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My Dearest INFJ's,

I have been trying to complete this for a month now, I start writing and then, back out... and finally, today have the courage to ask. What exactly is a Blessing/Cleansing of your home? --- And does it really work?

(I don't really want to share to details, as I'm sure you would understand. It's a private matter.) But, I really need some good old-fashioned honest answers because I am nervous about the process and how exactly to explain it to others. --- We had a six member team visit our home and they want to complete a blessing/cleansing of the home on Saturday.

Thank you in advance for your kindness and understanding to the "sensitive nature" of this request. Yes, I am uncomfortable. :sad:
 

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If you do a Google search on "Blessing Cleansing your Home," you will get some ideas...I guess, the nature of the cleanse depends on your own personal philosophy/religion and what you want to have cleansed. For example, removing negative energy; or removing items that might be considered "sinful" or that might distract you from your spiritual focus.

I don't know a whole lot about it all, since I just barely looked it up myself after reading your post...

As for the Blessing part, I would guess that that would be a way of dedicating yourself, and others in your home, to a renewed spiritual focus, to follow Christ, or Muhammed, or Buddha, or whatever you choose to follow.

I wouldn't do it unless it's something you're really comfortable with, and that is done in the way that you want it to be done.
 

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My family's Catholic and my dad often gets asked to do this for people's homes. I've never heard of atheists(?) doing it. It's just a prayer that you say as you go round the house. I believe you douse each room with holy water. We have a big book of prayers, but I know in witchcraft you can create your own (spells).

Just last week actually my parents went to a family's home, and there was a poltergeist. Our friend, a priest, was in town, so we had him do the blessing instead. I didn't get to go.. My mother said I would get annoyed because they were going to do karaoke right after and not come home for a long time XD (I wanted to see the ghost(s)).

And does it really work?
If you believe it works, it works I suppose..(?) like a placebo. Also some people are raised around all these sort of rituals, and I can understand it to be hard if one doesn't do it. It gives them peace of mind.

I'd say it's really no different to a housewarming party.
 

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My family's Catholic and my dad often gets asked to do this for people's homes. I've never heard of atheists(?) doing it. It's just a prayer that you say as you go round the house. I believe you douse each room with holy water. We have a big book of prayers, but I know in witchcraft you can create your own (spells).

Just last week actually my parents went to a family's home, and there was a poltergeist. Our friend, a priest, was in town, so we had him do the blessing instead. I didn't get to go.. My mother said I would get annoyed because they were going to do karaoke right after and not come home for a long time XD (I wanted to see the ghost(s)).



If you believe it works, it works I suppose..(?) like a placebo. Also some people are raised around all these sort of rituals, and I can understand it to be hard if one doesn't do it. It gives them peace of mind.

I'd say it's really no different to a housewarming party.
Thanks... this is what I needed to hear... someone that actually experienced it. We have a bit of a paradox here because we (my family) has many different faiths. I don't believe in ghost and think it can be answered by science but I can't argue with the evidence; there are voices and things do move on their own. The team says that they "ghost" are attached to the land; we didn't do anything wrong. But trying to get our entire family on the same page for a blessing/cleansing is difficult and my kids are really counting on me. I don't want to mess this up...
 

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That's very interesting... Is it serious? The spirits at this family's home seem pretty harmless. Nothing gets moved, there are just sounds. Like once after dinner they ran into the living room to catch something on TV. They left their dishes on the table.. and they heard someone cleaning everything up, the silverware etc. and when they went back to the dining room, nothing was touched. It was just a sound. Their little son also laughs sometimes by himself like he's playing with someone. The family told them that if they didn't harm anyone, that they could stay. So they have decided to just live with them since they moved in and it has been fine.
 

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Well... I called my mother and she said the blessing had nothing to do with the ghosts. It was just for the house, a message warding off evil etc. In Japan, they also add in a blessing of good fortune and I believe they spill beans outside.

My mother said that to remove the ghost you would have to use a particular person. She couldn't think of what to call it.. but she mentioned a TV series, Ghost whisperer (lol), and a character in it who is able to sense and commune with spirits. This I think could solve your situation with the conflicting faiths in your family...since this doesn't really have to tie in with religion (in my opinion). I actually had the idea of visiting the house, so that I could do something myself. I'm not psychic though... But if you do have a psychic friend, even if this friend is in another country, they should still be able to see what's going on since there is no time & space barrier with this kind of thing.
 

