[anony321]

Okay, i stupidly posted this in the regular cognitive functions forum..
So here it is, copy pasted from there:
First of all, greetings, am a new user here.

This is one of those times when i doubt what my type really is, though this one has caused me to think unusually hard for the past couple of days.
Non-exhaustive list on things i can relate with from the 3 types in question based on my understanding after extensive browsing (still not an expert) and discussions:
>INFJ

• Can easily get lost in thought/detach from the present moment to ponder about things, from inter-relational related things to "very deep theories about the basic functionings of the universe" (really took my time to try and word this)
• Very future oriented
• Can somewhat see through other people (though not always accurate, (i also consider the closest friend i think i've had so far, an enfp, very hard to read))
• Very logical, somewhat calculative and generally very curious person (though my close enfp friend pointed out to me that i tend to strangely push through mathematical problems directly, instead of simplifiying them beforehand ; in his word, "overcomplicate matters")
• Can also deconstruct various concepts into the human language (to aid in explaining them to other people)
• Can somewhat form chain of events (oftentimes about people) following the 'present' based on various factors (that same enfp friend, also unexpectedly to him, noticed my, in his words, "psychological instinct" and told me that i would make a "great advisor")
• In a nutshell, conclusions for things can somehow come naturally to me ; my teachers have also affirmed me that
  apparently, i think several steps ahead.
• Easily miss some details in favour of the big picture (notable examples include very very minor mistakes that costs me my grade in school tests)
• Can somewhat easily relate with other people, even when our lifestyles differ greatly from each other, therefore giving me quiet a good understanding of people.
• A very private(likewise with an isfj?) person, i'm quiet silent and would appear "unexpressive" with mere acquaintances and or friends that i give very little trust with my "self". I can be very outgoing with the right people, and also to an extent with strangers online using the cover of anonimity.
• Although still very oftenly misunderstood, i can adapt myself to various social settings, though i can't really fit in completely in a single group even when i want to.
• very self-righteous way back when i'm younger (very very outgoing too), though i'm currently learning self-control to control my emotions. Doing pretty good so far.
• When i get stressed, i don't overindulge with the sensory pleasures in the same manner as other infjs, though what i do is i would stay up very late, overindulging in the sensory pleasure of being awake and aware
• ironically, it's hard for me to rate or describe myself when told to ; this was supposed to originally be a very short list but things i store in my head about myself kept coming to me while writing this (at around the 2 hour mark by the time i wrote this)
• some people (among them, infjs) i've met in online groups told me that i'm very mature, and often time more than them, even though i'm considerably younger than them. I personally think that i'm still quiet immature and it shows sometime. I just think that i'm just in the "phase".
• my enfp friend (whose also an overachiever, who often engage and often come out victorious in debate competitions), told me that i have my way with words and made remarks that my vocabulary is on par, if not more than his, and that it only shows when i'm with people i trust with greater portions of my "self" (i never trust other people with my "self" fully, not even to him and my parents).
• Used to be an optimist, now i'm more of a realist with a slight preference to pessimism.
• Hard for me to witness great sufferings, i would suffer too inside
• I prefer to finish my assignments as early as possible, though i end up procrastinating many times due to general laziness (due to exhaust?) and overthinking. Almost like an infp
• Not that big into poetry, mostly just because i would simply just cringe the hell out of myself trying to write one ; i prefer to keep my thoughts in my head
• Even when i'm angry, can't resist the urge to smile when someone acts hilariously, likewise when someone's very mad, i would sometimes be able to feel the anger, though i would still (or at least, attempt to) maintain a calm demeanour ; would assist in giving assistance if needed ; i can't detect/absorb someone's emotion of someone across the room, not that strong of an empath, i would say i'm rather weak.
• I quiet dig dark humour

>ISFJ

• Can be very practical
• Somewhat grounded to reality
• Loves world history (i might elaborate why if needed later), although i major in the natural sciences (and also quiet decent at it)
• Memorizes relatively easily
• Thinks about other people and how they perceive me, a lot ; very self-conscious (similar to an infj? though i've been told that self-consciousness is a "turbulent" thing, which i definitely am),
• Can be somewhat nostalgic as in, i can recall things in the past although with varying degrees of accuracy (can be very vague, can also be quiet detailed) i can remember a few beautiful memories with quiet a good amount of details, but often time terrible memories would also return to me with quiet a lot of details and haunt me during times of great stress (usually have something to do with (what i think is) my relation with others)
• Requires clear definitions in a discussion (a sensor's thing? , my main reason for this is to make sure that me and the person(s) i'm discussing me with is in the same page ; also one of the reason mbti makes me think very hard, the explanations are often very vague, sort of like the forer's effect)
• Can be somewhat sensitive, in the context of the 5 senses ; though i would somehow detach from it at a moment's notice
• Also at times, i happen to factor in past experiences while attempting to form a conclusion
• I'm an art hobbyist, i've always loved to draw things, though i've only really seriously been learning about this for less than a year, and my skills have increased exponentially since what i started with earlier this year. As a result, i can more easily perceive visual sensory informations about my surroundings, and then apply it to the media i use ; have also been called "artistic".
• Have always been a visual learner
• Though i like to learn theoretically, i also feel the need to experience things hands on.
• Have been told that if i'm a Ni, i should've knew what my type is all along (also applicable with infp)
• Would jokingly play the grammar nazi, although i've misgrammar'd (made up word(?)) and get typos' too at times. I may have misgrammar'd almost this entire post as i'm typing right now, i do admit that wording these stuff is quiet challenging.
• Though i like to stray off the beaten path at times, after i found a new "path" or "way of doing things", i would prefer to use that again in the future repeatedly until i feel the need to innovate again. One good example would be my play style in Age of Empires 2. I tried some civs at first but i finally settled with the Japanese. I would always pick the Japanese culture because it gives bonus for infantry units and i generally play infantry. Although i might change my playstyle a bit depending on the situation, i generally stay in that same template since it's the one i'm used to the most, at this point.

>INFP

• I have a somewhat poor time management ; i tend to take my time
• Depending on the situations, i like to have my options open-ended
• I have quiet a wide range of interest, though i'm not sure if it's as wide as an infp would normally have.
• I mentioned that i can adapt myself to various social situations, but i still find it hard to adapt or interact with people with people that has values that conflicts too great with mine even though i understand where they are coming from. I can be somewhat apathetic and appear (or what i perceieve to be, often the main subject when i have occasional (although relatively light compared to others) mental breakdowns) selfish
• I try to somewhat stay true to my values? iirc this also apply to infjs
• Can be somewhat self-centered, though i understand that self-centeredness isn't really the "correct" way to define Fi, but i often read infps tend to appear so.
• Have also heard infps has a way with words, but i don't actively write literature works, fiction or not, but i can write short ones decently if i'm somehow required to.
• I second guess myself many times
• Quiet imaginative, i've also heard infjs are like this too.
• I use the thinking function waay too much for an infp (though the same can be said for my Se (drawing stuff, even though Si is the dom function for isfj)
• I have some sense of personal value, though i'm not sure if it's in the way of an infp or infj
• Not really a yes-man and a pushover (at least i hope i'm not, but i for sure know that i DON'T want to become one), so i know when to say no
• Sometimes i would be too preoccupied with my own ponderings and would wall outside emotions off from myself
• I've been told that my sense of humour is fairly eccentric

I think that's that for now. Many of the points may sound like i'm comparing stereotypes (and i might put some points in the wrong type, i apologize if that's the case..), but that's just what i try to benchmark myself with. I hope someone can reply with a more comprehensive explanation based on the points i've given above using the cognitive functions in mind.
I originally tested as an infj, came out mostly the same after subsequent re-testing and have identified as one for quiet sometime now, but i've also tested as an infp quiet a lot recently (although the score margin between the last 2 letters are quiet small), and i also rarely tested as an enfj. I've also read that as a Ni, i should've "known" all along.
I've also read that we shouldn't box ourselves with these type dichotomies, but some sort of affirmation of at least what i mostly am would be highly comforting.
Also, i'm "most likely" a 6w5 after taking an enneagram test.

