[Bergapten]

Hello,

I am new to this forum, but my (currently) month long journey into both MBTI and cognitive functions has been interesting enough for me to start posting here (posting on online forums is something I never usually do). One comes up fairly consistently in the online tests, but I am vacillating between a few types due to the cognitive functions, so I would be curious to see what others thought my MBTI type is.

I have filled out this questionnaire, but if further inspection is required I am happy to answer any questions or further questionnaires if need be.

P.S: It bugs me that there is a typo in my title! Heh.


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0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

I am a 24 year old male from Australia, who is currently in a rest year between my Medical Science and Juris Doctor degrees. Current state of mind is balanced; no other issues or indications to report.

1. Click on this link. Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.

I cannot post images or links, as my post count is too low - I will store the photo, and maybe I can message if you really need the photo?​

On first inspection, it’s a dilapidated house or business with many doors, mostly opened (though some are closed on the right hand side). It looks quite a lot like a horror movie/game scene, so my first instinct would be to check if this was used as mental health facility or if something bad (nondescript) happened here, as it just has that vibe to it. Even with the skylight, it just seems off. It seems like a YouTuber ghost/paranormal filming paradise!

I guess the older features and the paint peeling give it an old, yet slightly creepy vibe as well, on second inspection. And the random bathtub at the end of the hallway would make me nervous that there was something more to this place that met the eye. I would have to keep guard at all times, if this was reality.

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

I would imagine that my partner would at least be in the car with me, as we go together for these sorts of things. I’d initially be upset, as I would have planned this trip well, (or if I hadn’t I would rely on my partner to do so and trust he had come up with the basis for it), and I wouldn’t have foreseen this coming. My initial outward reaction would be to stay calm, however, as my partner would be freaking out and desperately coming up with solutions. I would calm down and trust that he would come up with the right solution, listening to them.

If he didn’t, or got too overloaded [which happens quite often], I would take charge and make sure that we got out of the situation as well as we can, as I would normally take charge with my ideas unless someone has a controlling schema (which my partner does). My mind might be frenetic if everyone else was freaking out, however.

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

I wouldn’t really want to go, and - to be honest - I would resent having to stay out later. At least initially. I would probably question staying for it, and if they were hesitant or I had any physical/mental discomfort I would probably advise them to not stay.

If they really wanted to stay I’d do so, as it’d be easier to stay than to make the last minute arrangements home initially. Hopefully the driver stayed sober and we were not there too long, particularly if I got overloaded from the loud music or people (which could definitely happen) or if it got too rowdy (though it’s unlikely, there’s probably alcohol involved).

If I had to get out of there and everyone wanted to stay, I would be quite grumpy and would leave the party to sit in the car. I’d just make the plans to go home myself if I had assessed that I needed to.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

Inwardly I would question why they had those views, though I would probably scale my reaction depending on how badly they encroached on my beliefs.

If it was fundamental to who I was or how I lived (i.e: they espoused homophobic beliefs), I would likely try to voice my opinion, initially through innocuous questioning. If they were civil/logical, I would stay civil/logical too, even if I disagreed heavily. If they tried to get into a sledging match, it’d probably become more personal and I would hit bellow the belt at whatever I could grab.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

In regards to beliefs, I probably would size up what the clash was and how big the situation was; depending on the situation, I would most likely act accordingly (if a bit tentative at the start). If it was a situation that would harm another and was quickly escalating, I would likely intervene (unless I was quite scared for my well-being). If I could see it was not going to escalate, and/or was only a minor breach to my beliefs, I would leave it alone.

Experiences would be more of a “how is this different? Is it better or worse? What is different fundamentally?” If it was better, I would probably class it as a good experience and learn from it/implement it. If worse, I would questions why that experience was the way it was and try to rationalise it, then take the appropriate action.

