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I think, that my adventures with Athlonium 64 deserves a thread, so here it is.

For someone, who doesn't know, what Athlonium 64 is, go here: http://personalitycafe.com/video-games/92503-what-video-game-you-playing-currently-424.html

I have been running various benchmarks and tests for over 1 week now. I completely tired of all those below cinematic experiences. When I'm gonna finish benching I will post results here.

This is a short update, but currently rig looks like this:




(smaller card is 56k modem, because why not)

Visual representation of how much money I "wasted" on better parts:


I finally got graphics card and pics are after cleaning it (that dragon is so cool :kitteh:):



So my graphics card as I got it was pretty much in bad condition. Radeon looked like it had old thermal paste (brown) stuck and mixed with dust around the fan and plastic, it looked like clay. Also I thought, that it had some missing heatsink screws, but thank god it doesn't. Clearly someone before me has really has taken of the cooler and tried to apply thermal paste, but ho it got into fan I have no idea. On the other side, there were traces of another thermal paste, this time it's grey. So yeah, cleaning was really needed. Big chunks of dust were also stuck in copper heatsink. Besides bad first impression it worked. It's fast, real DAMN FAST! Everything graphics related ran smoothly, even web browsing became actually a good experience. It was like getting new eyes. Everything runs so fast. Sorry benching and testing will be done, when I'm gonna get all parts. Card looks stable, it passed 1 hour Furmark testing, but there is a problem with fan. It's noisy, but that's not the main thing what is wrong with it. I can hear, that it touches something when spinning, there is a grinding noise and I can't figure out from where it comes. I really want to take off heatsink and look better at that thing, but I currently don't have any thermal paste. I will get it maybe next week. Overall, I kinda expected problems with fan, it was used a lot, so it's no surprise, that it's worn out, maybe placing mobo vertically will solve that problem (graphics cards may have sleeve bearing fan). Drivers worked fine and overall my first time experience with ATI is good. I really expected so dodgy drivers or something bad software related, but I didn't found that. Also after some looking at system information, I can say, that card is reference design ATI Radeon X800 Pro 256MB. So I got what I ordered. And if someone wonders if it can run Crysis, I can answer that. Yes, it runs and is playable at low settings and low resolution. So cool!

I know, that soon I will get WD Raptors. Maybe tomorrow.

I want to invite those people to this thread, who were interested in Athlonium 64: @Crimson Ash @Skeletalz @Pifanjr @Judson Joist
 

