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Hi guys,

I know not the most exciting title. “Oh god, another narcissist with another big description of how special they are because of how specific their mannerisms are”, but oh well, what are forums for if not to embrace every humans inner ego? (Not a question, btw, just a rhetorical “I-don’t-really-know-what-I’m-talking-about”.)

I’m really just struggling with knowing if I fit more of the T or F category, because I don’t know about you, but I know how to pinpoint this more through contextual behaviors and vibes and then applying mbti principles to that. That, and I never really use mbti to look at myself but more to identify it in others.

Hmmm. Trying to think of how to make this interesting for you. Do you guys prefer dot points?

Let’s see...

I have no filter. I have a compulsion to say things and I do because I can’t be bothered holding myself back.

I don’t really get why others do the things they do, or more like, I do, but, what I get from that frustrates me.

I question a lot of things, particularly in respect to how something works, what something says about something. For example, I was questioning just the other day how rules don’t usually subscribe to a logical foundation but more to just an individual’s idea of how things should be. Aka, I complain a lot.

I hate it when people need factual evidence to consider anything. People should consider other factors rather than just “what’s physically there”. It’s a big reason as to why I am confused as to whether or not I’m a feeler or thinker, because I don’t necessarily go for “justice” because I don’t think justice is always necessarily justice.

Although a lot of my goals revolve around intellectual pursuits (wanting to read more, find out more about theories around physics and science, learn an instrument) I never get around to doing them because I need short term, instant pleasure, if that makes sense rather than extended, low energy pleasure over time. ENGLISH!! So I end up returning to routinous, dead-head activities like YouTubing and watching tv series.

I know one of the drawing factors which tends to provoke my interest in something is the element of people, relationships and personality. I like knowing how people get along and finding patterns and similarities there. Like a web. I like finding out about people. In saying that though, I don’t like going out with people unless I’m already out there. Like, knowing I’m travelling all that way just to satisfy social needs makes me anxious. On the other hand though ;), if it of a more secluded and private nature I don’t mind. Sound like a creep.

I’ve been told that I am sensitive. I don’t really see it. But I have had a lot of conflicts with people so if we’re going by numbers, then...tsk. Apparently I’m quite good and impartial when I’m okay, but I also have mood swings and am affectionate with the ones I love. I also require a lot of privacy though and time to myself, so sometimes it can irritate me when I’m doing something and people distract me or ask for help, or want me to spend time with them.

Another reason why I can’t tell if I’m thinker or feeler is,

I like to do things just for the feel of it, just to see and experiment a bit. Get a view or picture. So, if I’m bored and with a group of people I don’t really care about or hold much relation to, I’ll say awkward things just because I’m bored, not bothered filtering, and half want to see what they’ll say or think or react.

I think a lot about who i am and who other think I am. Not so much for the deep ness of it, more just feeding an egotistical side of myself really.

Okay. I’m done.

Please ask any questions and thanks will be given to those who help (not against thank collectors, I’m an advocate for the currency here on personalitycafe).


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Hi @UberY0shi

Thanks for your reply. I generally find that these test questions, particularly the cognitive function ones, are a bit difficult to answer. For example, “I judge attitudes and something according my values, beliefs and something something”, who doesn’t? How else can you judge things?

But I did the test anyway, here are my results:

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************(19.5)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ***************************(25.9)
average use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************************(42)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *******************************(29.5)
average use
extraverted Thinking (Te) **********************(20.2)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************************(43.7)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *********************(19.2)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *****************************************(39.8)
excellent use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP
Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Thinking (Ti): Gaining leverage (influence) using a framework. Detaching to study a situation from different angles and fit it to a theory, framework or principle. Checking for accuracy. Using leverage to solve the problem.

Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.
If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENTP, or INFP

Te (Extroverted Thinking) (35%)
your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods
Ti (Introverted Thinking) (55%)
your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational
Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (65%)
your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli
Ni (Introverted Intuition) (70%)
your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity
Se (Extroverted Sensing) (35%)
your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment
Si (Introverted Sensing) (30%)
your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments
Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (30%)
your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups
Fi (Introverted Feeling) (60%)
your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment
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based on your results your type is likely - intj




So what type would you be going for? From both, you know, description and results?
 

