB pencil...you can't see the line so much, but you still feel bad for doing it :tongue:

I can easily and intensely relate with all the stereotypes you mentioned, and I absolutely despise them. Guys are as sensitive as girls (but keep in mind that there are always personality differences, however the sensitivity level isn't affected so much by gender), and having to bottle that up, especially for dominant feelers like EFJ's and IFP's, is a horrible experience. I also have a big issue with pride (see: the douchebag phenomenon); honor, which is implicitly demanding you are treated as a respectable human being, and pride, being a selfish dis-conscientious jerk because you think you're better than everyone, are really different. Somewhere along history people started mixing them up, and what is happening nowadays is far from "being confident and assertive like a proper man should be".
The whole "nice guys finish last" thing is what really pisses me off. It's like manners are wrong, if you're well-mannered then you're inferior. It's also like all girls are jerks that think the same way. The amount of wrong in that statement is over 9000, and extends out of the scope of relationships and is a general, monstrous moral issue, I think.

I'm also totally fine with girls dabbling in whatever they think is fun, even action figures and video games and everything, it's not like boys have a patent on it or something :laughing: A gender doesn't come with its set of interests, and it's not like painting warhammer figurines and playing MTG will slowly change your estrogen into testosterone, so don't worry, no judging there :tongue:

I never liked PDA either, but i think that's just a gender-neutral preference! I also have a big issue with the objectification of women. Women are implicitly judged by their beauty/attractiveness, and nobody really looks at a girl and says "hmm, she looks like a nice person" but you always get the "check out this hot chick!" remark. Many different opinions on how to change that are present, and all of them work, but none are implemented. A shame really.


- "Hm, I'm a gurrrrl. Okay". I don't think anything in particular aha.
- The fact that sometimes I stare at myself in the mirror and judge how I look, perhaps.
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- I'll have your head on a spike.
haha :D

I don't mean to be annoying/rude, and I don't mean you in particular (more like women in general), but: please stop judging yourself by how you look, because there are actually people out there who care about you as an actual human more than just a 'pretty face'. Please please please please xD I hate that society objectifies women so much, and even though one part of the solution is for stupid people to stop expecting girls to look like models, another part is for (most) women themselves to stop attempting to 'look pretty/sexy/wtv' and to start focusing more on their human aspect. I'm talking about the general female demographic here, because I know we INFP's are naturally inclined to think this way anyway :tongue:

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Am I gonna die now? :tongue:
 

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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
What pops up in my head most about being a woman is that I have curves, a higher voice and a softness and gentleness about me I think.
The action/thing I might do that reminds me of being a woman is in the way I move perhaps - that probably sounds a bit strange but I know what I mean!
The thing I find most alien about men is to do with how their brains work - they tend to compartmentalise everything instead of seeing things as a whole, but virtually all the men in my life are T types so it might be more to do with that. That's always tricky for me... what is man and what is personality.
The things I have in common with guys can be varied depending on the guy! I have a lot in common with the INFPs, but generally the men I know have the same sense of humour as me, and enjoy the same kind of activities. Most are Ts as I've said so the emotional thing - not really!

If you keep annoying me with your questions (which you're not) then I will strip, bind and gag you and leave you in the middle of the ESTJ forum (the wolves!)
 

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What pops up in my head most about being a woman is that I have curves, a higher voice and a softness and gentleness about me I think.
The action/thing I might do that reminds me of being a woman is in the way I move perhaps - that probably sounds a bit strange but I know what I mean!
The thing I find most alien about men is to do with how their brains work - they tend to compartmentalise everything instead of seeing things as a whole, but virtually all the men in my life are T types so it might be more to do with that. That's always tricky for me... what is man and what is personality.
The things I have in common with guys can be varied depending on the guy! I have a lot in common with the INFPs, but generally the men I know have the same sense of humour as me, and enjoy the same kind of activities. Most are Ts as I've said so the emotional thing - not really!

If you keep annoying me with your questions (which you're not) then I will strip, bind and gag you and leave you in the middle of the ESTJ forum (the wolves!)