Habits are harder for me - my partner is the only person who can break me out of my habits, and even he struggles with quite a few of them. If someone’s habits clashed with mine, I’d have a hard time dealing with it, as I like those particular routines.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

Family are very important in my life, as they have very much pulled me up and made me a better person; as an extension, love is very much a catalyst for that. Stemming from family, success and money would be right up there (more so money than success), as I have seen my family struggle and I do not want that for myself, and for my family. (If it clarifies it further, I would use my money on both luxury and my family, so that they didn’t have to worry about money again).

Power has recently become a bigger value in my life also, for two reasons:

- A slight power differential between my partner and I. He never flaunts it, but he is a successful psychiatrist and I inherently feel the need to match him in “importance”; though I know that is relative, it awakens competition and a hunger that has always been there.
- I see the way people in power utterly abuse it now, and - whilst I have never been overly altruistic or help-the-world based - I would like to counterbalance the rampant stupidity some leaders and power figures wield now. I don’t know if I’d follow through, but it feels like I would right now.

As for changing them, it would have to be a massive falling out with the family, or a very unhappy work/school environment, to shift me from the beliefs I hold now.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

A) My intelligence seems to come up a lot with people, as well as my aloofness, when I first meet new people. Eventually, people that I get to know seem to drop the aloof adjective and tack on “funny”. If you had just asked me, I would also pick intelligence, as well as my off-beat remarks and humour.

B) Probably how severe and formal I come across to people on first inspection. I truly think people can be scared of me sometimes, though people assure me that I am slightly exaggerating. If people close to me had to say anything, I would guess they’d tell you my tendency to obsess over work/school/MBTI tests!

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

Gut feelings are triggered a fair amount, though I have a tendency to rationalise them a lot before I let them circulate. It mostly comes across in academics; knowledge often comes from an initial gut feeling that - in a nanosecond of thought - I realise is information I have studied or come across. In larger cases, I have to shut myself out, listen to music and “dance” around a small space for a few hours, simmering over everything that comes into my mind, until I have the feeling I know where I need to go. That’s the hardest part of academics, for me; after that moment, I am ususally good.

I also get gut feelings about social situations, too, though not as often. An example of this was with my ex-partner: He had an old friend who, long story short, had had sex with him previously. He had asked for celebratory drinks at a nightclub on a weekend one day in a text, with no invite for me. I had such a horrible gut reaction that this man was jealous and wanted to sleep with my partner, that I felt physically ill due to it. It ended up being the case, even though my ex initially though I was insane. I have had a few of those moments in my lifetime.

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

A) The music listening and “dancing around” activity I mentioned in question 8 is very energising, though I only do it when I am really pondering/imagining things. I often have to play video games or just read random knowledge/news/forums on the internet to recharge my batteries.

B) Socialising with strangers and crowds, absolutely. They drain me very, very quickly. I get overwhelmed, and I just need to get away and go back to a quiet place.

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

I mostly just try to repress my thoughts around strangers, because I am not good at initialising conversation and I don’t want to be seen as inept when I talk to people - that could possibly stem from adolescent bullying, though. I also I have a tendency to repress opinions that are off the cuff and not fully formed, as I do not like to be wrong about certain things.

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Thank you for taking the time out to evaluate this questionnaire and - if you have any further questions - let me know.

Bergapten​

 

[Bergapten]

I have decided to fill out yet another questionnaire, as I was very much bored with my own introspection. This one took me a while, but I think it’s slightly more raw than the first. I decided to put this in a new post, as this much information in one post will just overwhelm, me thinks.

Feel free to read both, only one, or just skim and pick out if you got that gut feeling.

Thank you in advance,
Bergapten


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1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

I am a 24 year old Australian male. I have a cold, but that’s the only consideration I could even possibly think of. I am of stable mind.

2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

I identify with both, but the second photo is too mundane for my tastes; too...conventional. I would see someone do that every single day going to Uni or work. The first speaks to me from an aesthetic point of view, as well as it being more breathtaking - it would be much more unlikely to see in my lifetime. I would have loved to be where the photographer was at that point in time.

I would describe that photo as being a light phenomena, but none of my words could do it justice. It transcends any word you could try to ascribe to it.

3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?