Thanks for reading, feedback would very certainly be appreciated!

(PS: might add more by editing or further posting in the future)

 

[Turi]

What do you get on this?
Big Five Personality Test

 

[anony321]

What do you get on this?
[insert link to a big 5 test here]

Haven't tested there, i'm probably too tired to take it right now..it's been quiet a long day. Might still check it out later tonight though, thanks!

Any hints based on the points i posted though?
I apologize if it's too daunting too read...i originally intended it to be a very short post.

 

[anony321]

What do you get on this?
[Insert link here]

[

took the test, here it is

it did say that frequent testings will improve accuracy.

Oh wow, read about the description for RLUAI.
That's pretty damn terrible, i'm not sure whether i can truly relate to it, but some of it sounds like me.
I'm not sure if i just don't want to relate with the bad parts (which there are lots) or that it just doesn't apply to me. Should i add snippets of life stories to more easily put it to context? (Recalling is a pretty sensor thing to do isn't it?)
It's very strange to be meta and concrete at the same time..

Another reason is that i may not have answered the answers "correctly" according to what i really do in real life. It's a bit hard for me to assess myself this way, especially when the questions doesn't elaborate enough and to add to it, pretty vague. I also answered the middle part on a sizable amount of the questionnaire, with reasons of course.
(On second reading it sort of reads like what an infp would get)

 

[anony321]

Is my OP too confusing?
Should i maybe just create another thread answering the questionnaire...?

 

[Birbsofafeather]

@anony321 All of the big 4 descriptions are quite negative. But statistically speaking, your Big 5 type makes you more likely to be an INFP. It's mine also.

Amusingly enough I have also consistently been typed as all of the types you are considering. Not necessarily indicative of anything, just amusing.

Do you know your enneagram type?

 

[anony321]

@anony321 All of the big 4 descriptions are quite negative. But statistically speaking, your Big 5 type makes you more likely to be an INFP. It's mine also.

Amusingly enough I have also consistently been typed as all of the types you are considering. Not necessarily indicative of anything, just amusing.

Do you know your enneagram type?

Thanks for replying!
Yeah, but i'm really on the fence with the "U/O" part, since i answered the middle part on most questions involving neatness/organization ; It shows on the screenshot when i showed my score sheet, 46% orderliness.

My enneagram says that i'm "most likely" a 6w5, as i believe i stated above

(EDIT: I've never actually typed as an ISFJ in tests, but i can relate with some of their general characteristics. Whatever i am, i won't fit neatly into the general stereotype/description)

 

[anony321]

Interesting..
I had to go through 40 questions to get my results.

 

[BranchMonkey]

Okay, i stupidly posted this in the regular cognitive functions forum..
So here it is, copy pasted from there:
First of all, greetings, am a new user here.

This is one of those times when i doubt what my type really is, though this one has caused me to think unusually hard for the past couple of days.
Non-exhaustive list on things i can relate with from the 3 types in question based on my understanding after extensive browsing (still not an expert) and discussions:
>INFJ

• Can easily get lost in thought/detach from the present moment to ponder about things, from inter-relational related things to "very deep theories about the basic functionings of the universe" (really took my time to try and word this)
• Very future oriented
• Can somewhat see through other people (though not always accurate, (i also consider the closest friend i think i've had so far, an enfp, very hard to read))
• Very logical, somewhat calculative and generally very curious person (though my close enfp friend pointed out to me that i tend to strangely push through mathematical problems directly, instead of simplifiying them beforehand ; in his word, "overcomplicate matters")
• Can also deconstruct various concepts into the human language (to aid in explaining them to other people)
• Can somewhat form chain of events (oftentimes about people) following the 'present' based on various factors (that same enfp friend, also unexpectedly to him, noticed my, in his words, "psychological instinct" and told me that i would make a "great advisor")
• In a nutshell, conclusions for things can somehow come naturally to me ; my teachers have also affirmed me that
  apparently, i think several steps ahead.
• Easily miss some details in favour of the big picture (notable examples include very very minor mistakes that costs me my grade in school tests)
• Can somewhat easily relate with other people, even when our lifestyles differ greatly from each other, therefore giving me quiet a good understanding of people.
• A very private(likewise with an isfj?) person, i'm quiet silent and would appear "unexpressive" with mere acquaintances and or friends that i give very little trust with my "self". I can be very outgoing with the right people, and also to an extent with strangers online using the cover of anonimity.
• Although still very oftenly misunderstood, i can adapt myself to various social settings, though i can't really fit in completely in a single group even when i want to.
• very self-righteous way back when i'm younger (very very outgoing too), though i'm currently learning self-control to control my emotions. Doing pretty good so far.
• When i get stressed, i don't overindulge with the sensory pleasures in the same manner as other infjs, though what i do is i would stay up very late, overindulging in the sensory pleasure of being awake and aware
• ironically, it's hard for me to rate or describe myself when told to ; this was supposed to originally be a very short list but things i store in my head about myself kept coming to me while writing this (at around the 2 hour mark by the time i wrote this)
• some people (among them, infjs) i've met in online groups told me that i'm very mature, and often time more than them, even though i'm considerably younger than them. I personally think that i'm still quiet immature and it shows sometime. I just think that i'm just in the "phase".
• my enfp friend (whose also an overachiever, who often engage and often come out victorious in debate competitions), told me that i have my way with words and made remarks that my vocabulary is on par, if not more than his, and that it only shows when i'm with people i trust with greater portions of my "self" (i never trust other people with my "self" fully, not even to him and my parents).
• Used to be an optimist, now i'm more of a realist with a slight preference to pessimism.
• Hard for me to witness great sufferings, i would suffer too inside
• I prefer to finish my assignments as early as possible, though i end up procrastinating many times due to general laziness (due to exhaust?) and overthinking. Almost like an infp
• Not that big into poetry, mostly just because i would simply just cringe the hell out of myself trying to write one ; i prefer to keep my thoughts in my head
• Even when i'm angry, can't resist the urge to smile when someone acts hilariously, likewise when someone's very mad, i would sometimes be able to feel the anger, though i would still (or at least, attempt to) maintain a calm demeanour ; would assist in giving assistance if needed ; i can't detect/absorb someone's emotion of someone across the room, not that strong of an empath, i would say i'm rather weak.
• I quiet dig dark humour