I understand :)

It might be because men are 'expected' to 'think' like that, but in reality a lot of us are feelers too so :D

And God...can't we just go with the "head on a pike" thing? :laughing:
 

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And girls do get away with a lot when it's a guy on the other end, and the prettier he thinks the girl is the more she can get away with, simply because it's impossible to not be biased

I can easily and intensely relate with all the stereotypes you mentioned, and I absolutely despise them. Guys are as sensitive as girls (but keep in mind that there are always personality differences, however the sensitivity level isn't affected so much by gender), and having to bottle that up, especially for dominant feelers like EFJ's and IFP's, is a horrible experience. I also have a big issue with pride

I'm also totally fine with girls dabbling in whatever they think is fun, even action figures and video games and everything, it's not like boys have a patent on it or something :laughing: A gender doesn't come with its set of interests, and it's not like painting warhammer figurines and playing MTG will slowly change your estrogen into testosterone, so don't worry, no judging there :tongue:

I also have a big issue with the objectification of women. Women are implicitly judged by their beauty/attractiveness, and nobody really looks at a girl and says "hmm, she looks like a nice person" but you always get the "check out this hot chick!" remark. Many different opinions on how to change that are present, and all of them work, but none are implemented. A shame really.
:) Yeah I kind of wish I didn't get away with so much, I'm sure I would benefit from someone being a bit more honest/blunt.

With the stereotypes I was only speaking out of experience, I haven't met any F type males that I'm aware of. So PerC has been freaking awesome for that. I had been wondering for so long if guys were even capable of empathy (sorry). Though I am young, and most boys I know tend to go through an asshole phase (victim stance counts as being an asshole too).

The things I listed that I enjoy were the things that girls and guys often remarked about when I was growing up. "But you're a girl, why are you interested in that?", "I can't get over the fact I'm talking to a girl about this", "Gross, that's for boys". I never saw anything wrong with it really, but people are still surprised to find that out about me. But MTG and warhammer, daayum that's nerdy no matter what gender you are :p

Thanks for having an issue with objectification. It's an extremely depressing issue for me and whenever I think about it I end up hating the world. No matter what I do or how I dress myself (not that it should matter), guys don't hear a single word I'm saying they just see t&a. I pray for the day I can leave the house without being stared at, wolf whistled or having some idiot honk his horn at me or yell something out. But I think the reality of that won't happen until I'm an invisible old lady. *dreams* One day...
 

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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
The thing that pops up the most probably is that i feel good about being a girl and i think the thought that "reminds" me of being a girl is these crazy moods i have every month.
I think guys are weird for their behavior in groups (just like girls, i guess), but once you actually talk to a guy without anyone else around, i usually enjoy it a lot and prefer to have friendships with guys. I feel better around them than girls and even understand them better than girls sometimes.
Well, i guess i have to include some clichés now, because i wouldn't be able to mention what i have in common with guys if i don't generalize everything a bit now. As a child i was like a boy a lot more, but i still have some of that. I used to climb and love rather rough group sports. I still like listening to Metal and watch action movies. I also think that guys aren't able to show their true feelings pretty often and maybe it's just because i'm introverted, but i can't do that either. I would never be able to walk up to a friend and tell them "love you" or something, but in a lot of ways i'm also feminine a lot and i'm glad about that.

You are not annoying me with your questions! :tongue:
 

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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one? What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl? What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p
I don't find any of those questions annoying at all. I think the thing that pops into my mind most is a frustration - as just about everyone here has mentioned - with defined gender roles. I feel very feminine, physically and sexually, but I have a lot of traditionally masculine qualities as well. I wouldn't say I'm a delicate flower. ;) lol. Sometimes this makes me feel insecure/negatively judged/negatively judgmental of myself, but other times I feel very proud of it. I used to wonder why I was the way I was, and I thought perhaps because I was so into reading and most of the people I admired and looked up to and was "in the thoughts of" were men. I've tried to read more by women as a consequence and have found that rewarding as well, but in a different way. I think that there are many, many ways in which males and females are very similar, with all the diversity of humanity, since we're human first, but also some differences that are hard to nail down due to the diversity, but overall still generally and on average there and important and complimentary.

I'm reminded I'm a girl when I realize my hormones have been affecting my mood, thought and actions. I hate that! Also when I'm performing in a gender role, which happens a lot in work and personal life. It comes very naturally to me, and it's very much something I assume because I feel it's needed, but I can't help but noticing it's a role I am playing. That's fine for the most part, but there are times when it can be frustrating, such as when I don't feel like doing something I "always" am "in charge" of, and I think "why can't YOU do that for once".

