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Hey. I'm new here, however there's only one reason that I joined, that being constantly wanting to know whether I am mistyping myself or not. Throughout various years I've seen that people either think I'm Ne or Te dom, ENFP/ENTP or ENTJ/ESTJ, even though I can't see why that would be so. As for disorders to help you possibly distinquish or lesser certain behavior I will be admitting here, I was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of possibly 6, now some people from my inner circle think it was a misinterpretation of autism in girls.

As for my input, I would say I have tertiary or inferior Fe, as I always change my mood and adapt according to the situation at hand. If I see that the person I'm with seems more assertive or impulsive than me, for example, I stay in the corner while I quietly observe, maybe add slight remarks depending on whether the convo interests me or not. I might seem very introverted in those conditions but it's just disinterest on my part I suppose. This can also happen if the person starts the conversation first and I follow.

If, however, nobody speaks up I'm quick to turn the attention on me. This only happens sometimes though, latest example being my very last English competition that took place 4 months ago at least. Whenever it happens it's like my mood was completely deranged and morphed into something uncomprehensible to my other self. I become obnoxious or loud, my vocabulary expands, and I lead the whole group depending on what it is we should do, which some perceive as maybe slightly annoying, while having trouble with finishing my speech and letting others (in that certain group) talk, in this manner it's also very hard for me to admit I did something wrong, let alone apologize because I feel like it strips me off my confidence, mostly making me appearing weak in the process.

I think people think I have Fi because I take everything at face-value instead of holding grudges or arguing with them, also I can appear selfish (even though I would say I am self-centered), which unhealthy Fi users seem like. I'm fairly generous and giving but I require credit on my part, because then I feel like my action was for nothing and nobody will recognize it for being an action of mine, if I'm helping a person, this can be for the smallest things though (introducing people to certain things), which makes me seem not sane enough. I have my own morals, which is true but I tend to inspire myself from other people, only needing facts and logic for them to make sense for me to even be able to adopt them as my own.

I also use a lot of acting and facial/body mannerisms while doing so and it seems to me like we're in some kind of series. I used to call this 'pretending', but now I just kind of realize it's a common behavior, not only in people with Fe I could say. I guess you could comprehend this as a kind of hierarchy lol.

I'm also capable of manipulating other people based on the needs that they lack. Jealousy is also my middle name as much as I hate to admit it, especially if I helped them to achieve the thing that they did, which to me seems like unhealthy Fe.

As for Te/Ti functions, I have no idea and it seems like a mix of both to me. I can be capable of being very interested in psychology or behavioral patterns overall, which for some reason makes other people think I'm 'smart', even though you could consider such a surface level interest merely as a curiosity. :p As for finding out how things work, which is solely Ti, I wouldn't say I ever consider the option. I do however like finding out new information and digging deeper until it bores me, (which might be Ti-Ni?) but don't quote me on this, for it's just a speculation lol.

As for Te though, I have a lot to unpack here. To start off, I tend to look down on very optimistic or idealistic people who think they can do and get anything without working for it, Usually, if someone shares a goal that can be done in real life, I lay them a step-by-step plan on how to achieve it, improvising in the process (if it's actually durable). I kind of tend to hate myself for it, because I tend to criticize their thinking a lot, without doing the same for myself, because unlike Te doms, I don't really have any long term dreams or goals for that matter, nor do I have any idea how to get to them if I had any 'comprehensible' ones, which makes me a long-term hypocrite I'd say. I also taught English to quite a few people unknowingly, but whenever that happened I kind of lost half of my vocabulary which was infuriating.

Really, the only goals that I had were winning all 4 English competitions (it's not my native language) at my school, which I achieved, at least until the next rounds in which I scored mostly above average.

(A quick summary for those who don't understand; at the start of each school year, an English competition is held in which we compete against the students who volunteered, me being one of them. Only one person wins out of the whole school and that person gets to go the final round in which you are competing solely for the best title in the entire region. Okay thanks for coming to my TED talk)

During those 4 years my positions were as listed; 2nd, 4th, 8th, 3rd with the last one being the latest. (I'm 15 as of now so maybe my functions aren't developed enough? I read about it and it might be the case, you never know.)
I wouldn't consider this a goal though, because I kind of knew English at the beginning of first grade with me having full access to the internet, being a self-learner and all (the same way I learned digital drawing). Would this be Te? Because I'm generally not sure lmao.

I'm action oriented only in situations which require me to be, or the ones that that I deem fun to do, and leading people is pretty easy for me, except I generally tend to clash with other people depending on whether I'm unwilling to listen to their ideas or not.