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Finally, after loads of benchmarking (lots of benchmarks didn't work or crashed in progress or just were unsupported) I can share the results of those. Everything is done on original configuration of Athlonium 64, no upgrades. Here is my txt file of scores:
3dmark2005 269 3dmarks at default preset
3dmark2003 1434 3dmarks at default preset
3dmark2001SE 6392 3dmarks at default preset
Cinebench R11.5 0.45 pts CPU test
Cinebench R10 1768 CPU CB; 991 GPU CB (open GL)
Cinebench 9.5 326 CPU Rendering CB; C4D shading 282 CB; OpenGL SW-L 1336 CB; OpenGL HW-L 1552 CB
PCMark 2002 CPU score 6965; Memory score 6075; HDD score 825
PCMark 2004 score 3404; CPU score 3864; Memory score 2837; Graphics score 1032; HDD score 3587
PCMark 2005 CPU score 3156; Memory score 2659; Graphics score 787; HDD score 3642
Peacekeeper 1058
Geekbench 2.4.3 1599; integer 1613; floating point 2190; memory 966; stream 749
HyperPi 0.99b 1 million digits, normal priority 48.719 seconds; 32 million digits, normal priority 41m 12.453s
SiSoft Sandra 2013 SP2 Lite Overall score 0.46 kPT; Processor Arithmetic 7.12 GOPS; Processor Multi-Media 5.94 MPix/s; Cryptography 0.061 GB/s; .NET Arithmetic 1.70 GOPS; .NET Multi-Media 2.52 MPix/s; Memory Bandwith 1.841 GB/s; Cache and memory Latency 83.0 ns; File System Bandwith 25.322 MB/s; File System I/O 243.3 IOPS; Processor Multi-Media 5.93 MPix/s; Cryptography 0.062 GB/s; Memory Bandwith 1.816 GB/s; Peak Processing Performance 9.24 GFLOPS
Passmark Performance test 9.0 Passmark rating 55.7; CPU Mark 522.6 (Integer Math 707 MOps/s; Prime Numbers 0 Million Primes/s; Compression 794 KBytes/s; Physics 33 Frames/s; CPU Single Threaded 704 MOps/s; Floating Point Math 651 MOps/s; Multimedia Instructions 3 Million matrices/s; Encryption 105 MBytes/s; Sorting 537 Thousand Strings/s); 2D Graphics Mark 109.1 (Simple Vectors 12 Thousand vectors/s; Fonts and Text 28 Ops/s; Image Filters 46 Filters/s; Complex Vectors 168 Complex vectors/s; Windows Interface 116 Ops/s; Image Rendering 55 Images/s); 3D Graphics Mark 5.1 (DirectX 9 0fps); Memory Mark 279.3 (Database Operations 11 KOps/s; Memory Read Uncached 1713 MBytes/s; Available RAM 1059 Megabytes; Memory Threaded 1714 MBytes/s; Memory Read Cached 2364 MBytes/s; Memory Write 776 MBytes/s; Memory latency 78ns); Disk Mark 233.8 (Disk Sequential Read 33 MBytes/s; Disk Random Seek + RW 3 MBytes/s; Disk Sequential Write 27 MBytes/s)
CPU-M 11766
CPU-Z 1.81.1 x32 Single thread 0.3; multi thread 0.3; multi thread ratio 0.84
Furmark 400x300 preset (60000ms) score 6 1fps
Qwickmark 0.4 CPU flops 6 Gigaflops; Memory bandwith 706 MB/s; Disk Transfer 39 MB/s
Winrar 5.50 32bit 603 KB/s
wPrime (4 threads) 32M 88.062 sec; 1024M 2830.234 sec; (1 thread) 32M 87.172 sec; 1024M 2782.406 sec


Geekbench 2.4.3 scores:
Integer Performance
Integer 1613
Blowfish
single-core scalar 1380
60.6 MB/sec

Blowfish
multi-core scalar 1493
61.2 MB/sec

Text Compress
single-core scalar 1536
4.91 MB/sec

Text Compress
multi-core scalar 1478
4.85 MB/sec

Text Decompress
single-core scalar 1696
6.97 MB/sec

Text Decompress
multi-core scalar 1768
7.05 MB/sec

Image Compress
single-core scalar 1571
13.0 Mpixels/sec

Image Compress
multi-core scalar 1490
12.5 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
single-core scalar 1370
23.0 Mpixels/sec

Image Decompress
multi-core scalar 1387
22.6 Mpixels/sec

Lua
single-core scalar 2102
809 Knodes/sec

Lua
multi-core scalar 2089
804 Knodes/sec

Floating Point Performance
Floating Point 2190
Mandelbrot
single-core scalar 1606
1.07 Gflops

Mandelbrot
multi-core scalar 1639
1.07 Gflops

Dot Product
single-core scalar 738
357 Mflops

Dot Product
multi-core scalar 793
361 Mflops

Dot Product
single-core vector 3711
4.45 Gflops

Dot Product
multi-core vector 4258
4.43 Gflops

LU Decomposition
single-core scalar 359
320 Mflops

LU Decomposition
multi-core scalar 365
320 Mflops

Primality Test
single-core scalar 1848
276 Mflops

Primality Test
multi-core scalar 1504
279 Mflops

Sharpen Image
single-core scalar 2373
5.54 Mpixels/sec

Sharpen Image
multi-core scalar 2400
5.53 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
single-core scalar 4539
3.59 Mpixels/sec

Blur Image
multi-core scalar 4532
3.56 Mpixels/sec

Memory Performance
Memory 966
Read Sequential
single-core scalar 1575
1.93 GB/sec

