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For me, I see obvious conflicts and misunderstandings occurring between E vs. I types, S vs. N types, and T vs. F types, even if they have two or three other preferences in common.

I certainly see it occurring in J vs. P types as well, and I've read all about these in books about type. P's feeling stifled by J's, J's viewing P's as unorganized, etc.


But after thinking about it some more, I think I've noticed that I clash with J types just as much as, and actually probably more than P types. I guess it all depends on the situation and person of course...there are some situations where P types drive me up the wall.

But I really see J types clashing with other J types just because both sides seem like they're more likely to be stubborn and less likely to budge on whatever it is they're feeling at the time. Of course, if these two things align, that's great...but if they don't, it feels like both types will be less flexible.


Of course this is a hard question to answer, since it will greatly depend upon the exact type of the person, other attributes of the person, and the situation at hand. But if we're just speaking as generally as possible:

J types can either answer personally or talk about J's in general, I guess P's have to talk about J's in general.

However, you'll notice I haven't mentioned P's clashing with P's. This certainly can happen, but I'm assuming out of the three pairings, it happens the least. However, if any P type wants to chime in giving a different perspective, I would find that interesting as well.
 

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I'm not going to lie. I find most J types to be a pain in the ass. Most notably INTJ types. It's nothing against them, but they feel the need to impose their structure on others and aren't very flexible. It's like they're entire world falls apart the moment order is lost. Which I could see to be crippling since life in itself is chaos. I very rarely clash with other P types. So I know it's not us lol.
 

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I think it depends entirely on *how* you deal with conflict. There are people who handle conflict well, and there are people who cannot tolerate any kind of conflict. I don't think anyone really enjoys conflict, but there are ways to fight in a healthy manner and likewise, ways to fight in an unhealthy manner.

Becoming overly defensive, overly aggressive, name-calling, or becoming very passive aggressive are ways you can turn a normal conflict into one that is way worse than it was to begin with.

In Myers Briggs world... J's seem to be more likely to force an issue, or to force a conclusion on something. This in turn, leads to conflict. How they handle this conflict really depends person to person. J's might be more accustomed to conflict, and thus more accustomed to fighting fairly. However, I have seen some very very intense J types that kind of just beat the other person into submission, which isn't good either.

P's seem more relaxed, more random. They seem less likely to force an issue, or force a conclusion. This in turn, leads them to just floating along. Eventually they encounter problems, as life as full of conflicts. How they handle these conflicts, really depends person to person. P's might be less accustomed to conflict, and thus not really accustomed to fighting fairly. However, I have seen some amazingly talented P types who draw their opponent out, wear them down, to expertly diffuse a situation.

Based on this... I think it depends person to person. It depends on how they handle conflict. Based solely on stereotypes - I could see certain J types aggressively attacking each other, a J type streamrolling a P type, and two P types passive-aggressively battling for months before one snaps and yells at the other.

So yes, two J types fighting in an unhealthy way is probably the bigger conflict in the classic knock-down drag-out fight sense.
 

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If we're assuming here 'Two ppl get into an argument,' I'm definitely of the opinion there is going to be more heel-digging in a J-J conflict. However, as a J married to an ENTP who likes to argue for the hell of it and sometimes for real too, and with an ESTJ 8 mother-in-law to boot, my personal experience fighting with these two leads me to the personal conclusion that I'd rather do the real arguing and fighting with the J. The J at least seems to desire resolution of some sort. The fight might be very heated and disgustingly unpleasant for me, but our J natures satisfy each other with closure, no matter how temporary. Whereas my experiences with arguing with Ps leaves me with no such satisfaction. It's very hard for me to interpret open-ended statements and refusals to answer. The Js seem to be willing to keep responding. The Ps will just leave when they're irritated enough. But what I find happens often is Js think Ps are arguing when they're really not. So the J gets angry and the P gets confused. I do think, generally speaking, Js are more likely to START arguments in the first place.
 

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I see this as something individual. MBTI type doesn't affect whether someone is an **** *****-***'* ******. I've seen Js and Ps get into long arguments--albeit for differing reasons--but they usually involve a number of factors, including Si/Ni, T/F, and just plain stupidity.
 

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I get along with NP's, I love how spontaneous and funny they are. As JXS said, MBTI isn't related to whether you're a **** *****-***'* ****** or not.
 

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I argue more consistently with Js, but there is the option of solving the issue with them. Like, actually solving it. I would rather argue with a J. Certain individuals excepted, of course, some can turn everything in a personal attack, but with the more stable ones there is still the possibility of dealing with it constructively, finding closure. As in, not merely forgive and move on, but figure out what went wrong and why and how to avoid it in future - with deference to the rampant misunderstandings that doubtless are there.

Ps...ENTPs never seem to stop arguing of course, so it depends on the P. But it is true for me that I can hardly ever discuss real problems with them, nothing personal, so nothing ever gets solved to my satisfaction. Just avoidance, mindgames and the expectation of mind-reading capabilities, denial, never telling me something is wrong so I keep doing it...when serious personal stuff finally does come up, it is usually in the form of an explosion. So either huge explosion or a bunch of niggling things that are never dealt with. Js want the same sort of resolution to the conflict as me, even though our interpretations and goals may be opposed, so it is less stressful.
 