An example would be, if we're doing a group project about one certain thing, then I immediately imagine a plan in my head and explain it to others in a very nonsensical way. Some of the people will have other ideas but if I deem them unlikable I tend to express it and stand my ground, which I do understand is a weird way to deal with it, but in the heat of the moment I can't seem to do anything else. If, of course I like said ideas, I incorporate them into the plan and we work it out with the others.

I can't really stand ambitious group projects in the first place though, because I have nobody to do them with, as I'm not familiar with my classmates at all. The example above only happened because they were willing to let me into their group. I like working alone mostly, unless it requires further assistance.

Completely off topic, but I also have no idea what I will do with my life, or the future at all. I tend to be very pessimistic realistic on the topic of future, because I interpret big actions that happen now as things that will orientate or possibly dictate the future (Butterfly effect anyone?).

Within the topic of Se/Si I tend to lean the Si way, that being mostly because I'm a no-go for adventures, whatever that may mean, or physical exercise in itself. I much rather prefer being home and reading articles and gathering information on stuff that I'm intrigued by, that basically being MBTI, psychology overall, multiple fandoms, random facts etc. I was also a big collector in the past. ((gemstones (to this day I still have them), fandom collectibles, toys etc.))

To put it bluntly, I suck at climbing mountains or anything for that matter, and to top it all I'm not even interested in learning how to ride a bike, and running exhausts and bores me despite being fairly lean (that's not to say people of various body types can't do certain physical activities, but there's exceptions and I'm trying to be as clear as possible).

I also remember a lot of stuff about people, I'm capable on quoting other people based on what it is that they said and it fascinates me to see that some of the ones I know don't. I don't remember the past quite clearly though, that being an exception on my part. I'm not big on traditions either, I mostly dismiss them unless it's something important to that of my being.

Although I do love adrenaline and impulsive actions sometimes, and I tend to adapt them as my own if put into a situation that allows to do so within its conditions. Sometimes I will be bored so I will imagine myself in a scenario based on a song and run around my apartment while mimicking certain expressions and expressing myself in physical ways, it might be maladaptive daydreaming but I don't want to self-diagnose myself just yet. I also can't sit still despite disliking said things I said I dislike in this certain paragraph.

Without further ado, I don't know myself too much to know whether I'm Ni/Ne. People mostly think that Ni is predicting the future or random events that have a 30% chance of spawning/happening, which doesn't exactly apply to me unless certain action/event is predictable to everyone around and makes sense for it to happen, but I also read that it is finding quick interest in things and digging deeper, which is precisely what I do. I'll soon find myself dissolving and dragging myself deeper into the rabbit hole of that certain thing I'm interested in. I can be on reddit for relationship advice and end up quickly with 18 tabs all talking about different topics that don't link to oneanother at all.

I would say my Ne is nonexistent, as it relies solely on coming up with one thing, then linking it to another that doesn't make sense but it actually does, as far as I'm aware. However, if we were to talk about me actually having Ne, I would say the only instances in which I'm using it are improvising during said competition or in general (which would explain the general switch in my attitude and vocabulary), or applying it to things that I draw, however, in order for that to happen I need to have an environment that allows me to do so. I'm messy to no ends, but clean, professional-like atmosphere works best for me in terms of imagination and applying pressure ((in this case logic according to vision) to reality.)

My writing tends to be very messy but it still makes sense, and I'm usually done in three minutes in regards to me receiving a topic to base it off of. Even if I don't though, I'm usually done in 5-7 minutes and the text has at least two paragraphs (illegible, fast writing), so maybe that could be considered Ne? However I found that mostly the things I write rely on logic and reality, and they're not really based on a fantasy-like setting because for some reason I deem that clich茅.

I'm really interested in time travel though, as long as it doesn't happen in real life, crushing everything that has happened so far and lessening it to that of 0, replacing each with substances and events differentiating to that of the reality we're presumably in as of now.

So hopefully that told you something to think about if you were thinking about replying in the first place, I don't know you lol. I'd be thankful for any replies of course, however please elaborate on why you think I have Ne, Fi etc., not necessarily like I did but it would be helpful, as it was, and still is, the point of this entire discussion. Apologizes for any grammar mistakes though as I'm sure I told you I'm not native in English lol.