I think guys are fabulous, and I don't find anything particularly peculiar or weird. It's hard to talk about something unique to ALL MEN, but very generally:
- Supposedly women's brains tend to have more physical, neural connection between the hemispheres than men's brains, and this results in men tending to follow a line of thought and women a web. I'm not sure if that's true, but it SEEMS to jive with my experience.
- In the office, and this is with several different offices, my experience is that women do well in high-level positions, but they often still take gender-specific roles within those positions. I haven't had any positions where a female has been the head of a whole company. So amongst the managers, the women in power, among their peers, are generally in charge, among other things, of the data gathering and organizing, writing (STJ environment) any sort of social event/gathering, and so on. I feel that generally in these positions, the strength of women in these positions is to think of all contingencies, brainstorm, keep things organized and recorded, and do more of the interpersonal roles - communicating with people between companies and with employees. You could argue this is cultural, but in these cases it was something the women seemed better at doing and preferred to do, so it wasn't like it was "because they were female" but because responsibilities were divided based upon personal strengths and inclinations, and that's how it worked out. My female boss at my last company was extremely innovative and a big picture thinker. She was very good at hearing a lot of information and distilling it down to the heart of the matter to make a decision. She told me once that she developed this skill from her boss, a male. As I worked with him more, I realized this was true - you'd come in with a huge problem with many facets and halfway through a long-winded borage of information he'd have already figured out what to do.. and upon hearing it, you were like "of course!" So I wouldn't say this is restricted to males or females, but in my experience (probably because of the web vs line thing) it comes more easily to more males than females. If someone has a difference experience, I'd love to hear it.
- Physical strength. I appreciate this very, very much. In a hurricane, this pipe got pushed down through the ceiling and water was flooding the building. Men got up there and pushed the pipe out onto the roof. I work in a physical job, and I've become pretty physically strong, but the men in the same position are stronger, and I appreciate them a ton. They are NFPs as well, which is amazing. I love my co-workers. They are very good writers, and we take turns with the writing, but the women still tend to naturally be inclined to do most of the organizing and recording.

I find I have a lot in common with guys mentally and emotionally. I am very comfortable with men, my closest friends on a deep personal level that I feel have most understood me as a person have been NF men, and if there's a group of guys on one side and a group of girls on the other, with the people I know I suppose I have found the "deeper" or more interesting/engaging conversations are usually on the male side. I don't like to say that, but in my case it has been true. I also feel less self-conscious, more able to express my real self without feeling judged, and generally more comfortable. Physically? There are areas in which I like to push myself physically, and I enjoy being strong and capable physically. I wouldn't say this is true of all men or of all women though, so I'm not sure what it means to have something in common with men physically. I don't enjoy doing physical daredevil stuff, but I do like adventure and a tiny amount of danger on occasion.

Edit: all that said, with women I mesh with, interaction is extremely cathartic and the understanding on many levels completely natural and effortless.
 

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As a female and as an INFP as well do you find yourself to be extremely perceptive of other peoples' moods, emotions, thoughts, etc?
Well, maybe not extremely perceptive - sometimes i can be totally blind to what others are feeling - but usually i'm pretty good at telling what people who are close to me feel or think. I can basically read the minds of my family and tell if that one friend (who's an extrovert) is annoyed at me for being so introverted again and why she's acting the way she does most of the time. I can also sense what's the atmosphere in a group pretty well, but i can't just walk down a street and see a person or meet someone new and tell what they are feeling or anything like that.
 

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As a girl, what is the thing that pops up in your mind the most when you think about the fact that you are one?

My private areas. I don't really think about being a girl, but you've made me and that's an obvious difference, so ta dah, it popped up. Also, that I'm supposed to like girly things, but I don't really.

What is the action or thought that you might do / think about that 'reminds' you of the fact that you're a girl?

Beauty related things. I like skin care or beautifying products and that makes me feel girly, but that is not my intention with having them. Males being attracted to me makes me realize I'm feminine. Having to shave reminds me that I'm a girl. I often like girly cars, according to my boyfriend, so when he says these things, it makes me feel like my tastes are somehow that of a girl's with my upbringing as female and society's way of going about treating and associating things to females. I also think they're really cute, neat, and cool. And maybe manly in some aspects. But, I don't really care what they are. I like what I like. Certain colors will make me feel girlier too. Corals, pinks, violets. Liking them, wearing them. Oh, because she's a girl. But again, that's not why I go towards them. Or you never know, it could be very ingrained in me by the way of society, sociological, cultural stuff.