>ISFJ

• Can be very practical
• Somewhat grounded to reality
• Loves world history (i might elaborate why if needed later), although i major in the natural sciences (and also quiet decent at it)
• Memorizes relatively easily
• Thinks about other people and how they perceive me, a lot ; very self-conscious (similar to an infj? though i've been told that self-consciousness is a "turbulent" thing, which i definitely am),
• Can be somewhat nostalgic as in, i can recall things in the past although with varying degrees of accuracy (can be very vague, can also be quiet detailed) i can remember a few beautiful memories with quiet a good amount of details, but often time terrible memories would also return to me with quiet a lot of details and haunt me during times of great stress (usually have something to do with (what i think is) my relation with others)
• Requires clear definitions in a discussion (a sensor's thing? , my main reason for this is to make sure that me and the person(s) i'm discussing me with is in the same page ; also one of the reason mbti makes me think very hard, the explanations are often very vague, sort of like the forer's effect)
• Can be somewhat sensitive, in the context of the 5 senses ; though i would somehow detach from it at a moment's notice
• Also at times, i happen to factor in past experiences while attempting to form a conclusion
• I'm an art hobbyist, i've always loved to draw things, though i've only really seriously been learning about this for less than a year, and my skills have increased exponentially since what i started with earlier this year. As a result, i can more easily perceive visual sensory informations about my surroundings, and then apply it to the media i use ; have also been called "artistic".
• Have always been a visual learner
• Though i like to learn theoretically, i also feel the need to experience things hands on.
• Have been told that if i'm a Ni, i should've knew what my type is all along (also applicable with infp)
• Would jokingly play the grammar nazi, although i've misgrammar'd (made up word(?)) and get typos' too at times. I may have misgrammar'd almost this entire post as i'm typing right now, i do admit that wording these stuff is quiet challenging.
• Though i like to stray off the beaten path at times, after i found a new "path" or "way of doing things", i would prefer to use that again in the future repeatedly until i feel the need to innovate again. One good example would be my play style in Age of Empires 2. I tried some civs at first but i finally settled with the Japanese. I would always pick the Japanese culture because it gives bonus for infantry units and i generally play infantry. Although i might change my playstyle a bit depending on the situation, i generally stay in that same template since it's the one i'm used to the most, at this point.

>INFP

• I have a somewhat poor time management ; i tend to take my time
• Depending on the situations, i like to have my options open-ended
• I have quiet a wide range of interest, though i'm not sure if it's as wide as an infp would normally have.
• I mentioned that i can adapt myself to various social situations, but i still find it hard to adapt or interact with people with people that has values that conflicts too great with mine even though i understand where they are coming from. I can be somewhat apathetic and appear (or what i perceieve to be, often the main subject when i have occasional (although relatively light compared to others) mental breakdowns) selfish
• I try to somewhat stay true to my values? iirc this also apply to infjs
• Can be somewhat self-centered, though i understand that self-centeredness isn't really the "correct" way to define Fi, but i often read infps tend to appear so.
• Have also heard infps has a way with words, but i don't actively write literature works, fiction or not, but i can write short ones decently if i'm somehow required to.
• I second guess myself many times
• Quiet imaginative, i've also heard infjs are like this too.
• I use the thinking function waay too much for an infp (though the same can be said for my Se (drawing stuff, even though Si is the dom function for isfj)
• I have some sense of personal value, though i'm not sure if it's in the way of an infp or infj
• Not really a yes-man and a pushover (at least i hope i'm not, but i for sure know that i DON'T want to become one), so i know when to say no
• Sometimes i would be too preoccupied with my own ponderings and would wall outside emotions off from myself
• I've been told that my sense of humour is fairly eccentric

I think that's that for now. Many of the points may sound like i'm comparing stereotypes (and i might put some points in the wrong type, i apologize if that's the case..), but that's just what i try to benchmark myself with. I hope someone can reply with a more comprehensive explanation based on the points i've given above using the cognitive functions in mind.
I originally tested as an infj, came out mostly the same after subsequent re-testing and have identified as one for quiet sometime now, but i've also tested as an infp quiet a lot recently (although the score margin between the last 2 letters are quiet small), and i also rarely tested as an enfj. I've also read that as a Ni, i should've "known" all along.
I've also read that we shouldn't box ourselves with these type dichotomies, but some sort of affirmation of at least what i mostly am would be highly comforting.
Also, i'm "most likely" a 6w5 after taking an enneagram test.

Thanks for reading, feedback would very certainly be appreciated!

(PS: might add more by editing or further posting in the future)

You don't come across at all as an INFJ.

You come across strongly as a P vs J.

Introverted but not extreme.

IxFP

Visual artists are most often sensors, not intuitives, although that does not rule out your being an intuitive.

Your post is filled with stereotypes--those you shared as well as word choice.

I wondered, reading, why you went for the possibility of ISFJs who are very "should" oriented, hard-workers, responsible, can-do, will-do, usually black-n-white in thinking, yet didn't consider ISFPs who are often visually oriented, artistic and found in science-oriented work.

I'd type you, right now--with what you've shared, IxFP with a leaning toward ISFP.

Don't muddy the waters--just my experience, opinion, by taking Big 5, Enneagram, other personality tests and conflating the results, especially as you are unsure of your MBTI, and 'that' is the focus, which is part of why you come across strongly as a P:

Ps would go here, there, be 'curious' to a fault--in this context, i.e. if you want to nail down MBTI don't follow the advice of those who send you elsewhere.


If you read only two books, or 'start' and 'study' only two, I would suggest:

Gifts Differing by Isabel Briggs Myers with Peter B. Myers

and

Was That Really Me? by Naomi L. Quenk


The first book is the MBTI Bible.

The second focuses on dealing with our inferior function, or to quote from the cover, "How Everyday Stress Brings Out Our Hidden Personality," i.e. our inferior function, under stress takes over and we mistype, stress ourselves, whereas using the inferior function for certain tasks, is helpful, and for relaxing also fine.

Good luck on zeroing in until you are comfortable you have the 'closest' match as personality if far too complex to be contained in a theory--no matter how popular or persuasive.


As an FYI: For more responses in the future for this kind of thing, hone your posts so they don't read too long as many people are on iPads and phones--unlike myself: I am on a laptop. And the weekends although it may seem counter-intuitive is the worst time to post a Type Me thread because people are off doing what they love best, and save PerC (most posting here) for the work week.

 

[anony321]

You don't come across at all as an INFJ.

You come across strongly as a P vs J.

Introverted but not extreme.

IxFP

Visual artists are most often sensors, not intuitives, although that does not rule out your being an intuitive.

Your post is filled with stereotypes--those you shared as well as word choice.

I wondered, reading, why you went for the possibility of ISFJs who are very "should" oriented, hard-workers, responsible, can-do, will-do, usually black-n-white in thinking, yet didn't consider ISFPs who are often visually oriented, artistic and found in science-oriented work.

I'd type you, right now--with what you've shared, IxFP with a leaning toward ISFP.

Don't muddy the waters--just my experience, opinion, by taking Big 5, Enneagram, other personality tests and conflating the results, especially as you are unsure of your MBTI, and 'that' is the focus, which is part of why you come across strongly as a P:

Ps would go here, there, be 'curious' to a fault--in this context, i.e. if you want to nail down MBTI don't follow the advice of those who send you elsewhere.