Write Sequential
single-core scalar 1147
804 MB/sec

Stdlib Allocate
single-core scalar 1210
4.52 Mallocs/sec

Stdlib Write
single-core scalar 397
842 MB/sec

Stdlib Copy
single-core scalar 503
532 MB/sec

Stream Performance
Stream 749
Stream Copy
single-core scalar 758
1.04 GB/sec

Stream Copy
single-core vector 811
1.05 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-core scalar 779
1.01 GB/sec

Stream Scale
single-core vector 767
1.04 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-core scalar 714
1.08 GB/sec

Stream Add
single-core vector 808
1.12 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-core scalar 764
1.06 GB/sec

Stream Triad
single-core vector 597
1.12 GB/sec


Dacris benchmarks scores:
CPU 5857 MIPS
Memory 1099 MB/s
Hard Drive 19.4 MB/s
2D Video 5.96 MP/s
3D Video 0.67 TTP/s

Category Grade Weakest Component Grade Description
Overall 5.86 CPU (5.61) Web browsing, watching videos, playing music, file sharing.
Software Development 6.02 Hard Drive (5.25) Using Visual Studio to develop software.
Gaming 2.24 Video Card (0.43) Playing the latest 3D games such as Crysis.
Web Hosting 5.50 Hard Drive (4.31) Running IIS or Apache, hosting web applications.
Database Hosting 5.49 CPU (4.58) Running SQL Server, hosting a large SQL database.
Multimedia 4.97 CPU (4.58) Producing professional, studio-quality music or video.
Graphic Design 5.22 CPU (4.58) Creating complex artwork with Photoshop.


Prime95 benchmark scores:
Compare your results to other computers at http://www.mersenne.org/report_benchmarks
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
CPU speed: 2309.62 MHz
CPU features: 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2
L1 cache size: 64 KB
L2 cache size: 512 KB
L1 cache line size: 64 bytes
L2 cache line size: 64 bytes
L1 TLBS: 32
L2 TLBS: 512
Prime95 32-bit version 28.10, RdtscTiming=1
Best time for 1024K FFT length: 43.225 ms., avg: 48.851 ms.
Best time for 1280K FFT length: 59.955 ms., avg: 60.155 ms.
Best time for 1536K FFT length: 69.973 ms., avg: 70.308 ms.
Best time for 1792K FFT length: 86.177 ms., avg: 86.512 ms.
Best time for 2048K FFT length: 93.103 ms., avg: 93.394 ms.
Best time for 2560K FFT length: 119.360 ms., avg: 120.072 ms.
Best time for 3072K FFT length: 143.376 ms., avg: 143.761 ms.
Best time for 3584K FFT length: 174.619 ms., avg: 175.018 ms.
Best time for 4096K FFT length: 192.499 ms., avg: 193.154 ms.
Best time for 5120K FFT length: 296.142 ms., avg: 296.753 ms.
Best time for 6144K FFT length: 400.527 ms., avg: 401.153 ms.
Best time for 7168K FFT length: 562.909 ms., avg: 564.227 ms.
Best time for 8192K FFT length: 566.808 ms., avg: 568.524 ms.


XtremeMark scores:
Threads executed: 1
Thread priority: Maximum
Quantity of operations: 100000000000
Average operations per second: 17482612,995

Time taken by Thread 1: 5714,422 seconds.

Total time spent: 5714,422 seconds;
Global time spent: 5719,969 seconds.


SYSTEM INFORMATION:

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (32 bit)
Available RAM: 1375,58 MB (1,34 GB)
Total RAM: 2047 MB (2,00 GB)


Everest Pro trial:


HD Tune Pro:






CrystalDiskMark:



Call Of Duty 2:

2017-10-22 11:19:44 - CoD2SP_s
Frames: 26119 - Time: 605859ms - Avg: 43.111 - Min: 8 - Max: 267

The winter war Demolition


Colin McRae Rally 2005:
2017-10-22 11:53:12 - cmr5
Frames: 7588 - Time: 278031ms - Avg: 27.292 - Min: 19 - Max: 34

1024x768 low preset advanced settings low


GTA III:
2017-10-22 11:41:18 - gta3
Frames: 7202 - Time: 252531ms - Avg: 28.519 - Min: 12 - Max: 42