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i get along most with j-types. i'm the kind of person that takes people for their word, and most p-types i know aren't like that. they say they'll do something and then they don't do it, which completely throws me off guard because i remember what they have said and it confuses me. i find j-types to be reliable and i like structure and order so i prefer being in their environment. usually if i have a disagreement i just say whatever, unless it's about something important - but that hasn't yet happened to me. i can see though where j vs j would be difficult because both are strong willed and both are capable at times of having unreasonable requests. like @lirulin said as well, j types are more concerned with the end outcome, i find, and emphasize solutions.

i also however agree with this:

I'm not going to lie. I find most J types to be a pain in the ass. Most notably INTJ types. It's nothing against them, but they feel the need to impose their structure on others and aren't very flexible. It's like they're entire world falls apart the moment order is lost. Which I could see to be crippling since life in itself is chaos. I very rarely clash with other P types. So I know it's not us lol.
in that it can be extremely chaotic and a j with poorly developed coping techniques to deal with that chaos will no doubt inspire conflict in everyone around them, including other js.
 

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Arguing with SPs is the most frustrating for me. They literally don't listen to anyone but themselves, get personally offended and fail to be objective.
NPs are much better, not only do I rarely argue with NPs, but they are easier to see eye to eye with, because they value perspective and don't take things as personally.
Other Js, it's intense...very intense, but for fun. Nobody gets personally offended or hurt, so the argument goes on for quite a bit. There is no agreeing to disagree with Js.
So, I am not sure, it's all different kinds of conflict but for me, SPs are the worst.
 

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I don't enjoy being around J-types too much. I like most of them but there's a point when they start to be too annoying. I think most of them get better with age since they learn not to shit bricks everytime a plan is changed. I always thought that Js and Ps would be "natural enemies" but I think that relationships between Ps and Js are more peaceful than those between Js and Js. However especially TJs seem to enjoy arguing so for them conflicts aren't a bad thing.
 

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As a P, I just don't bother arguing with J types at all. They don't see things the same way I do, and it we'll both end up getting nowhere. I usually just go along with what they demand unless something's extremely important to me and goes against my values. Hell, it's one less decision I have to make on my own.

I watch Js fight each other constantly though. It's hilarious to a P. It really is. I'm about as P as one can get, and I think that just about everyone could use a "chill pill" most of the time.

However, I'll have friendly debates with fellow Ps (of the NT variety) all day long.
 

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P's annoy me so much because they are usually very unorganized. Organization is a BIG thing for me. And organization is a J thing. Especially with my ESFP sister, I always found myself yelling at her to pick something up or shut a door she left open.
 

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I think P's probably annoy J's more than J's annoy P's. My mom is a strong J and I'm a strong P. Most of the time, the things I do that upset her don't even occur to me as upsetting in the slightest. Even after living with her for 20+ years, I haven't figured out how to stop pushing her buttons. Still, when she mentions something, I'm quick to attend to it to make sure she doesn't start nagging. It's the nagging that really drives me crazy.

On the other hand, J's can be as organized as they want, as long as they don't expect the same from me. XD

J VS J is fun to watch. It's probably just because J's *notice* so much more. As a P, I could be surrounded by mess and uncertainty, but it's alright, I don't mind. I don't even feel the need to fix it. XD
 

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But after thinking about it some more, I think I’ve noticed that I clash with J types just as much as, and actually probably more than P types. I guess it all depends on the situation and person of course…there are some situations where P types drive me up the wall.
With a P and a J it’s more likely they will talk past each other entirely because they work differently. Like Who’s On First. Each interprets the other in a way that misses what the other meant and they go around in frustrated circles.

When two Js clash it’s more likely they get each other’s approaches fine, but they’re disagreeing on the argument. It’s a fight about the positions rather than a failure of communication.

But I really see J types clashing with other J types just because both sides seem like they’re more likely to be stubborn and less likely to budge on whatever it is they’re feeling at the time.
Oh Ps are plenty stubborn. Js want closure, Ps want the best opportunity. Js are flexible internally: have to be, to achieve closure externally. Ps introvert their judging, they are more organised and picky on the inside: naturally they chafe against external structure.
 

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JvsP is simple and it has nothing to do with how orderly someone is.

First of all a J type will have a theory about something and their tendency is to look for data that matches that theory. That is why Js seem so sure of themselves and often disregard other people's ideas. This makes a J's judgment fast but the possibility of inaccuracy 9of them being wrong) is high.

A P on the other hand will work for data to developing a theory. This is why you see so many Ps questioning their type and checking different possibilities, going deep into the theory and questioning things, looking closely at what the data points towards. This makes p types look indecisive and all over the place, they also come to conclusions much slower or they don't come to a conclusion at all. However when they do decide it is often highly accurate.

Simple as that. The difference between a J and a P.
 

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Hmm.. in my experience I think I have more conflicts with J types, but I could be biased because both my parents are J's. The conflict comes with clashing decisions, whereas the problem I have with P's comes from getting them to do things (but this might mostly be NP's).

Overall, I get along more with E's, N's, T's, and P's, so I guess that explains why I'm drawn to ENTP's (and act as one around people sometimes).
 

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I'd imagine it's JvJ for me, because I don't have problems with Js (unless they direct too much of that J onto me). It's always the other way round. :laughing:
 

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Lol all the J v J debates I've seen NEVER FUCKING END. One J always has to prove to another J that his views are right where P's go Eh whatever.

Edit:Today in Poli Sci class we were talking about the diffent ways people talk about politics and heres what I came up with:

2 P's will Talk about something and just keep throwing hypotheticals at eachother to make even more. If they can't agree on something they find middle ground and compromise.
"Coffee Shop Talk"

1 P will throw hypotheticals at a J and a J will try to make a conclusion"Problem Solving". If the P doesn't agree with the J the talk will turn into a "Questioning"coversation

2 J's will Talk about something and if there ideas don't match they have to prove to eachother"The Debate".Where as if they agree on something there discussion will turn into a "Coffee Shop Talk"

1 J will throw there data or conclusion at a P a P will keep asking questions on how they got that conclusion and find flaws."Questioning" If the J and the P can't agree the conversation turns into a "Problem Solving" type conversation


This is just a hypothesis for a Poli-Sci anyone got any input?
 
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