If you read only two books, or 'start' and 'study' only two, I would suggest:

Gifts Differing by Isabel Briggs Myers with Peter B. Myers

and

Was That Really Me? by Naomi L. Quenk


The first book is the MBTI Bible.

The second focuses on dealing with our inferior function, or to quote from the cover, "How Everyday Stress Brings Out Our Hidden Personality," i.e. our inferior function, under stress takes over and we mistype, stress ourselves, whereas using the inferior function for certain tasks, is helpful, and for relaxing also fine.

Good luck on zeroing in until you are comfortable you have the 'closest' match as personality if far too complex to be contained in a theory--no matter how popular or persuasive.


As an FYI: For more responses in the future for this kind of thing, hone your posts so they don't read too long as many people are on iPads and phones--unlike myself: I am on a laptop. And the weekends although it may seem counter-intuitive is the worst time to post a Type Me thread because people are off doing what they love best, and save PerC (most posting here) for the work week.

Thank you very much for replying!
I didn't actually post this on a weekend, i posted it on monday in my timezone.
Hmm, i didn't come across as an infj, can you elaborate further on why is that?

Actually, i've been pretty sure of my type for sometime now, previous doubts have been settled quite easily by myself. This was actually spurred in an mbti related chatroom i'm a part of. I'm usually there talking about mbti, and giving my insights to other people, until one day, the way i talked suddenly changed into slightly of an upbeat mood, mostly because the conversation was quiet lengthy and the topics were particularly interesting to me into, someone there noted that he haven't seen other infjs talked this way before, the person in question said something along the line of acquiring the balance. We talked about it further until it was pointed out that just ""maybe"" i'm not an infj, and a veteran of the chatroom that haven't seen me around (i've only been about a month there) suddenly entered, and happened to join in on the specific discussion we're having, and typed me an ISFJ based on the fact that, had i been a Ni-dom, i would've figured it all out myself. There my (what i suspect) Ti went into overdrive, i tried to recall how i behave, and how i solved probles in the past (i mean, where can we look to find facts about ourselves besides peering into our pasts?) i researched the hell out of the 3 types in question and this time i just *barely* come to the conclusion that i'm an infj. To clear that up, i finally decided to ask about this in a forum and so here i am. (Some people also noted that my Ni, Fe and Ti are quiet strong during my time there; though the manner of the judgements of others, especially when you haven't really knew each other for a long time can be highly subjective)
Recalling....an Si feature is it not?

Visual art, though not many infjs delve into it (presumably due to the placement of Se in their function stack), but a sizable portion of them definitely did, the few infjs i met there were definitely into the visual arts (hitler did too).

I'm still also quiet confused wheter i'm an N/S. I sometimes think that i'm an Sensitive Intuite or an Intuitive Sensor hahaha (While i do focus on the concrete and real things many times, i mainly do that because this world is very tailored for the sensors, and i gotta do what i gotta do to survive and compete. I do still find that the "real" world quiet lacking and i like to ponder about these "things" a lot).

I have always find the description of the isfj somewhat fitting to me, though there are inconsistencies here and there, but other factors still point me out to either an infj or infp ; i went along with infj after thinking about it for sometime. I've read the isfp description in the past, maybe i'll re-read it later.

Yes, i do realize that it's filled with stereotypes haha, i originally intended to fill in a few facts about me, to keep it short and i was quiet exhausted after a long day then, but more things about me came to mind and i just felt like i need to type them down, so, sorry bout that.

(One theory i have is that maybe, i've always been an ESTP, and INFJ is just my shadow, since the my childhood behaviour quiet fits the descriptions, i was more active, liked playing outside, very gregarious; then high school came and now i'm fairly stressed (but i've always liked to ponder on things) ; but maybe that's just because i was even more immature then)

Again, thanks for responding, and the book recommendations!

(EDIT: Read about ISFP again, i think the main thing that fit me there is their artistic tendencies. Though it doesn't show sometimes (neatness factor), i actually prefer planned and organized actions other than spontaneous ones, i have difficulties in being spontaneous in general)

 

[BranchMonkey]

Thank you very much for replying!
I didn't actually post this on a weekend, i posted it on monday in my timezone.
Hmm, i didn't come across as an infj, can you elaborate further on why is that?

Actually, i've been pretty sure of my type for sometime now, previous doubts have been settled quite easily by myself. This was actually spurred in an mbti related chatroom i'm a part of. I'm usually there talking about mbti, and giving my insights to other people, until one day, the way i talked suddenly changed into slightly of an upbeat mood, mostly because the conversation was quiet lengthy and the topics were particularly interesting to me into, someone there noted that he haven't seen other infjs talked this way before, the person in question said something along the line of acquiring the balance. We talked about it further until it was pointed out that just ""maybe"" i'm not an infj, and a veteran of the chatroom that haven't seen me around (i've only been about a month there) suddenly entered, and happened to join in on the specific discussion we're having, and typed me an ISFJ based on the fact that, had i been a Ni-dom, i would've figured it all out myself. There my (what i suspect) Ti went into overdrive, i tried to recall how i behave, and how i solved probles in the past (i mean, where can we look to find facts about ourselves besides peering into our pasts?) i researched the hell out of the 3 types in question and this time i just *barely* come to the conclusion that i'm an infj. To clear that up, i finally decided to ask about this in a forum and so here i am. (Some people also noted that my Ni, Fe and Ti are quiet strong during my time there; though the manner of the judgements of others, especially when you haven't really knew each other for a long time can be highly subjective)
Recalling....an Si feature is it not?

Visual art, though not many infjs delve into it (presumably due to the placement of Se in their function stack), but a sizable portion of them definitely did, the few infjs i met there were definitely into the visual arts (hitler did too).

I'm still also quiet confused wheter i'm an N/S. I sometimes think that i'm an Sensitive Intuite or an Intuitive Sensor hahaha (While i do focus on the concrete and real things many times, i mainly do that because this world is very tailored for the sensors, and i gotta do what i gotta do to survive and compete. I do still find that the "real" world quiet lacking and i like to ponder about these "things" a lot).

I have always find the description of the isfj somewhat fitting to me, though there are inconsistencies here and there, but other factors still point me out to either an infj or infp ; i went along with infj after thinking about it for sometime. I've read the isfp description in the past, maybe i'll re-read it later.

Yes, i do realize that it's filled with stereotypes haha, i originally intended to fill in a few facts about me, to keep it short and i was quiet exhausted after a long day then, but more things about me came to mind and i just felt like i need to type them down, so, sorry bout that.

(One theory i have is that maybe, i've always been an ESTP, and INFJ is just my shadow, since the my childhood behaviour quiet fits the descriptions, i was more active, liked playing outside, very gregarious; then high school came and now i'm fairly stressed (but i've always liked to ponder on things) ; but maybe that's just because i was even more immature then)

Again, thanks for responding, and the book recommendations!

(EDIT: Read about ISFP again, i think the main thing that fit me there is their artistic tendencies. Though it doesn't show sometimes (neatness factor), i actually prefer planned and organized actions other than spontaneous ones, i have difficulties in being spontaneous in general)

I gave your post a lot of thought last night, and again this morning before coming on PerC to find out if you had responded, and how you responded.