1024x768x32 maxed out, frame limiter off


Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed:
2017-10-22 09:32:44 - Porsche
Frames: 6130 - Time: 285297ms - Avg: 21.486 - Min: 12 - Max: 33

1680x1050x16 maxed out Schwarzwald Porsche Boxster quick race


Quake 3:

2017-10-22 11:14:48 - quake3
Frames: 5438 - Time: 66250ms - Avg: 82.083 - Min: 26 - Max: 92

First mission


S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl:
2017-10-22 11:05:41 - XR_3DA
Frames: 2467 - Time: 105703ms - Avg: 23.339 - Min: 15 - Max: 104

800x600 lowest graphics + edited settings file for more fps (not so cheeki breeki experience :(, also lots of stuttering)


Unreal Tournament 99 GOTY:

2017-10-22 11:32:11 - UnrealTournament
Frames: 15576 - Time: 384125ms - Avg: 40.549 - Min: 26 - Max: 54

DM-Agony


Unreal Tournament 2004:

2017-10-22 10:04:41 - UT2004
Frames: 11183 - Time: 214406ms - Avg: 52.158 - Min: 32 - Max: 120

Five-way deathmatch (career)
 

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But does it run doom? :D
Which Doom? I'm pretty sure it would run 1 and 2. It won't run 4th. 3rd needs investigation. Actually 1st and 2nd needs too, because those may not work due to their age. I have floppy drive connected tho.

This is must, when playing any Doom:
 

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Which Doom? I'm pretty sure it would run 1 and 2. It won't run 4th. 3rd needs investigation. Actually 1st and 2nd needs too, because those may not work due to their age. I have floppy drive connected tho.
Im just joking :D

It will definitely run 1 and 2, there are a bunch of source ports that make Doom behave like a standard Windows application. Improved graphics, fully supported sound, multiplayer, all kinds of ridiculous mods, its a phenomenal game
 

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Im just joking :D

It will definitely run 1 and 2, there are a bunch of source ports that make Doom behave like a standard Windows application. Improved graphics, fully supported sound, multiplayer, all kinds of ridiculous mods, its a phenomenal game
Windows XP seem to support DOS software, so I think, that original Doom will work. Same for 2nd Doom. Also this PC should run Doom 3, according to the requirements. After all, it runs Stalker, much more modern game. Joking or not, I wanted to insert that floppy and play Doom, too bad Doom is too big for floppy. Link for Doom 1 download: Doom download | BestOldGames.net
 

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Joking or not, I wanted to insert that floppy and play Doom, too bad Doom is too big for floppy. Link for Doom 1 download: Doom download | BestOldGames.net
It was sold on multiple floppies, like 4 or 5, I dont know exactly.

That link you posted is pointless, none of the Doom games can be legally downloaded for free afaik. That version is probably the shareware edition. Youll need the .wad file of a full version to play it through a source port.
 

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It was sold on multiple floppies, like 4 or 5, I dont know exactly.

That link you posted is pointless, none of the Doom games can be legally downloaded for free afaik. That version is probably the shareware edition. Youll need the .wad file of a full version to play it through a source port.
There are 6MB versions of Doom on net too. In the past I downloaded Doom for emulation on Android and it worked.

I personally downloaded Street Rod 2 and put it on floppy. It worked fine, just crashed sometimes. Even MIDI sounds worked.
 

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There are 6MB versions of Doom on net too. In the past I downloaded Doom for emulation on Android and it worked.
My Doom wads are 12 and 14 MB respectively, unless youre talking about torrents of .zip files or something then I doubt that those are full versions.
 

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@Skeletalz I will benchmark Doom 3 later and try Doom 1.

Today I got my two Raptors and Scythe Andy Samurai Master. CPU cooler arrived with bent metal fins and other stuff bent. One metal fin on one side doesn't hold. Heatpipes look slightly bend too. Bad impression, suck for me. It's a top of the line cooler of 2004 and too bad it didn't survive shipping well. A disappointment. At least it's clean and has some mounting parts with it.