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Linus,

Your a lifesaver! No... I would not say it is "Bad, or Dangerous" what is going on here. Doors open and close; items are missing; shadows and the like. It's been seven years of living this way before we would talk to anyone about it because we were not sure if it was just our imaginations or something real. -- The last straw for me was when the children refused to stay in their bedrooms anymore. We bought on recorder and could not understand how we had the voice of a child saying "Play with me" in our bedroom at 2 in the morning and 30 below zero outside and snowing quite hard. (Our children are all teenagers)

Anyway, it took me three months to finally do something about it (I'm quite private with my family life) and this team appears very professional, they look into things to make sure it not the fridge making the noises and so on. They did have two sensatives with them and I wasn't sure what to think about that... but, they were not strange at all and quite scientific. (Flashlight would turn off or on when asked; more than one flashlight so they would know it wasn't chance.; Mel-meters; Cameras; Night vision; you name it.)

The two sensatives are the ones that will help them "cross over"; cleanse the home and then, the blessing. (This is so much to rap my head around.) And trying to explain this all to the kids has been very challenging because I don't even know what to think about it. -- Is this science or faith or what?... I just don't know and lying to them is out-of-the-question. I don't have the answers and I know that bothers them. You have and are being so helpful, I can't thank you enough!

PS. They will be here on Saturday to complete this. I'm a nervous wreck. Thank you again Linus!
 

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You're welcome :tongue: I guess the only faith would be that whatever they do would work out in the end. It does seem trustworthy since they are doing a lot of tests than going by superstition. I would love to hear what happens on Sunday, if they are still there~
 

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In the religion that I was born in, which is close to Catholicism, it is just a process where a priest goes around the house, says a few prayers, and sprays different parts of the home with holy water, especially corners as supposedly there is more evil stuff hanging around there. There are also some people who say their are psychics and/or affiliated with church who offer these services. As they are going around making symbols with their hands and spraying water they would sometimes note that their hand is getting heavy. This was supposed to be indication of evil spirits sitting on or clinging to their hand to slow down the ritual. That exhausts the extent of my knowledge about it.

As for kids I think best way is to explain about having ghosts in the house :) ghosts are commonly shown in cartoons, movies, written about in children's books and the like. So it should be very easy for them to understand it. Show them ghostbusters if needed :p thats always been a fun cartoon.
 

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You all are the best! --- I have so many "pride or privacy" issues. And I am so thankful that I put them aside for this. Sometimes, growth is real through sharing with others. (I couldn't do this alone and it made me feel like I was a failure somehow.)

The kids are "flat out scared." -- Me, I just get mad. Case-in-point, my daughter is awesome and a typical 16 year old, we were finally daring enough to try and make some homemade chili cheese fries; (as we are not good cooks) and something was behind the basement door next to the kitchen that scared the life out of her. --- Her whole night was ruined. I was so upset that I started crying. Or, the fact that my 17 year old has the need to be proud of himself instead of being scared when my daughter's bedroom door opened by itself. (A teenage boy should not have to worry about those kind of things. He should be doing what every other teenage is doing... thinking about girls, homework, his job. Not, what may-or-may-not happen that night.)

Sorry, I'm starting to sound like I am on a rant. -- Anyway, I have decided not to be afraid anymore and to become happy about this weekend. I'm sure this will go well; and I'll let you know sometime next week how it went. Thanks again -- You all will never know just how much this means to me. :laughing:
 

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That's great^^ Honestly my parents wouldn't know how to explain it either. They say it's a 'spirit' but they don't clarify if it is a soul trapped between two worlds, or if it is just remnants of energy/memories that someone has left behind, or anything else... And I'm glad that they are so open to it.
My family has a long history of ghost stories, but I've never been told of any experience like yours. It's interesting that when I read about stories like this, it's only in the States or in the UK.. where it gets to the point that people want to ask for help, but in my parents' country, people seem to just live with them, as if they are seen as visitors and events never get too disturbing. My parents are different in that sense.. like when it comes to this kind of topic, it doesn't quite fit in with religion. We may be very connected with the church but there are also cultural beliefs that come from the mother country..and they sort of get meshed together. Like, if I translate some of the words my parents use, I might come up with something close to "dwarf" or even "mermaid." ^^ My dad lived most of his childhood in a very remote and poor area, and he would say that many times people would just go to the Witch doctor because they couldn't afford to travel to a hospital and also the medicine --and he has a lot of stories about people being cured by odd rituals and things. Technically this is taboo at the church but my parents are pretty accepting...