As an FYI, many--if not most--of the PerC members are in America, so if you want a broader pool to view your posts, doing so using U.S. time zones may net you that.


No one online or in person (who has not studied typing, doesn't know you well, and doesn't ask a lot of questions, ask for clarification, provide examples for why he or she thinks you are or not a particular type) is going to be able to help another person who has at least a working foundational knowledge of MBTI including what stress may do to skew a person's actual type and lead to falsification of type.

Let that sink in, "gel" as I call it, then come back and read the rest of my response.


Others, especially online, noting that you use Ni are apt to be shooting poorly by either being trigger happy or for other reasons may not be suitable typists.

Ni is hard to spot, and often requires that the one asking to be typed have self-knowledge which he or she shares with care and conciseness; be on the healthier side of MBTI types; or be willing to do some self-criticism to help the other person help him or her sort it out--if he or she is dealing with a neurosis or going through a spell of either acute or chronic stress.

Keep that in mind whenever someone asserts you are such and such type or cannot be such and such type--often giving stereotypical examples or reasons, or as unhelpful, giving no reasons at all, perhaps resorting to either insults or flattery.


Here is the blurb to consider:

Is Intuition Extraverted or Introverted?

Yolanda, an ENFP, feels that she is frequently criticized and put down for her ideas. As a dominant Extraverted Intuitive [Ne] type, she talks about her ideas as they are being formed, before she subjects them to her critical judgment.

In contrast, Hal an INFJ (dominant Introverted Intuitive type), keeps his ideas to himself for a long time before sharing them. He wants to ensure that his ideas are seen as only ideas, and not as finalized, worked-out systems. When he does talk about his ideas, he uses disclaimers, emphasizing their tentative nature.

Dominant Introverted Intuitive types [INFJs] tend to focus primarily on ideas and possibilities at a conceptual level and to focus on the essence of those inner ideas that are certain.

Introverted Intuition [Ni] is tuned in to inner interconnected possibilities that may take the form of complex theories, models, and the like.

Their relevance to the outer world is usually secondary, so only well-thought-out and important ideas are shared with others.

Dominant Extraverted Intuitive types [ENFPs, and less so ENTPs using Ne as Auxiliary] tend to be more attracted to a wide range of possibilities in the outer environment, readily sharing them with others as ideas to be explored and applying those ideas in the outer world.

So Yolanda, in sharing her ideas before she has critiqued them herself, risks being misunderstood by others.

Hal, in initially keeping his ideas to himself, misses out on feedback that might help him further shape his ideas..." ~ excerpt from Was That Really Me? by Naomi L. Quenk

Setting aside whether or not you are using your Shadow function, or are (as Naomi L. Quenk puts it) "stuck in The Grip," i.e. under chronic, long-standing stress, your post is what I call "all over the map," not at all linear, cohesive, logical, helpful for me to type you.

[In case you want to follow up on that 'after' reading Gifts Differing and Was That Really Me? here is a wiki link for ESTP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTP ]


You write like an xSFx at length.

What I mean is that your lengthy writing reveals lack of cohesion, linear exposition, and an ability to stay focused on the question at hand, (Are you an INFJ or perhaps an INFP?). This lack is readily apparent.

Additionally, your writing doesn't show a hint of analytic ability or verbal skill on par with a budding, let alone skilled writer--whether one who leans toward non-fiction or fiction in their various forms.

(I'm sharing this last bit as someone who had book manuscripts accepted for publication by the time I was 22; had published my first writing when I was 19, and went on to publish over a 30-year-period using a variety of written froms, as well as someone who taught creative writing, poetry workshops and English literature.)

If you are at all serious about wanting to know your type (MBTI), please read those two books for which I provided titles, and know that if you don't have much interest--or ability--to read them, this may reflect your being a strong xSFx who may benefit from someone who is

1) An adequate, even avid MBTI typist,
2) Willing to sort through the detritus to help you rule out the poor matches, consider what is left, and possibly arrive at a close match.


Last, there is nothing wrong with being an xSFx, or any other type.

Stereotypes abound, for instance, positing that sensors are not as intelligent as intuitives, and that thinkers are smarter than feelers.

These are usually put forward by intuitive thinkers (no shock), and backed by nothing more than wishful thinking regarding their bloated self-image as 'intellectually superior,' so I hope for your personal growth that you face and knock that prejudice out of your head.

Focus instead on who you might be, and become 'at your personal best,' not a poor knock-off of someone else's type.

Your going back through your mind to what you were like as a younger adult is one possible way to get down to your true type "if" you were not dealing with acute or chronic stress at the time you describe yourself as being more gregarious (and the rest).

If you are an ESTP or the closest match, ESFP--you've got a lot to work with to bring out and build on your unique gifts, make viable contributions to those around you, and feel good about yourself.

 

[anony321]

I gave your post a lot of thought last night, and again this morning before coming on PerC to find out if you had responded, and how you responded.

As an FYI, many--if not most--of the PerC members are in America, so if you want a broader pool to view your posts, doing so using U.S. time zones may net you that.


No one online or in person (who has not studied typing, doesn't know you well, and doesn't ask a lot of questions, ask for clarification, provide examples for why he or she thinks you are or not a particular type) is going to be able to help another person who has at least a working foundational knowledge of MBTI including what stress may do to skew a person's actual type and lead to falsification of type.

Let that sink in, "gel" as I call it, then come back and read the rest of my response.


Others, especially online, noting that you use Ni are apt to be shooting poorly by either being trigger happy or for other reasons may not be suitable typists.

Ni is hard to spot, and often requires that the one asking to be typed have self-knowledge which he or she shares with care and conciseness; be on the healthier side of MBTI types; or be willing to do some self-criticism to help the other person help him or her sort it out--if he or she is dealing with a neurosis or going through a spell of either acute or chronic stress.

Keep that in mind whenever someone asserts you are such and such type or cannot be such and such type--often giving stereotypical examples or reasons, or as unhelpful, giving no reasons at all, perhaps resorting to either insults or flattery.


Here is the blurb to consider:





Setting aside whether or not you are using your Shadow function, or are (as Naomi L. Quenk puts it) "stuck in The Grip," i.e. under chronic, long-standing stress, your post is what I call "all over the map," not at all linear, cohesive, logical, helpful for me to type you.

[In case you want to follow up on that 'after' reading Gifts Differing and Was That Really Me? here is a wiki link for ESTP:

[link here]


You write like an xSFx at length.

What I mean is that your lengthy writing reveals lack of cohesion, linear exposition, and an ability to stay focused on the question at hand, (Are you an INFJ or perhaps an INFP?). This lack is readily apparent.

Additionally, your writing doesn't show a hint of analytic ability or verbal skill on par with a budding, let alone skilled writer--whether one who leans toward non-fiction or fiction in their various forms.

(I'm sharing this last bit as someone who had book manuscripts accepted for publication by the time I was 22; had published my first writing when I was 19, and went on to publish over a 30-year-period using a variety of written froms, as well as someone who taught creative writing, poetry workshops and English literature.)

If you are at all serious about wanting to know your type (MBTI), please read those two books for which I provided titles, and know that if you don't have much interest--or ability--to read them, this may reflect your being a strong xSFx who may benefit from someone who is

1) An adequate, even avid MBTI typist,
2) Willing to sort through the detritus to help you rule out the poor matches, consider what is left, and possibly arrive at a close match.