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So you connect with Ni? Interesting. You scored as INTP on the first test, strong Fi as well. Which one of these do you connect with most?

Ni: http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/120527622637/how-functions-work-dominant-ni-intjinfj

  • focus: observing context and interpreting meaning
  • explores meaningful patterns from different perspectives
  • cultivated through making inferences based on vaguely familiar patterns
  • maintains a flexible and interpretive approach to life, carefully filtering words, concepts, signs, symbols, metaphors, abstractions in order to construct a personalized vision/theory of the world
  • values knowledge/objects that have personal symbolic significance or predictive power (tend to have interests that strike others as unpredictable)
  • driven to seek out meaning, truth, insight, knowledge
  • makes decisions based on extrapolating future developments
  • defines true knowledge in terms of understanding how meanings, perspectives, or standpoints can be manipulated or changed (mental constructs are real but arbitrarily defined, therefore a change in definition can produce a change in perspective)
  • knows that exploring perception itself: 1) strengthens the power of imagination and reveals the boundaries/limitations of what is known, 2) makes progress in the external world by pinpointing and questioning the (faulty) underlying assumptions that underpin belief systems, 3) anchors the self by imbuing personally significant concepts, ideals, values, or theories with a reality of their own, 4) reduces conflict by honoring truth, authenticity, and long term vision
  • defines social relationships in terms of realizing “ideals” (how people live up to their latent potential)
  • interprets social relationships through meaningful actions that affirm the quality/strength of the relationship
  • inspires others by being the focal point of people’s sense of mystery regarding the unknown or unexplored aspects of human existence
Fi: http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/120699248482/how-functions-work-dominant-fi-isfpinfp

  • focus: the nature of first-hand human experience
  • explores the many different facets of psychological well-being
  • cultivated through reconciling new sense impressions with an experiential conception of “good” or “bad”
  • maintains a responsive and sensitive approach to life, constantly filtering experiences in a way that honors personal needs and boundaries (of self and/or others)
  • values the unconditional and universal aspects of human experience
  • driven to maintain a solid sense of personal integrity (by aligning the internal and external worlds whenever possible)
  • makes decisions based on preserving harmony among inner psychological processes (thoughts, opinions, beliefs, feelings, etc.) and using personal values to understand and care for others
  • defines true knowledge in terms of understanding how individual experience can be universalized to reveal larger fundamental human truths and values
  • knows that respecting individual human life and experience: 1) forms the foundation of our collective identity as a society (we can judge a society based on how it treats its individual members), 2) supports and makes space for the creative expression that society needs to flourish beyond mere survival, 3) anchors the self by imbuing thoughts and actions with moral significance, 4) reduces conflict by maximizing acceptance of individual differences, promoting freedom from group/societal conditioning so that everyone can renegotiate roles, duties, needs, desires, or goals as necessary (live and let live).
  • defines social relationships in terms of “fluidity” (each individual bringing whatever they can of themselves whenever they can)
  • interprets social relationships in terms of the degree of freedom to navigate and adjust individual needs and desires
  • inspires others by becoming the focal point of people’s most noble and high-minded values, especially through leading by example and providing a moral compass to steer social trends

Ti: http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/120611652457/how-functions-work-dominant-ti-istpintp