I don't really have any answers myself but I am working towards it. Just to get into a little more what I wrote here
It does seem trustworthy since they are doing a lot of tests than going by superstition.
Since we're dealing with something in the non-physical, there comes a lot more variables.. and you have things to fiddle with, like subjective and objective realities which can get mixed together. And by objective, I mean the world that you share with other people. In the physical world, they are fairly separate. But like in the Rarity of Male INFJs thread some people don't believe they are so rare because there are so many of them in their own lives, but they have to look outside of themselves to really compare, if it is true.
That place you go to when you dream at night.. I don't know about you, but it is sometimes very real for me, I have the sense of smell and touch. I can eat things. And you know you're not using your physical eyes, body,etc to do that. My dreams also have symbolic content. My last dream I was visited by my sister but she was in my older brother's body when he was age 7. Looked like my brother, but I knew it was my sister. This has meaning for me (not going to say what it is here lol)... and this is "subjective". Nobody else could understand, or use the same language
So it's good that you have two sensitives there. When one 'sees' something, then the other can confirm if they see the same thing. And there is this feedback..for proof. I have to do this a lot too when I have 'experiences'. ^^I don't want to just go for the belief.. And I think this is what's meant by 'science'... (But I don't mean to say subjective is less important..It always depends)

Anyway I'd be scared too :p That shadow thing gives me the creeps. The scariest thing about my parents' friends' experiences is that sometimes when you close the door, someone comes and tries to shake the doorknob..like they are trying to get in. <_<
 

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I understand what you mean about the "subjective." For me, I call it an "over-active imagination." And that was the way I thought for so long that I had to apologize to my children when the voices appeared in the digital recorder. (We bought a Mel-Meter, k2 Meter and a Digital recorder back in February; and were really hoping that it was just our mind reacting to old wiring or something.)

For me, proof is in the pudding. We started looking at it, as you would a court case. (It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.) -- I can't say that it was "dreaming or an imagination" or not, with the kids. They don't appear to have those kinds of minds. (Straight A students; Sadd Members; Choir and Band; they excel at math and science. Calculus and Pre-Calculus are actually their favorite classes in school.) But, I also admit that I'm biased because they are my kids. -- Their friends and our house guests have also experinced things. (Voices, shadows, door movements)

With this team, they are basing it out of the "things they can prove" and that is all. They will give us a copy of what all they found tomorrow. But, those sensitives were "right-on-the-money" with the things we didn't share. I must say that it impressed me.

Who really knows?... I am just excited that the kids may want to sleep in their rooms again and life will get back to normal tomorrow. That is my hope. And now, that I know we don't have to be on the same page religiously... I can just sit back and see what happens.

My thoughts were that "ghosts" were just like when I put on my perfume, and I can leave for the day yet still smell it in my room when I come back. Or, as in a campfire... it leaves it's mark but the land reclaims it. (Something that happens within nature.) But, what throws me off are the recordings of our names being said. That does confuse me because I don't understand how exactly that is possible. Also, about the flashlights. But, I keep in the back of my mind that history has taught: people did not know what lightning was... so, they came up with great stories to explain and understand it. The real understanding of lightning finally came along and I'm sure if those people were still around, they would feel pretty silly. ( I hope is that this is the case too. We need more science within this field.)-- If these really are "spirits" then, I have much to learn about what I thought of death.
 

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are you a witch
does evil inhabit your abode
are u mad
hath u sinned my child?


without a context how can I answer coherently

demands thee kneel


(sorry sister yes garlic bread is fine)
I burnt her a meal earlier

and she better like it
 

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Just as an example of what the subjective could be used for.. There are many cases of people being visited by 'angels' or monsters or weird objects (in dreams and also during the waking hour) --in these, it's not always relevant to recognize whether it is real or not.. It's more about a message they're sending. At times, asking yourself, "What could I learn from this? How can I grow? What does this mean for me?" I have some experiences myself that I'd searched online but I never found anyone with a similar experience. In the end it directed me to something I've been 'asking' for... And yea, one could say it's all in my head, and that even maybe my mind was what made the vision in the first place, but it doesn't really matter because it led me where I needed/wanted to be. Plus, I think we INFJs know well there is more to the mind than what we consciously think about.. Ni.. it's capable of so many things and exists in many levels.
So in your case it's definitely not your imagination.. but the experience probably helps you all in some way also (though I'm really sorry your children sound traumatized. I love ghost stories but I don't think I could handle this myself). I too don't know why they are able to close doors and why you are able to record their voices on tape. These kinds of things make it seem they still have a physical body. Based on what I've read so far they shouldn't be 'allowed' to even do that...but this sentence is going too far lol XD

I do feel that in the near future, all this.. including topics on ESP etc..will be part of everyday life. I think it already is, but it's more underground or.. well you easily come across it, online especially, if you are into those topics. I don't actually research ghosts, but what I'm into is part of that whole non-physical.. the "mind" (for lack of better term)... and they are all connected there. I mean there are exercises in increasing even intuition and I find that they do work, so we can all do this and have access.. and it is real. It's just something maybe forgotten and needs to be practiced to gain back the abilities.
Just to feed your curiosity if you like :p, I'd recommend reading about the physicist Thomas Campbell. He has a lot of videos on youtube and also a forum. I think you would find him trustworthy...
 