Last, there is nothing wrong with being an xSFx, or any other type.

Stereotypes abound, for instance, positing that sensors are not as intelligent as intuitives, and that thinkers are smarter than feelers.

These are usually put forward by intuitive thinkers (no shock), and backed by nothing more than wishful thinking regarding their bloated self-image as 'intellectually superior,' so I hope for your personal growth that you face and knock that prejudice out of your head.

Focus instead on who you might be, and become 'at your personal best,' not a poor knock-off of someone else's type.

Your going back through your mind to what you were like as a younger adult is one possible way to get down to your true type "if" you were not dealing with acute or chronic stress at the time you describe yourself as being more gregarious (and the rest).

If you are an ESTP or the closest match, ESFP--you've got a lot to work with to bring out and build on your unique gifts, make viable contributions to those around you, and feel good about yourself.

Hmm, that's true, typing someone just from their writing can be problematic.

Hmm, if that's how Ns think, what's the differences with SF and STs? how can i really differentiate them? I think about concepts and interconnections alot, and i also subject them to self criticism and i only put it out after considering the situation and the "readiness" of my thought, but how can i tell if that's just how everyone think in general?

I'm highly doubting my type, so i thought that by giving as much information as possible "might" help other typers type me better ; Not really a trained writer so maybe that's not such a good idea. The fact that english is my second-language might also contribute to my incompetence.
Hmm, can you define "cohesive and logical"?
I wish i can get the book, i don't think i have the resources right now to purchase it. By my younger self, i meant back when i'm at the elementary school and it was pretty blissful then, the problem with this may lie from the fact that my mind hasn't matured enough to provide a clear understanding on the matter. I'm barely a young adult and my limited life experience might prove to be my bane right now.

 

[BranchMonkey]

Hmm, that's true, typing someone just from their writing can be problematic.

Hmm, if that's how Ns think, what's the differences with SF and STs? how can i really differentiate them? I think about concepts and interconnections alot, and i also subject them to self criticism and i only put it out after considering the situation and the "readiness" of my thought, but how can i tell if that's just how everyone think in general?

I'm highly doubting my type, so i thought that by giving as much information as possible "might" help other typers type me better ; Not really a trained writer so maybe that's not such a good idea. The fact that english is my second-language might also contribute to my incompetence.
Hmm, can you define "cohesive and logical"?
I wish i can get the book, i don't think i have the resources right now to purchase it. By my younger self, i meant back when i'm at the elementary school and it was pretty blissful then. I'm barely a young adult right now. My limited life experience might prove to be my bane right now.

The fact that you need an example points to your being a sensor; otherwise... you would look over your own writing and see the lack of cohesion... Comb through the mass of words, look for contradictions; look for 'going off on a tangent'; look for asking or asserting something and then asking about and asserting some more ideas and facts that don't add up.

At 18... I knew I wrote poorly--by my standards, and regardless of assurance from others, because I had the 'ear' for that... I had that kind of judgment for visual art as well, e.g. I used mixed media, other visual forms, and although many people were impressed or delighted with the work, I had an inner sense of what I wanted to express,

In college, first time around, I did so well in writing that my English comp teacher and I (she was a professional poet as well) became friends. She allowed me to skip her class, come to her office with my assignments which she graded after we haggled over punctuation marks and other details... talk[ed] shop.

Many years later, as I was publishing a spate of writing... my son gave me a used keyboard. I bought a metronome, music books and began learning the keyboard.

My ear for that was fine-tuned, and I knew I would never be more than mediocre at it. [Besides] I had wanted to play the piano, so music I heard (not just played) on keyboard sounded tinny to my ear. I gave that up.

I became a literary critic after the founder of Alsop Review asked me to join the staff and "keep doing what you are doing as your critiques are excellent."

So I added writing and publishing literary critiques to my list of writing forms; using that form not only improved my ear, but gave me the opportunity to help others improve their writing.

Now, I'll quote from Gifts Differing on SF vs. ST:

Sensing Plus Thinking

The ST (sensing plus thinking) people rely primarily on sensing for purposes of perception and on thinking for purposes of judgment.

Thus, their main interest [STs] focuses upon facts, because facts can be collected and verified directly by the senses--by seeing, hearing, touching, counting, weighing, measuring.

ST people approach their decisions regarding these facts by impersonal analysis, because of their trust in thinking, with its step-by-step logical process of reasoning from cause to effect, from premise to conclusion.

In consequence, their personalities tend to be practical and matter-of-fact, and their best chances of success and satisfaction lie in fields that demand impersonal analysis of concrete facts, such as economics, law, surgery, business, accounting, production, and the handling of machines and materials.


Sensing Plus Feeling


The SF (sensing plus feeling) people, too, rely primarily on sensing for purposes of perception, but they prefer feeling for purposes of judgment.

They approach their decisions with personal warmth because their feeling weighs how much things matter to themselves and to others.

They are more interested in facts about people than in facts about things, and, therefore, they tend to be sociable and friendly.

They are most likely to succeed and be satisfied in work where their personal warmth can be applied effectively to the immediate situation, as in pediatrics, nursing, teaching (especially elementary school), social work, selling of tangibles, and service-with-a-smile jobs.

To contrast the two types, let's look briefly at my oldest brother, older sister (I have an oldest sister but she was raised by others so I will skip over her even though she is an SF), and my babiest sister who is an SF (I am one of nine children from the same mother, seven of us have the same father.)

My oldest brother, Gabe was most satisfied working independently or with a partner. He is an ISTJ, so ST.

His favorite, ongoing occupation was buying used cars, fixing them up and reselling them at a profit.

He cared only for his success, had no problem making a large profit at the expense--to my mind--of the people from whom he bought the cars, and success to him was in besting others as well as how much money he made, so his areas--matching the description above from Gifts Differing would be "business" and "the handling of machines and material."

He has never been a people-person; lacks warmth toward others, except when used as a manipulative tool to get to his goal: success as measured by besting others and the profit he made.


Now, let's talk about my sister, Chico (a nickname) who is an ESFP.

She has always made friends easily albeit not kept most of them because of psychological problems stemming from early childhood trauma.

She has enjoyed since she was young acquiring many skills from hair dressing to art (doing so well with colored pencils and similar tools that she once made me an over-sized birthday card I thought she had bought), and is especially good at selling, and only enjoys and trusts 'hands-on' work (same as my ISTJ father, oldest brother, Gabe).

Chico sold for the love of it and did not keep detailed, accurate count of profits. (She is a P, not a J--and in this and other areas, the difference shows how vast it can be, although there are, of course, exceptions, e.g. many Ps can and do learn to do detailed bookkeeping for their home businesses if necessary.)

My older sister would sell if no one paid her, and her life, in her 50s, still mirrors the text that reads,

"They are most likely to succeed and be satisfied in work where their personal warmth can be applied effectively to the immediate situation, as in... selling of tangibles, and service-with-a-smile jobs."

[My oldest brother Gabe smiled to get the job done, not naturally drawn to people.]