Edit; In case you prefer the traditional questionnaire way, I have one on reddit for all of you to check out depending on your personal interest; I'm generally concerned about what type I may be
 

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If, however, nobody speaks up I'm quick to turn the attention on me. This only happens sometimes though, latest example being my very last English competition that took place 4 months ago at least. Whenever it happens it's like my mood was completely deranged and morphed into something uncomprehensible to my other self. I become obnoxious or loud, my vocabulary expands, and I lead the whole group depending on what it is we should do, which some perceive as maybe slightly annoying, while having trouble with finishing my speech and letting others (in that certain group) talk, in this manner it's also very hard for me to admit I did something wrong, let alone apologize because I feel like it strips me off my confidence, mostly making me appearing weak in the process.
You "morphed" into your ENTJ unconscious in order to command the situation into progression. Good for you. Do not repress this morphing. In fact, grow it, mind your mistakes during this morphing, master it, and it'll give you wisdom as a result.

I'm also capable of manipulating other people based on the needs that they lack. Jealousy is also my middle name as much as I hate to admit it, especially if I helped them to achieve the thing that they did, which to me seems like unhealthy Fe.
Inferior Fe can have IXTPs get stressed out when they judge or perceive as though their affections go unappreciated.

As for Te though, I have a lot to unpack here. To start off, I tend to look down on very optimistic or idealistic people who think they can do and get anything without working for it, Usually, if someone shares a goal that can be done in real life, I lay them a step-by-step plan on how to achieve it, improvising in the process (if it's actually durable). I kind of tend to hate myself for it, because I tend to criticize their thinking a lot, without doing the same for myself, because unlike Te doms, I don't really have any long term dreams or goals for that matter, nor do I have any idea how to get to them if I had any 'comprehensible' ones, which makes me a long-term hypocrite I'd say. I also taught English to quite a few people unknowingly, but whenever that happened I kind of lost half of my vocabulary which was infuriating.
I think you're starting to unwittingly access your ENTJ unconscious. Be careful, because while this part of your psyche does gift you the ability of plotting land for others, it can also have you hate the practice of ambition within that of yourself and others. Wisdom from this unconscious grants effectual change. Ignorance from this unconscious grants wasteful apathy.


Completely off topic, but I also have no idea what I will do with my life, or the future at all. I tend to be very pessimistic realistic on the topic of future, because I interpret big actions that happen now as things that will orientate or possibly dictate the future (Butterfly effect anyone?).
So this here denotes that your Ni is unconscious and pessimistic, which means that it has to be your psychological critic. Be careful of Ni-critic, or else it will decay you into a nihilistic hermit.

Within the topic of Se/Si I tend to lean the Si way, that being mostly because I'm a no-go for adventures, whatever that may mean, or physical exercise in itself. I much rather prefer being home and reading articles and gathering information on stuff that I'm intrigued by, that basically being MBTI, psychology overall, multiple fandoms, random facts etc. I was also a big collector in the past. ((gemstones (to this day I still have them), fandom collectibles, toys etc.))
To gather information that's based on abstractions and theories denotes a preference for things intuitive. This, and I don't perceive a focus for this gathering of information, so your intuitive preference has to be extraverted.

I also remember a lot of stuff about people, I'm capable on quoting other people based on what it is that they said and it fascinates me to see that some of the ones I know don't. I don't remember the past quite clearly though, that being an exception on my part. I'm not big on traditions either, I mostly dismiss them unless it's something important to that of my being.
It's amazing to see Ti-dominance when it's in direct affiliation with Si-tertiary. You quote with precision based on the memory of moment that Si gives you. That's absolutely amazing. I can't do this at all since my Si function is demonic or is placed last in my stacking. Your neutrality of traditions in comparison to my hatred of traditions reflects a respect for Si too. This means that your Si is locked to being dominant-tertiary.

Without further ado, I don't know myself too much to know whether I'm Ni/Ne. People mostly think that Ni is predicting the future or random events that have a 30% chance of spawning/happening, which doesn't exactly apply to me unless certain action/event is predictable to everyone around and makes sense for it to happen, but I also read that it is finding quick interest in things and digging deeper, which is precisely what I do. I'll soon find myself dissolving and dragging myself deeper into the rabbit hole of that certain thing I'm interested in. I can be on reddit for relationship advice and end up quickly with 18 tabs all talking about different topics that don't link to oneanother at all.
That isn't Ni. Ni is the function that perceives internalized concepts and symbolisms from the Se reality given. After this Ni goes on to form insights that are possibly, and I highlight possibly, predictive of their own futures. They cannot predict the future in general. The only function that can predict the vast future is Ne. This comes at the expense of Ne being pessimistic of its own future. This explains why the types who value Ne in their ego all have pessimistic, unconscious Ni. What you described about you dissolving and dragging yourself deeper into the rabbit hole of curiosity is actually Ti, not Ni. Ti-dominants are the specialists of interests because they study relentlessly in order to become the experts of their chosen interests.