It would heavily depend on the person I was catering the cover letter for. Also supposing it was for a job or other formal process (likely), I would be more formal than if I was just larking about. I would likely try to highlight my key abilities, as well as how my past achievements would tie into what they would exactly need for their future employee.

4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

I would absolutely like to be able to be a person who could earn enough money to be successful. In fact, I often daydream about what it would be like to finish my degree and obtain a very high ranking law position, so that I could be comfortable and respected. It’s a big motivator in my life, and it’s who I would most like to be, deep down. Anything else would be inauthentic.

I would dislike constantly being a person subjected to human interaction, or being a celebrity. This may seem like a paradox, but the key to success and money does not always lie at the feet of fame. Fame is inherently overrated, and popularity/human interaction is very draining on a large scale.

5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

I think there would be quite a difference, actually - people tend to tell me that I am intimidating and intelligent the first time they meet me, and I still can NEVER understand the intimidation aspect. I also tend to be book smart, probably due to my memory, but otherwise I always pale in comparison to my family, intelligence wise...at least that’s how I feel. People also would probably remark that I can get very lost in my own head - my partner has a big tendency to look at me so queerly when I have “strange” thought patterns that I vocalise. But I don’t necessarily think of them that way, although they can come from some very strange moments of introspection sometimes...

6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.

I value intelligence, honesty, humour, integrity, unconventionality, introspection, kindness, empathy and free spirited thought above all else. Honourable mentions to success and money, as tangible goals.

7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

I have been, historically, very bad at dealing with change and new situations. I get extremely flustered and then get so stressed I cannot see future possibilities (like I always try to do to calm me down). An example was my partner just throwing it on me that we were going away for an extended weekend at fairly short notice, and I internally became extremely frazzled. I ended up asking too many questions that apparently seemed “critical and like I didn’t want to do it”, and he got extremely annoyed with me.

My partner has actually helped me quite a lot in dealing with change, but I still really dislike that sinking feeling of changing plans.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

Above is an example. But the type of stressor can really have a big impact on how I react. I have a tendency to withdraw and avoid stressors completely, if they are things I foresee I cannot control. One of those was a particularly stressful assignment - normally I am very good at time management, but I just let this one get too out of control and it became too much. I withdrew, and kept hating myself for my endless procrastination.

Things I can mull over and try to push through are dealt with much better.

9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

I generally get a very, very warm feeling radiating through my body. It makes me extremely happy on the inside, though that sometimes doesn’t translate as well on the outside. I will have a tendency to listen to some uplifting music and sonetimes move around rhythmically to those songs (I am an ex-professional dancer, so that self-expression sometimes busts through). I shut everyone out and just feel my own elation and body when I do that - there is no one else, and that is exactly the way I like it.

10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?

...is torturous appropriate? Heh. I find socialisation extremely draining, to the point where I have to physically escape and recharge by pondering/being in my own head. I have to shut out. The interesting thing, though, is that I am not entirely awful at it; I just think I am, and it takes a heck of a lot out of me. I hate blending in.

One-on-one can be lovely, if with family/chosen few. Apart from that, it is still very, very draining. If the topic doesn’t rely on small talk, but rather theory and other topics I deem to be deipnosophic so I can be in my own head, then it can be rewarding.

Groups? Forget it. I tend to get drowned out. Additionally, the pointless minutiae is...well...pointless, heh. If in a work setting I can survive by leading, and telling them how to do things.

11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?

My relationship with society is one of both tolerance and intolerance. That is, I tolerate it as I need it to survive and get to my future, but it doesn’t really tolerate me. I cannot pause and think/take a breather (violates social norms), I dislike that we have to share values that collate vaguely to the status quo in order to prevent snipes and debate (no massively unique values), and that we have to have traditional times within the year to celebrate. I prefer non-monetised holidays that I can spend with family and friends, or even by myself.

That said, the few people who get me are my everything. I am extremely grateful to them, as I am largely apathetic to everyone else.

12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?

Authority is something you sometimes have to deal with, and have a healthy awareness of. But I have often defied it.