  • focus: how variables move and imply a larger system
  • organizes objects based on conditionals (if-then statements)
  • cultivated through observing how parts are related to a whole
  • maintains a detached and deconstructionist approach to life, constantly trying to work out how variables interact to affect the overall function or purpose of a system (trial and error)
  • values intelligence, knowledge, experience, mastering skills
  • driven to competently solve problems by flexibly and logically coordinating behaviors with immediate circumstances
  • makes decisions based on estimating probabilities (calculated risks)
  • defines true knowledge as learning how to manipulate rules and variables to produce the best outcomes
  • knows that understanding how a system works: 1) gives individuals an advantage by knowing how to navigate the world more flexibly and effectively, 2) allows people to stabilize groups, communities, societies by carefully identifying problems and fixing them in a coherent manner, 3) can anchor the self by feeling useful in solving problems and integrating fluidly into the larger organization or society (finding purpose wherever they are needed the most), 4) reduces conflict by adjusting and refining knowledge of cause and effect to get better outcomes
  • defines social relationships in terms of “workability” (experimenting with the impact of behaviors to figure out the best actions)
  • interprets social relationships in terms of actions that show a willingness to invest time, care, and effort
  • inspires people through mental agility in solving problems, especially by being calm, resourceful, and effective in difficult or complicated situations
You miiiiight be in a situation similar to mine (??), in the sense that you're an INFP but you come across as an INTP because of a strong intellectual side with the whole research, learning, etc.
Perhaps enneagram would help seal the deal? Heh, test after test...


I'm getting a feeling you'd score 5 somewhere in here: https://trans4mind.com/rheti_html/test.html
 

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Hmmm, I’m not really sure which I most relate to there because those descriptions are really technical. I mean they’re good, they’re just technical. My brother’s an intp and I’d have to search really hard to find examples to relate back to that specific of a description even though I know for sure he’s Intp.

Thanks so much though.

Do you maybe have any questions of your own, seeing as you might be in the same dilemma as myself?

Ps- did the quiz and got 5w4-8w7-4w5

Scored highest individually for 4
 

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Yeah, as expected you're an enneagram 5, but you're also INFP quite likely. You even got 4w5. 8w7 is interesting though.

Do you have personal values that don't necessarily align with what society expects? Fi.

Ti is about logical accuracy and precision.

Ni is about seeing interconnected patterns and random "ah ha" moments of insight/clarity.

I'm stuck between INFP/INTJ for your type.

How about these descriptions?

INFP - Jung Type Descriptions
INTJ - Jung Type Descriptions
INTP - Jung Type Descriptions
 

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Social norms, social norms.... personal values... I’m generally not good at smooth sailing in social situations and I think it’s because I’m mostly unaware of how I come off or I say things that make people a bit uncomfortable also socialising can make me feel irritated and I show it (which in my opinion, is against social norms, social norms want you carry a certain amiability). Personal values...

I think most of people are needy and dependent and sensitive and my own values of wanting freedom and independence and truth and a sort of integrity behind systems and people can cause issues there. For example, people preach to me the importance behind being non judgemental, so then I test them, say what I want about something (not necessarily true to myself, or it might be if not bothered lying) and then I see their true thoughts on “being nonjudgemental” because even though they say that, they mean non judgemental to views which are positive exclusively. If something isn’t to their sensitivities, they won’t want to hear it. You know what I mean? I mean, it’s fine they can be judgemental, just don’t go around preaching it, because I don’t get why, are they like ashamed and can’t face it? It’s annoying. I’d rather they just be judgemental and know they are that way, make it easier for everyone.

Is that what you meant? Sorry long.
 

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I think what people mean by being non-judgmental is that people won't ascribe moral conclusions about you based on what you believe. Or rather, accepting you believe what you believe because X, Y, Z, not necessarily because you're inherently "bad". Usually a "non-judgmental" person would be slower to conclude something about you based on what you have said/believe, or may ask questions to figure out the reasonings behind what you say and whatnot. But they can and will disagree with you and discussing such matters can create a lot of emotional friction. Not sure, but anyway,

Give me an example, test me (lol) and say something that may cause me to judge you. Or more specifically, what's something you say that causes people to disagree with you or judge you? I'm trying to figure out if your values/beliefs are personally deduced or stem from societal attitudes.

But so far, I'm getting Fi vibes from you, self-expression attitude. I mean you are an Iconoclast... I REAAALLY doubt Fe users are 5w4.

say what I want about something and then I see their [reaction]
I connect with this sooooooo much, I do this all the time, hahahaha.

Anyway, maybe you are an INFP/INTJ. Not INTP though I doubt it. Stronger F vibes rather than T.
 
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