Finally, my babiest sister Shelby--for a wrap-up--has worked as an elementary school teacher in a church; as a phlebotomist, then went back to school to become a nurse, and now works as an optician because the nursing proved too physically demanding and she has scoliosis.

Shelby is an ISFP and enjoyed, as a hobby, making prism-like art from pieces of cut linoleum--very detailed work, and when she was approximately 10-12 she made all her Barbie doll's clothing, sewn by hand.

Additionally, she learned American Sign Language so she could train her Beagle, Shiloh to do tricks without voice commands.

Shelby has two best friends she has kept since elementary school, and with them she is playful, trusting, open and warm, but otherwise she is more reserved with strangers, acquaintances and even many relatives.

***

I hope the blurb from Gifts Differing and the personal examples help you tell the difference between ST and SF, including the influence of extraversion (Chico) vs. introversion (Gabe and Shelby), i.e. degrees of warmth vs. reserve when dealing with people.


***

Your age, which from what you shared I am inferring is as young as 18, perhaps younger, but near this age certainly will make learning your MBTI harder, and many suggest--I am in accord--that you do more learning and less 'deciding' at this stage, especially if you are still living with your primary care givers, i.e. reliant on pleasing others who provide your shelter, clothing, and other necessities.

When you have more autonomy and life experience, your natural personality type may begin to emerge assuming, however, that you don't have "falsification of type" because the primary care givers required you to act against your natural type.

If that is the case, i.e. you have or end up seeing falsification of type in yourself, you will have to do some work to end habits that kept you safe under the control of the primary caregivers but in the future, which will then be your 'now' are hindrances.

So, explore!

Don't worry so much about MBTI or fitting some kind of stereotype of 'any' type.

Instead, to the extent humanly possible, within limits set by your own personality (whatever it may be), learn all you can about what interests you; go places and read about whatever gives you pleasure if it does not hurt you or others either literally or psychologically, and out of those experiences your natural tendencies will emerge stronger, more noticeably, and you may not need so much help with MBTI typing.

***

I'll end with one example of lack of logic in your earlier post(s):

You opened a thread asking to be typed and then provided what you knew and asserted were 'stereotypes' as well as stating that you were at least three different types, and tossing in enneagram, then following the advice of someone who suggested you check out Big Five (which has nothing to do with MBTI).

For someone who wants an 'accurate MBTI reading' that behavior is illogical.

A logical approach would be to stay within the confines of MBTI as well as "lead" with trustworthy MBTI source information, not stereotypes.

***

That's it for now.

 

[anony321]

The fact that you need an example points to your being a sensor; otherwise... you would look over your own writing and see the lack of cohesion... Comb through the mass of words, look for contradictions; look for 'going off on a tangent'; look for asking or asserting something and then asking about and asserting some more ideas and facts that don't add up.

At 18... I knew I wrote poorly--by my standards, and regardless of assurance from others, because I had the 'ear' for that... I had that kind of judgment for visual art as well, e.g. I used mixed media, other visual forms, and although many people were impressed or delighted with the work, I had an inner sense of what I wanted to express,

In college, first time around, I did so well in writing that my English comp teacher and I (she was a professional poet as well) became friends. She allowed me to skip her class, come to her office with my assignments which she graded after we haggled over punctuation marks and other details... talk[ed] shop.

Many years later, as I was publishing a spate of writing... my son gave me a used keyboard. I bought a metronome, music books and began learning the keyboard.

My ear for that was fine-tuned, and I knew I would never be more than mediocre at it. [Besides] I had wanted to play the piano, so music I heard (not just played) on keyboard sounded tinny to my ear. I gave that up.

I became a literary critic after the founder of Alsop Review asked me to join the staff and "keep doing what you are doing as your critiques are excellent."

So I added writing and publishing literary critiques to my list of writing forms; using that form not only improved my ear, but gave me the opportunity to help others improve their writing.

Now, I'll quote from Gifts Differing on SF vs. ST:




To contrast the two types, let's look briefly at my oldest brother, older sister (I have an oldest sister but she was raised by others so I will skip over her even though she is an SF), and my babiest sister who is an SF (I am one of nine children from the same mother, seven of us have the same father.)

My oldest brother, Gabe was most satisfied working independently or with a partner. He is an ISTJ, so ST.

His favorite, ongoing occupation was buying used cars, fixing them up and reselling them at a profit.

He cared only for his success, had no problem making a large profit at the expense--to my mind--of the people from whom he bought the cars, and success to him was in besting others as well as how much money he made, so his areas--matching the description above from Gifts Differing would be "business" and "the handling of machines and material."

He has never been a people-person; lacks warmth toward others, except when used as a manipulative tool to get to his goal: success as measured by besting others and the profit he made.


Now, let's talk about my sister, Chico (a nickname) who is an ESFP.

She has always made friends easily albeit not kept most of them because of psychological problems stemming from early childhood trauma.

She has enjoyed since she was young acquiring many skills from hair dressing to art (doing so well with colored pencils and similar tools that she once made me an over-sized birthday card I thought she had bought), and is especially good at selling, and only enjoys and trusts 'hands-on' work (same as my ISTJ father, oldest brother, Gabe).

Chico sold for the love of it and did not keep detailed, accurate count of profits. (She is a P, not a J--and in this and other areas, the difference shows how vast it can be, although there are, of course, exceptions, e.g. many Ps can and do learn to do detailed bookkeeping for their home businesses if necessary.)

My older sister would sell if no one paid her, and her life, in her 50s, still mirrors the text that reads,

[My oldest brother Gabe smiled to get the job done, not naturally drawn to people.]

Finally, my babiest sister Shelby--for a wrap-up--has worked as an elementary school teacher in a church; as a phlebotomist, then went back to school to become a nurse, and now works as an optician because the nursing proved too physically demanding and she has scoliosis.

Shelby is an ISFP and enjoyed, as a hobby, making prism-like art from pieces of cut linoleum--very detailed work, and when she was approximately 10-12 she made all her Barbie doll's clothing, sewn by hand.

Additionally, she learned American Sign Language so she could train her Beagle, Shiloh to do tricks without voice commands.

Shelby has two best friends she has kept since elementary school, and with them she is playful, trusting, open and warm, but otherwise she is more reserved with strangers, acquaintances and even many relatives.

***

I hope the blurb from Gifts Differing and the personal examples help you tell the difference between ST and SF, including the influence of extraversion (Chico) vs. introversion (Gabe and Shelby), i.e. degrees of warmth vs. reserve when dealing with people.


***

Your age, which from what you shared I am inferring is as young as 18, perhaps younger, but near this age certainly will make learning your MBTI harder, and many suggest--I am in accord--that you do more learning and less 'deciding' at this stage, especially if you are still living with your primary care givers, i.e. reliant on pleasing others who provide your shelter, clothing, and other necessities.

When you have more autonomy and life experience, your natural personality type may begin to emerge assuming, however, that you don't have "falsification of type" because the primary care givers required you to act against your natural type.

If that is the case, i.e. you have or end up seeing falsification of type in yourself, you will have to do some work to end habits that kept you safe under the control of the primary caregivers but in the future, which will then be your 'now' are hindrances.

So, explore!

Don't worry so much about MBTI or fitting some kind of stereotype of 'any' type.