Example: I hated school, for its hierarchy, structure, spoon feeding, bullying and teachers that - either brilliant or stupid beyond reason - had to be treated the same way. I would never get in trouble, but I frequently skipped classes and didn’t see authority as the be all and end all. I respect those who deserve respect, and I expect that to be paid in kind. And enabling bullying and rampant stupidity? Nuh-uh.

I also had frequent run-ins with the truancy office as a school child - I could eloquently explain my absences, which were sometimes fabrications, heh. I got good grades, so they weren’t too interested.

13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

I have a good mix of both. My house is just AWFUL in dirtiness and clutter right now, as my VERY INFP partner is an absolute disgrace with that (there are some life circumstances, too). Sometimes it makes me feel sick and I have to act in a way to restore SOME order, but mostly I tell myself that mess can be order in itself...

But my computer files? Categorised and sub-categorised. My future is planned fairly well. I try to predict my future outcomes and what happens with my life.

Order doesn’t necessarily mean rituals and sorting, though. Order for me can be just listening to my inner voices and doing what it is I exactly want. I hardly go to sleep on schedule, as I am too interested in my obsessions (like right now) and getting lost in the web of knowledge/my head and thoughts. Those same reasons are the reasons I will abandon my (normally) punctual schedule. I tend to get things done but in my own time and own way. Order and chaos are only what you make of them.

14. What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

I fear that I will never be successful, and that my life will manifest in eternal meaningless. I constantly mull over what it would mean to fail, and what that would mean for my family, partner and friends. I guess the concept of dying makes its way in there too, as the time limit for success and meaning is death; even if I were to be successful after I died, it would matter not to me.

To that effect, I both think and act in a way that will most likely prevent that from occurring, which involves construction of my future endeavours. I also try to shift my thoughts into accepting the ability to place relative unimportance onto those subjective meanings; a big example being comparing my worries to others (relative privation CAN work...sometimes).

15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

I desire success and meaning, with tangible money output. As for what that means to me, I tried to explain that previously but it can be quite difficult - it shifts from time to time. At one point, having novel scientific theories was considered being palpably successful at one point, but as I had achieved that, I realised that I found that wholly impractical and didn’t measure it as a success. My body just...doesn’t recognise it as a success anymore. I cannot explain the abrupt shift.

My mind seems to enjoy the possibility of practical intelligence (law practice), possible top tier success and subsequent monetary payout as success, but I sometimes see flashes of images that tell me that it might not bring me the fruits I desire. I am not sure, though it is the most certain future I can see. I think the meaning of my life may never truly be internally solved, but I trust my ability to get to somewhere I will at least be somewhat proud of.

16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

Socialisation drains me the most, absolutely. Crowds and intense sensory experiences do, too; I am VERY easily overwhelmed. As for energy energising, it is most just internal thought, T.V/internet/video games, and knowledge gathering.

17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.

I want to achieve self-discovery, first and foremost. Because I have always been different. People have never fully understood me from very early on, even my parents (though my mother is the closest). And I think having a type will bring some sort of informational closure, as I am heavily guessing I am INTJ.

I have tested mainly as an INTJ in MBTI, an INTj in socionics, 5w6 enneagram with a strong 1 (only taken once), and an RCOEI in the Big Five. They all point to INTJ, though someone on here pointed towards ISTJ (and it wasn’t half bad reasoning). Those two, plus INTP, seem the most likely three. I was definitely most confident with INTJ, due to consistency over many personality platforms and a gut feeling. If I have to fully disclose, being the same type as Moriarty and (possibly) Baelish isn’t half bad, either.

I have done the K2G before, but I hardly remember. I think all the introverted functions, plus Te, were fairly high. I got INTJ as most likely, that I know.

18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?

Not much more to say, as I think two questionnaires should pretty much cover it; I wouldn’t want to add superfluous information. If you have any questions, ask me.

 

[Bergapten]

Shameless bump, but also a bump with extra information.