What strikes you as peculiar/weird/unique in guys? What do you find that you have in common with guys (physically, mentally, emotionally)?

Pink on guys used to seem weird but now it doesn't. Unique in guys.. Someone who is very genuine and humorous, in both sexes anyway. I actually feel like I might have a lot in common with guys because I was heavily influenced by my brother and father, and I tend to befriend males easier. Liking sports, food, and some car, plane, that type of thing, talk. So stereotypical. I feel like guys are less worrisome than females, less drama creating, less competitive with me. I don't know. I don't show emotion very much, so I can definitely relate to the guy who won't cry in public and not the chick who will. I mysteriously have a bit of muscle on my arms, which is supposed to be a manly thing, but I can't relate at all because it's not much muscle and I don't feel strong. Again, wow, that's terribly stereotypical. I can be stronger than some guys. But strength somehow seems masculine. Does emotional strength attach itself more as feminine?, I think so. What does that even mean? I don't like this whole male and female thing.

What will my fate be if I am annoying you with my questions? :p

:D I enjoyed them. I don't feel like a girly girl but that doesn't seem to be a problem nowadays. I wear pants. I have a bit of muscle in my arms. I like sports. I love food, some spicy. Blue and green are nice. I'm masculine and feminine, but I am a girl, and I feel like that is because of my private areas. XD Why else am I a girl? Appearance wise, sure. Hmm, I can see how people born differently would feel messed up. Society with its labels, 'normal'. I don't do formal and thus this blob.
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As a female and as an INFP as well do you find yourself to be extremely perceptive of other peoples' moods, emotions, thoughts, etc?
I'd like to, but I don't know. People interest me but I'm not sure how well I can read them. I'm always questioning and wondering, which means I don't really know. XD I've been told that I was a good listener and people feel like they can talk with me. I don't know if that means I'm more perceptive though. I'll watch people and try to read a situation but again it's not predictable for me. I'm curious. And also I'm on the sidelines, so sometimes I might think something is a certain way but I won't go out of my way to figure out if it is. But perception fascinates me. Everyone's point of view, story, the way we see things. I feel too selfish to say that I am that perceptive to others. If people will cry, I'll feel like crying and sometimes even do. If I'm close with someone, I care more about their emotions, thoughts, and moods. But, people can stand out to me. Someone angry, sad, or happy, etc can affect me, even if they're not being bubbly about it. But, I'm not in their heads and I honestly just don't know.
 

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Thanks for the answers! :D.

Well, maybe not extremely perceptive - sometimes i can be totally blind to what others are feeling - but usually i'm pretty good at telling what people who are close to me feel or think. I can basically read the minds of my family and tell if that one friend (who's an extrovert) is annoyed at me for being so introverted again and why she's acting the way she does most of the time. I can also sense what's the atmosphere in a group pretty well, but i can't just walk down a street and see a person or meet someone new and tell what they are feeling or anything like that.
So it seems like you can do it, but not as well as I thought. How do you make use of it?

I'd like to, but I don't know. People interest me but I'm not sure how well I can read them. I'm always questioning and wondering, which means I don't really know. XD I've been told that I was a good listener and people feel like they can talk with me. I don't know if that means I'm more perceptive though. I'll watch people and try to read a situation but again it's not predictable for me. I'm curious. And also I'm on the sidelines, so sometimes I might think something is a certain way but I won't go out of my way to figure out if it is. But perception fascinates me. Everyone's point of view, story, the way we see things. I feel too selfish to say that I am that perceptive to others. If people will cry, I'll feel like crying and sometimes even do. If I'm close with someone, I care more about their emotions, thoughts, and moods. But, people can stand out to me. Someone angry, sad, or happy, etc can affect me, even if they're not being bubbly about it. But, I'm not in their heads and I honestly just don't know.
Do people ever comment on your curiosity? Do they often seek you out when they need help/a comforting ear? How do you deal with that? I'm surprised that you also don't seem to be able to wield it quite so well as I'd imagined... :unsure:
 
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