I would say my Ne is nonexistent, as it relies solely on coming up with one thing, then linking it to another that doesn't make sense but it actually does, as far as I'm aware. However, if we were to talk about me actually having Ne, I would say the only instances in which I'm using it are improvising during said competition or in general (which would explain the general switch in my attitude and vocabulary), or applying it to things that I draw, however, in order for that to happen I need to have an environment that allows me to do so. I'm messy to no ends, but clean, professional-like atmosphere works best for me in terms of imagination and applying pressure ((in this case logic according to vision) to reality.)
Except that I don't think your Ne is nonexistent, it's just underdeveloped. Auxiliary functions are commonly underdeveloped and this is never good for the ego. Ne is the perception of connective concepts external of oneself. After this, Ne relies on either Ti or Fi to form the pattern. My conjecture is this, you rely too heavily on your Ti-dominance and because of this, you don't give your auxiliary Ne the time to notice anything.

I'm really interested in time travel though, as long as it doesn't happen in real life, crushing everything that has happened so far and lessening it to that of 0, replacing each with substances and events differentiating to that of the reality we're presumably in as of now.
What you said here reflects Ne-Si in direct tandem. When Ne and Si are in direct tandem, the ego reflects a secure curiosity. The only types that have Ne-Si in direct tandem are INFPs and INTPs. To rid of any possible confusion, ESFJs and ESTJs have Si-Ne in direct tandem, which is a bit different from Ne-Si.

Overall, I see you as an INTP who will grow into a very wise INTP if she allows her ENTJ unconscious to develop.
 

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You "morphed" into your ENTJ unconscious in order to command the situation into progression. Good for you. Do not repress this morphing. In fact, grow it, mind your mistakes during this morphing, master it, and it'll give you wisdom as a result.



Inferior Fe can have IXTPs get stressed out when they judge or perceive as though their affections go unappreciated.



I think you're starting to unwittingly access your ENTJ unconscious. Be careful, because while this part of your psyche does gift you the ability of plotting land for others, it can also have you hate the practice of ambition within that of yourself and others. Wisdom from this unconscious grants effectual change. Ignorance from this unconscious grants wasteful apathy.




So this here denotes that your Ni is unconscious and pessimistic, which means that it has to be your psychological critic. Be careful of Ni-critic, or else it will decay you into a nihilistic hermit.



To gather information that's based on abstractions and theories denotes a preference for things intuitive. This, and I don't perceive a focus for this gathering of information, so your intuitive preference has to be extraverted.



It's amazing to see Ti-dominance when it's in direct affiliation with Si-tertiary. You quote with precision based on the memory of moment that Si gives you. That's absolutely amazing. I can't do this at all since my Si function is demonic or is placed last in my stacking. Your neutrality of traditions in comparison to my hatred of traditions reflects a respect for Si too. This means that your Si is locked to being dominant-tertiary.



That isn't Ni. Ni is the function that perceives internalized concepts and symbolisms from the Se reality given. After this Ni goes on to form insights that are possibly, and I highlight possibly, predictive of their own futures. They cannot predict the future in general. The only function that can predict the vast future is Ne. This comes at the expense of Ne being pessimistic of its own future. This explains why the types who value Ne in their ego all have pessimistic, unconscious Ni. What you described about you dissolving and dragging yourself deeper into the rabbit hole of curiosity is actually Ti, not Ni. Ti-dominants are the specialists of interests because they study relentlessly in order to become the experts of their chosen interests.



Except that I don't think your Ne is nonexistent, it's just underdeveloped. Auxiliary functions are commonly underdeveloped and this is never good for the ego. Ne is the perception of connective concepts external of oneself. After this, Ne relies on either Ti or Fi to form the pattern. My conjecture is this, you rely too heavily on your Ti-dominance and because of this, you don't give your auxiliary Ne the time to notice anything.



What you said here reflects Ne-Si in direct tandem. When Ne and Si are in direct tandem, the ego reflects a secure curiosity. The only types that have Ne-Si in direct tandem are INFPs and INTPs. To rid of any possible confusion, ESFJs and ESTJs have Si-Ne in direct tandem, which is a bit different from Ne-Si.

