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I know iNtuitives get the reputation for being the "big picture thinkers", but I'm not sure it's completely justified. There are several other factors that come into play, which I'll refrain from listing to stop myself from rambling. As for which attitude of intuiting sees the big picture, I likewise think it's too variable to give a definitive answer. I guess I'm arguing that there is no function that independently codes for big picture thinking?
 

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I can say that I'm certainly detail-oriented, although perhaps "bottom-up" would be a better way of putting it. I can adopt a "top-down" view if I have to, but it doesn't come as naturally as the bottom-up view.

I have an INTJ friend. We often go about understanding things in very different ways. He likes to take things apart to understand them; I like to put them together. He needs to understand the machine to understand its components; I need to understand the components to understand the machine. He looks at things from a top-down perspective; I look at them from the bottom up.
 

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I'm definitely a big picture thinker, hate details unless I'm interested in the topic. I've also noticed that this applies to a lot of iNtuitives (not all though) and that Ni users tend to be more detail oriented than Ne users.

I haven't noticed that extraverted people would be more of big picture people than introverted ones.
 

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Big picture or details. In what way? Maybe we have to divide it in two groups to actually be able to understand it. Understanding and taking in details, or knowing them, and on the other hand working with them as the base?
If Si and Ni-types would be more prone to learn about the details of something, and build up the big picture of any new information that way, while Se and Ne rather starts with the big picture of it? This would of course be regarding which information it is, if it's information about the subject itself or rather information regarding anything but the subject?
And Ti/Fi would start working with something with the details and build it up to the finished product, while Te and Fe starts with the big picture of a project and takes the details as they're approaching?

NOTE: I'm not sure I agree with this, just a thought I came up with.
 

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I can say that I'm certainly detail-oriented, although perhaps "bottom-up" would be a better way of putting it. I can adopt a "top-down" view if I have to, but it doesn't come as naturally as the bottom-up view.

I have an INTJ friend. We often go about understanding things in very different ways. He likes to take things apart to understand them; I like to put them together. He needs to understand the machine to understand its components; I need to understand the components to understand the machine. He looks at things from a top-down perspective; I look at them from the bottom up.
Yeah that's me. I need to understand how the whole system works, how everything works together.
 

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Big picture or details. In what way? Maybe we have to divide it in two groups to actually be able to understand it. Understanding and taking in details, or knowing them, and on the other hand working with them as the base?
If Si and Ni-types would be more prone to learn about the details of something, and build up the big picture of any new information that way, while Se and Ne rather starts with the big picture of it? This would of course be regarding which information it is, if it's information about the subject itself or rather information regarding anything but the subject?
And Ti/Fi would start working with something with the details and build it up to the finished product, while Te and Fe starts with the big picture of a project and takes the details as they're approaching?

NOTE: I'm not sure I agree with this, just a thought I came up with.
Maybe because the sub-conscious processes things more broadly, taking in more information at a time, making automatic connections, while sensing - both Si and Se - focuses in on things more? They might come to the same conclusion. Like Si might notice something and take note of it (like be aware a certain facial expression means a person is angry) whereas intuition is more a vague 'feeling' that's your sub-conscious processing the same? Or maybe not.
 

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This made me laugh so hard. My 8th grade English teacher was so like this.

I remember in 8th grade we read Frankenstein by Mary Shelley and we were required to have our own individual copies of the book.

And she would lead the class in going over our previous night's assigned reading by highlighting "important points" of the reading.

Which basically meant she drew highlighter all over the page of the book, and we had to copy her.

The whole fucking book ended up being highlighted.

She had to have been like an ISFJ or something (I thought that even before I read that highlighting tidbit ^)


She was the same kind of English teacher who cared more about what color sweater character x was wearing than about how character x's role in the story contributed to the actions that transpired. And character x's interactions with other characters and how this reflected upon what kind of person character x was.

You know, actually important and relevant things to care about.

Unfortunately, she was actually what the vast majority of all of my teachers were like :crying:

(I actually really liked her, though. I'm just being a hater. I liked nearly all of my teachers).
 
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I notice both the big picture and details equally; it's just that most of the times I decide to ignore details (unless they're really important) to make the work easier.
 

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I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I don't see how E vs I has any bearing on this.
Well, sometimes introversion and extraversion is associated with specialist, much focus on few things vs. generalist, some focus on many things. And introversion definitions sometimes include being thorough and patient (with details).

To some extent this big picture vs. detail thing could also be applied to feeling and thinking, as thinking is more about explicit analysis than feeling.

By the way, for any opposite pair like big picture vs. details, inductive vs. deductive, ... I find it naive to expect that it must match only one of the opposites in the MBTI/cognitive function world, like it must either completely correlate to E/I or completely to N/S etc. Without further knowledge, I would always expect that it correlates to many factors to different extents.
 

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Well, sometimes introversion and extraversion is associated with specialist, much focus on few things vs. generalist, some focus on many things. And introversion definitions sometimes include being thorough and patient (with details).

To some extent this big picture vs. detail thing could also be applied to feeling and thinking, as thinking is more about explicit analysis than feeling.

By the way, for any opposite pair like big picture vs. details, inductive vs. deductive, ... I find it naive to expect that it must match only one of the opposites in the MBTI/cognitive function world, like it must either completely correlate to E/I or completely to N/S etc. Without further knowledge, I would always expect that it correlates to many factors to different extents.
I would say the first letter makes a pretty minor difference...now if you're talking extraverted FUNCTIONs, you'd be onto something. Like Ne vs Ni, Te vs Ti etc.
 

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Well, sometimes introversion and extraversion is associated with specialist, much focus on few things vs. generalist, some focus on many things. And introversion definitions sometimes include being thorough and patient (with details).

To some extent this big picture vs. detail thing could also be applied to feeling and thinking, as thinking is more about explicit analysis than feeling.

By the way, for any opposite pair like big picture vs. details, inductive vs. deductive, ... I find it naive to expect that it must match only one of the opposites in the MBTI/cognitive function world, like it must either completely correlate to E/I or completely to N/S etc. Without further knowledge, I would always expect that it correlates to many factors to different extents.
I would say the first letter makes a pretty minor difference...now if you're talking extraverted FUNCTIONs, you'd be onto something. Like Ne vs Ni, Te vs Ti etc.
 

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I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I don't see how E vs I has any bearing on this.
I think that what Niss meant was that extroverted functions are big-picture functions, while introverted functions are detail-oriented. I've heard this before, although the specific idea was that extroverted functions are for breadth while introverted functions are for depth, which is somewhat accurate in my experience.

Another interesting divide among the introverted and extroverted functions is that introverted functions seem to desire internal consistency, while extroverted functions do not, e.g. Si desires internal consistency of experience while Se doesn't seem to need it.
 
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