I made a 10 minute video of myself here:

It’s, combined, very long, but hopefully it all helps. Again, thank you.

 

[atruebluescreen]

It wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion, but my top two guesses would have been ISxJ (followed by INxJ).

There is a concern about fairness and that the world does not adhere to it, but in your goals you have a practical outlook -- principled, but not overly ambitious. You lean toward introspection which is a common IN trait, but I think is also very common in more introverted and/or intelligent S-types. You cite family as most important to you and that your habits are extraordinarily hard to break, so although you aren't traditional in ah the traditional sense, I think you have leanings in that direction. You seem methodical and conscientious in your approach, add this to the fact that you are studying medicine, I think it would be easier for SJs to stick with this sort of grueling career when they don't have any particular passion for the subject of medicine (I get the impression that you aren't wildly enthralled with the science because you don't mention it in any question asking about your hobbies and wishes, which center around people close to you and the world being in general a smarter place.)

Additionally, that you've taken this many tests but haven't settled on INTJ indicates that somewhere in you, you don't entirely relate to what you've researched on that type--which suggests that either inside you suspect you're a different type or you're simply at that point where personality typing break down, hehe. So I do think of you fitting MBTI Si-dom better, though given how different socionics appears to be, I wouldn't be surprised if you were also INTj there.

 

[Bergapten]

It wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion, but my top two guesses would have been ISxJ (followed by INxJ).

Yes, the two I resonate the strongest with are ISTJ and INTJ.

There is a concern about fairness and that the world does not adhere to it, but in your goals you have a practical outlook -- principled, but not overly ambitious. You lean toward introspection which is a common IN trait, but I think is also very common in more introverted and/or intelligent S-types. You cite family as most important to you and that your habits are extraordinarily hard to break, so although you aren't traditional in ah the traditional sense, I think you have leanings in that direction.You seem methodical and conscientious in your approach, add this to the fact that you are studying medicine, I think it would be easier for SJs to stick with this sort of grueling career when they don't have any particular passion for the subject of medicine (I get the impression that you aren't wildly enthralled with the science because you don't mention it in any question asking about your hobbies and wishes, which center around people close to you and the world being in general a smarter place.)

Fair points. I think that is where I get a bit confused on my SJ or NJ status, as I definitely have overarching NJ traits but more subtle SJ traits, also. I am quite studious (thank you for noticing), but generally only with things I love. I am actually studying Law, not medicine. Medicine was, believe it or not, a love of mine, but I chose not to pursue it because of the very reasons you mentioned. I think the long, gruelling process of study, internship, registrar training did not sit well with me; I have seen it with my partner (who is a psychiatrist), and he frequently told me he would never do it again over clarinet playing [hes an INFP, by the way].

So I chose law, as I saw how much it suited me, how much I like it upon much reflection and then I just...saw myself, 10 years later, very happy in a high up position in a prestigious law firm.

You are right on the science front, though. I like it, but I couldn’t do it as a research Ph.D (even though everyone kept urging me, as they thought I was great at it and I had truly novel ideas) because I couldn’t stomach the buerocracy and narrow minded vision the people had in academia.

Additionally, that you've taken this many tests but haven't settled on INTJ indicates that somewhere in you, you don't entirely relate to what you've researched on that type--which suggests that either inside you suspect you're a different type or you're simply at that point where personality typing break down, hehe. So I do think of you fitting MBTI Si-dom better, though given how different socionics appears to be, I wouldn't be surprised if you were also INTj there.

I have had a feeling of realisation that I was INTJ a week ago (just how I come up within ideas, my Te backing up seemingly abstract, formless ideas nd general descriptions), but I am honest about how much I overanalyse things. That is very non-INTJ, and it is probably the only thing I do not relate to in deeper descriptions of the type. But I don’t relate to everything ISTJ, either. I think I am just going through everything with a fine toothed comb now, and I am at that point of saturation where I am trying to analyse why I am like every single cognitive function, heh.

Thank you very much for typing me, and you got what I was toying with to a T with salient points, so that was a nice affirmation.