Overall, I see you as an INTP who will grow into a very wise INTP if she allows her ENTJ unconscious to develop.
Thank you for taking time to answer this mess lol. I was potentially wondering about the possibility that I might as well be INXP, so I'm glad for your input on the current article. That being said, I'm going to read more about the "ENTJ unconscious" thing so that I can potentially watch out for any highlighted problems. However, how exactly can my Ne be underdeveloped if it's my auxiliary function? As in, does it have something to do with age, or with how much pressure I am putting onto the other functions at hand? Though the elaboration helped a lot and for that I'm grateful, I'm gonna read more into the functions from reasonable sources and see if they actually apply.
 

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Auxiliary functions tend to be psychologically ignored for two reasons. One, they are either the irrational or rational counterpart to the dominant function. For example, I'll use myself. The INFJ psyche is dominated by introverted intuition. Since intuition is irrational since it's a perception and not a judgment, the auxiliary function will have to be rational and judgment oriented. This is why the INFJ's second function is extraverted feeling. Feeling and thinking functions are rational since they rely on intellectual/emotional processes. Second, the auxiliary function will always be introverted if your dominant function is extraverted and extraverted if your dominant function is introverted. Because the aux. function's attitude is in direct contrast to the natural introversion/extraversion of the dominant function, the dominant function will more than likely prefer to skip over the aux. function and sync up with the childish tertiary function. Theoretically, this is called the psychological dom-tert loop.

Most people find the auxiliary function to be a nuisance because it forces one to overcome their comfort zone for bigger and better horizons. When ignored, the person who is looping will be one with sight, but one without purpose also.
 

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Auxiliary functions tend to be psychologically ignored for two reasons. One, they are either the irrational or rational counterpart to the dominant function. For example, I'll use myself. The INFJ psyche is dominated by introverted intuition. Since intuition is irrational since it's a perception and not a judgment, the auxiliary function will have to be rational and judgment oriented. This is why the INFJ's second function is extraverted feeling. Feeling and thinking functions are rational since they rely on intellectual/emotional processes. Second, the auxiliary function will always be introverted if your dominant function is extraverted and extraverted if your dominant function is introverted. Because the aux. function's attitude is in direct contrast to the natural introversion/extraversion of the dominant function, the dominant function will more than likely prefer to skip over the aux. function and sync up with the childish tertiary function. Theoretically, this is called the psychological dom-tert loop.

Most people find the auxiliary function to be a nuisance because it forces one to overcome their comfort zone for bigger and better horizons. When ignored, the person who is looping will be one with sight, but one without purpose also.
I see, I suppose this explains why I thought that I barely even have Ne, making me gravitate towards other types in response. Regardless, I've also read up on the unconscious/shadow ENTJ, which honestly, explained a lot and I found myself actually imagining myself throughout some of the paragraphs. However, like most, I've read that you only morph into the shadow type if you experience overextended stress, or stress in general, so is there any way this can happen without being in a prolonged state of stress? Because I genuinely don't think I've experienced any psyche-threatening events lately as far as I'm aware, so I suppose my original question is, can anything else trigger this type metamorphosis?
 

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That's very good. The shadow can be one of chaos, but one of order also. Since you don't access your shadow psyche in a chaotic fashion, you must be accessing it in the way of order. The unconscious is typically accessed like this when the ego either perceives or judges it as pertinent for progress. So simply, you are triggering your unconscious ENTJ self because you are aware of how well it can enact progress over your regular INTP self. Don't get it wrong though, your INTP self is still present, it's just that you're temporarily wearing your ENTJ persona in order to make things happen. Prolonged valuing of either the subconscious and/or unconscious self can cause psychological stress. So that's why the persona is only used in temporary time frames.

Did that answer your question? If it didn't, I'll try again.
 

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That's very good. The shadow can be one of chaos, but one of order also. Since you don't access your shadow psyche in a chaotic fashion, you must be accessing it in the way of order. The unconscious is typically accessed like this when the ego either perceives or judges it as pertinent for progress. So simply, you are triggering your unconscious ENTJ self because you are aware of how well it can enact progress over your regular INTP self. Don't get it wrong though, your INTP self is still present, it's just that you're temporarily wearing your ENTJ persona in order to make things happen. Prolonged valuing of either the subconscious and/or unconscious self can cause psychological stress. So that's why the persona is only used in temporary time frames.

Did that answer your question? If it didn't, I'll try again.
I see! So essentially this means that I'm using it for a good cause. I understand now, thanks for elaborating on everything. 馃憣
 
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