I currently trying to test WD Raptors. I put one in my main rig and ran ATTO benchmark, then ran it with my "modern" Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 1 TB HDD. Results side-by-side (left Raptor, right Barbequda XD):


Not too bad, Raptor held up in the start, but later superior Seagate wins. I expected, that Raptor will be very noisy as it's 10k rpm drive, but it's actually quieter and less vibrating than my "modern" Seagate BBQuda (damn, I can't stop making puns lmao). Thumbs up for WD, they made a monster back then and it won't rape your ears. To put it into perspective, now it would be something like PCI-E SSD, in 2004 it was that high end. It was the fastest SATA drive then and only faster things were 15k rpm server HDDs with SAS connectors.
 

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@Skeletalz I will benchmark Doom 3 later and try Doom 1.
Make sure you try the multiplayer in Zandronum or something, youll be hooked for life :angry:.

My favourite modes are Coop and Survival. Play some wads with vanilla weapons, the modern gameplay/weapon mods are total shit in my opinion. Complex Doom for example is borderline unplayable because of the ridiculous difficulty and speed of the enemies.

You cant go wrong with the older wads like Alien Vendetta or Sunder or Scythe or Plutonia. Some are more difficult than others, Hell Revealed for example basically requires you to have the levels memorized to not die. Youve also got total bullshit like Chillax with monster counts in the thousands at times, its pretty much Serious Sam with demons :D.
 

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Hey everyone, sorry for being so slow with posting about Athlonium 64. Yesterday I had lots of stuff to do and most of that was with my PC. I got lots of parts. Finally! To keep timeline linear I will post pictures of HDDs and Scythe Andy Samurai Master.

HDDs are two WD Raptors. As you all know they work, so this is how they look:


Nothing too special tbh. Sender didn't put them so close like that, I just put them there to make it look like I just unboxed those two.

Later or rather on the same day I got Scythe Andy Samurai Master. I already said shit about what I got. Now you can see how that looks like:



I have something to say about Scythe as CPU cooler manufacturer. They make high quality products and sometimes the best of the year. Now I have Andy Samurai Master and Mugen 4 PCGH. There is the same problem with both. Their fins are very thin and they bend so easily. I had Cooler Master Hyper 103 in my main rig and compared to Scythe it was a rock. It's by far more robust. Stock AMD Cooler is even stronger. Also Scythes have problems with fitting into cases, not really with fitting, but with not leaving enough space for hands. Anyway, I really love Scythe products for their performance, quietness, good aesthetics and interesting naming. It's one of my favourite CPU cooler manufacturers of all time, same with Cooler Master.

Okay, so it doesn't look bad in pictures, that's because I was in rush yesterday and just took the pics to show that thing. It's not a big disaster as I said. When I ordered it, I didn't expect it to be so big irl. Also I said some shit about shipping, turns out, that some problems could have been seen in the seller's pictures, my bad. If someone wonders about fan, it works fine. Maybe owner has changed it, but it doesn't look like so.

That day I got parts, that were the best of 2004. Nothing could beat Raptors and Samurai at that time.
 

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Now about yesterday. I got Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS and soon after that I went to local PC part shop to pick up my new parts. I got loads of stuff and my whole room looked like warehouse. I had to rush to assembly the PC to make my room livable and I had to prepare for history test too. So I started wit computer and left test destiny, because priorities.

So this is how pile of parts looked like:


Doesn't look like a lot, but it was a lot.

Now as I introduced my situation, let's get into specifics. PSU will be first:



Nice content of the box. This is the first time in my like I got my hands on the modular PSU. So happy! :kitteh:


Some splitters for molex, because nowadays no one thinks about retro builds and if I want to have enough molexes I should buy hella expensive PSU with enough wattage for quad SLI or Crossfire. So buying splitters is a better desicion.


These two for WD Raptors, nothing special.


In case I would need this for troubleshooting, also I think, I want to try putting SSD in that computer for experimentation (mobo is very picky with SATA support).


This one is for my main rig to fix my engineering "masterpiece":



On top of that my "masterpiece" hangs only on single screw XD.


This thing was useless for me so far. Fan controller killed it's purpose.