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Linus,

The whole thing went fantastic. We were finally able to sleep like we haven't slept in ages. Thanks for your help and support. Here's a copy of the teams report:

Investigation Date: 08-14-2010
Site: Private Home
Location: -------------
Number of Investigations: 1
Evidence: EVP’s

INVESTIGATION DETAILS

TCPS had six members present for the night. The investigation began at 9 pm and we split up into two teams to cover the house. The owners and their pets stayed outside in one of the out-buildings for the duration of the investigation.

The basement proved to be quite the interesting place for the team on the first round of the night. Within the first five minutes of being in the basement, one member had the back of her shirt tugged. There was nothing and no one around her at the time that this occurred. At the same time as the shirt was tugged, the EMF reading on the MEL meter spiked from the baseline of .1 to 2.5 and then back down to zero. We could not find a cause for the EMF spike and did not experience it again throughout our time in the basement. About 15 minutes later another member experienced his shorts’ pocket being moved or tugged on and five minutes later another member of the group was poked in the back. She said it felt like someone had stuck one finger out and just poked her square in the middle of her back. Shadows were also seen by two members of the group at different times but around the same area of the basement. Voices were also heard by both groups in the basement that sounded as though they were coming from the same room the groups were in, not a different place in the house or from the outside. Also the necklace one of the members was wearing was touched while in the basement. Another member was touched on his butt and about 15 minutes later a different member from that team felt a cold breeze on her arm. There was no AC on at the time that this occurred. The clients also told the team about a bottle that was put in the rafters of the basement and had explained that when one of them went to take it out from where it was that it felt as though they were pushed back into the wall. While investigating the basement, one member did take the bottle from where it was in the rafters. He stated when he did so that it felt as though some thing had touched his face. We inspected the area and his face for cobwebs and could not find any or another explanation for what would have caused the sensation of his face being touched. One team also had a temperature spike of 8 degrees from the baseline temp and could not find an explanation for the cause of the temp elevation.

The main floor of the house also seemed to be active part of the house during the investigation. The EMF measurements throughout this level were normal, yet a few minutes into the round of investigating the living room one team member felt very light headed. Two minutes later the team heard a noise or a crashing sound from upstairs even though no one was on the upper level at the time. A minute later another member from this same team felt pressure on his chest right and that experience was followed by the other member of the team seeing a shadow in the doorway to the kitchen. This team also experienced hearing a voice say “yes” but oddly enough did not capture the voice on any of the recorders. While still in the living room, another member of the team saw a shadow in the doorway of the kitchen. She described it as a head and shoulders shape shadow and the other member who had previously saw the shadow confirmed that was what he saw, even though at the time he did not describe it to the rest of his group. There was no one and no objects around to cast a shadow like what the members of the group saw. While investigating the laundry room on the main floor, one member became very anxious for no apparent reason or cause. Again the EMF readings were normal in this room. When asked if the member was picking up the anxiety from a spirit in the house, a clicking sound was heard by the doorway of the room by the entire group and no one could find the source for it. About 5 minutes later, one member saw a white mass come from the doorway of the room towards another member of the team sitting by the door. Immediately after, the member sitting by the door got a chill on the right side of him, which was closest to the doorway. No change in temperature was found on our gauges. The other team who investigated this room also experienced chills, accompanied by an EMF spike of 2.9 from a baseline of 0.1. This team also smelled a sweet smell too that they could not find the source.

A few experiences were had on the upstairs level of the house. One member’s flashlight turned on by itself and shortly after the team saw a flash of light from the hallway. This group also heard singing which could not be explained. While in the girl’s room, one member from the other group saw a shadow head from the room and disappear into the boys’ room.

FINAL ANALYSIS

The clients of this case presented a lot of activity that they have experienced over the years. The team felt as though this was one of the rare cases that come along where as a group we were able to experience a lot of things during the course of our one night in the house that the family has been through. We had multiple temperature and EMF spikes at different times of the night that accompanied our own personal experiences. The team was also able to capture EVP evidence as well and a few of those even corroborate the clients’ experiences. We fully believe and have proof that this location has paranormal activity. The family has requested the services from our Spiritual Advisory Department. It is our hope that we can give the clients help in reclaiming their space so they can live as a family in this home without having to fear what is going to happen next. We feel that validating their experiences and performing a house cleansing will help the family take that first step in feeling comfortable once again in their own surroundings.
 
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