As the fan on CPU cooler works, I put one Kaze in front intake. I didn't use second one, because 1)I'm not fully convinced, that my CPU cooler's fan won't stop working soon 2)Ran out of fan speed controlled connectors and don't have molex adapter. At this point I may also be overloading that single line, because I put both splitters on same PSU cable



I didn't want to mess with USB Wi-Fi adapter due to it's instability and the fact, that I use it in my main rig too. For those reasons got this card.


"Completely blew away our expectations"? More like "Completely blew away my wallet" (summary of this rig)


Bracket for floppy drive to fit in 5.25" bay. Noways no one use floppies, so I had to use this thing for my floppy drive







Fractal Design Define R4. The case I once dreamed about getting for my main rig now gonna be used for Y2K4 high end PC. I have never seen something like it before. To be honest, never in my life I have ever see high end case. It's full of smart and simple solutions for putting your stuff into it. It has good style, it offers lots of space and to me it was completely different PC building experience. It was a bliss to put everything into it (except Scythe CPU cooler). So much stuff doesn't require tool to mount, lots of holes for cable management. I'm in love with it. It felt like from other world, it was THAT PERFECT. I definitely made a good case choice, too bad it's a shame, that my more modern rig has a worse case and I put my old geezer in such a masterpiece (some ricer logic here).
 

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I had to split my posts into parts due to perC's picture limitations. So let's continue.

The building part. Due to time constraints I had to hurry a bit, so I didn't took lots of pictures and now to think about that, building PC is like a meditation, that puts one into zen state. Taking pics would be an interruption to that.

I found my CPU :kitteh::

This is how my AMD Athlon 64 3200+ looks like. It's a bit magical moment (seeing your CPU) due to it's rareness and putting your heatsink on it. You will put heatsink on and forget about it's existence for quite a while.


Shot of RAM. Honestly, I didn't examine how it physically looks like until changing CPU's heatsink.


Heavy scoundrel + mobo inside


That sad moment, when your graphics card is shorter, than your sound card. BTW I love color scheme of my sound card.

I'm putting FX5200 now, because I am going to clean X800 Pro and I didn't forget my promise to @Skeletalz to bench Doom 3 and try Doom 1



Everything is inside.


Another angle of everything's inside


Zoom-zoom! :laughing: (yep, a random Mazda pun)


Build finished.

Next post is going to be either about Dooms or about ATI X800 Pro disassembly.
 

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Instead of reconstructing old cars you do old PC rigs. :laughing:

Man, those pics bring back old memories when I used to help construct and repair at a PC shop.

Rummaging through the random part box for IDE to SATA converters, finding two inches of dust caked into the motherboards, testing a handleful of ram cards to see which ones work better.

Using only one screw for the HDD was common practice for some of my co-workers. I was paranoid though I always had at least two into the case for stability.
 
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Instead of reconstructing old cars you do old PC rigs. :laughing:

Man, those pics bring back old memories when I used to help construct and repair at a PC shop.



Rummaging through the random part box for IDE to SATA converters, finding two inches of dust caked into the motherboards, testing a handleful of ram cards to see which ones work better.
Looks interesting.


Using only one screw for the HDD was common practice for some of my co-workers. I was paranoid though I always had at least two into the case for stability.
I was forced to use one, just because case doesn't have holes in the right place for 2.5" HDD. Besides screw, some metal edges support it, so it doesn't hang entirely on a single screw.
 

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I was forced to use one, just because case doesn't have holes in the right place for 2.5" HDD. Besides screw, some metal edges support it, so it doesn't hang entirely on a single screw.
Yeah the old cases was just two panels of metal with holes in them for screws. The newer ones always had brackets of some sort to hold the HDD. In fact I remember we almost forgot to screw them in because the bracket holds the disk so well.
 

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Yeah the old cases was just two panels of metal with holes in them for screws. The newer ones always had brackets of some sort to hold the HDD. In fact I remember we almost forgot to screw them in because the bracket holds the disk so well.
My case isn't old. It's Cooler Master K280. There are 2.5" mounting holes, but only for one drive. I already have SSD there. The HDD I have is what I got from laptop for free.
 
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