Instead, to the extent humanly possible, within limits set by your own personality (whatever it may be), learn all you can about what interests you; go places and read about whatever gives you pleasure if it does not hurt you or others either literally or psychologically, and out of those experiences your natural tendencies will emerge stronger, more noticeably, and you may not need so much help with MBTI typing.

***

I'll end with one example of lack of logic in your earlier post(s):

You opened a thread asking to be typed and then provided what you knew and asserted were 'stereotypes' as well as stating that you were at least three different types, and tossing in enneagram, then following the advice of someone who suggested you check out Big Five (which has nothing to do with MBTI).

For someone who wants an 'accurate MBTI reading' that behavior is illogical.

A logical approach would be to stay within the confines of MBTI as well as "lead" with trustworthy MBTI source information, not stereotypes.

***

That's it for now.

Regarding my writing, that's pretty obvious isn't it? I had thought you would say some other thing that "seems" hidden from view. I originally intended to make it shorter and bare bones, heck, even considered only putting in a few words, but residues from my intense brainstorming came up to me and i just had to put them in, though, that's not saying that i haven't put in some effort organizing that mess i made, but controlling a beast that size definitely has it challenges. I've been sure of my type for a long time, i've gone through some self-doubt in the past but those are relatively easy to quell compared to this. ; should've gone with the questionnaire, at least then i'd know where to start.



Before i continue on:
First, yes, i've come to realize that starting out with stereotypes wasn't really the best of ideas, though stereotypes exists for a reason. It mainly exists due to generalization of similar qualities within a certain group, it could provide a decent benchmark of oneself relative to members of the group in question ; though stereotypes you read online may not prove to always be reliable, especially on highly subjective topics like mbti. My original idea was to start with comparisons between me and the stereotypes, then to delve deeper into the cognitive functions and how they relate to one another based on their position on the stack.

Second, i would say that correlating MBTI with other typing methods is not entirely illogical, but is at least debatable ; seeing that the person suggesting me to do it definitely has some credibility on this subject, and i realize that i have lesser knowledge on this subject, i figured following that advice wasn't such a bad idea.

Third, yes, i do realize that confining myself to the confines of personality types like MBTI is not a healthy thing to do, but this recent "thing" definitely caused a turmoil in me.



Anyway, now that my mind is now clearer, and i've been doing follow up brainstorms, especially now with the help of your inputs and witnessing myself in action earlier today, i've come to the conclusion that there's a lower chance of me being an ST or SF (though not discarding that possibility), and i definitely have the N, T and F functions higher in my stack, which leads me to believe that it's more likely for me to either be an NT or NF, though as you said, i should now focus on gathering life experience and learning about the subject further (though it's not possible for me to focus a large portion of my thoughts into this subject, i still have my school studies to focus on, especially since i'm nearing one of the great crossroads in my life).

Also, i will consider looking for the books you recommended to me.

 

[BranchMonkey]

Regarding my writing, that's pretty obvious isn't it? I had thought you would say some other thing that "seems" hidden from view. I originally intended to make it shorter and bare bones, heck, even considered only putting in a few words, but residues from my intense brainstorming came up to me and i just had to put them in, though, that's not saying that i haven't put in some effort organizing that mess i made, but controlling a beast that size definitely has it challenges. I've been sure of my type for a long time, i've gone through some self-doubt in the past but those are relatively easy to quell compared to this. ; should've gone with the questionnaire, at least then i'd know where to start.



Before i continue on:
First, yes, i've come to realize that starting out with stereotypes wasn't really the best of ideas, though stereotypes exists for a reason. It mainly exists due to generalization of similar qualities within a certain group, it could provide a decent benchmark of oneself relative to members of the group in question ; though stereotypes you read online may not prove to always be reliable, especially on highly subjective topics like mbti. My original idea was to start with comparisons between me and the stereotypes, then to delve deeper into the cognitive functions and how they relate to one another based on their position on the stack.

Second, i would say that correlating MBTI with other typing methods is not entirely illogical, but is at least debatable ; seeing that the person suggesting me to do it definitely has some credibility on this subject, and i realize that i have lesser knowledge on this subject, i figured following that advice wasn't such a bad idea.

Third, yes, i do realize that confining myself to the confines of personality types like MBTI is not a healthy thing to do, but this recent "thing" definitely caused a turmoil in me.



Anyway, now that my mind is now clearer, and i've been doing follow up brainstorms, especially now with the help of your inputs and witnessing myself in action earlier today, i've come to the conclusion that there's a lower chance of me being an ST or SF (though not discarding that possibility), and i definitely have the N, T and F functions higher in my stack, which leads me to believe that it's more likely for me to either be an NT or NF, though as you said, i should now focus on gathering life experience and learning about the subject further (though it's not possible for me to focus a large portion of my thoughts into this subject, i still have my school studies to focus on, especially since i'm nearing one of the great crossroads in my life).

Also, i will consider looking for the books you recommended to me.

This post pleased me because you reined in the prose; you revealed more of how you think 'at your best'; I have a better idea of types you are most likely 'not' and some clues to a couple of functions most likely high in your stack.

The problem with your OP (remedied in this last post of yours) is you didn't have an object to respond to, e.g. a teacher giving an assignment with limits, so you went inward--and there's a lot inside, then pulled out "everything but the kitchen sink" which is not brainstorming.

Here's an example of brainstorming vs. the kind of 'all over the map writing' many of us more expressive types can--and often do--fall into if we don't have or set limits. I'm providing an actual example as I enjoy analogy and personal ones (I've found) for most non-ST-types help rather than hinder.

A college (INTJ) psychology teacher gave the class a fun assignment--taking part went toward getting points for class participation.

The task was "Brainstorm, in 5 Minutes, Every Use You Can Think of For Pantyhose."

She asked us to quickly break into groups of four--our choice of who made up the four in each group.

I naturally took the lead for the group I quickly put together. The class had been meeting for months at this time and we all knew who would and would not step into that role and do well for group assignments.

I asked one of us to write down what we said, then started us off with some ideas, e.g. slingshot; hammock for a hamster; noose to hang a naughty doll; sink strainer; cut off all but pantie-part and use for storing something lightweight..."

The other three members -- I gave them time but not a lot as we only had 5 minutes to complete the task -- had two ideas, maybe three in all, so I took over and the secretary had a hard time keeping up with my contributions.

Examples: "Wear the pantyhose underneath jeans in the winter for warmth; cut out a piece and tape over a hole in a window screen; play cops and robbers, be the robber, put the pantyhose over your head; use as gauze for a healing wound that needs air flow; cut off feet portion and use as lightweight socks or sock liners; wrap around hand when car radiator overheats--to protect against burns (make sure not to take off radiator cap too soon); hang a Barbie doll for punishment--I stole that one from an ISFP sister who actually did hang her Barbie as discipline; maybe she's really an ISFJ

Our group won The 5 Minute Brainstorming.

Our instructor, Kathy Wang, asked someone from each group to stand and read off the answers after telling how many each had. Part of her goal was for us to note how many answers were the same vs. how many were different, i.e. inventive ideas.

My group members indicated I should stand and read.

We had approximately 28 ideas, only three from other group members, and no more than four that others had, e.g. the sink strainer was on more than one group list.

So, that is brainstorming with the subject provided by an object.

In your case, with no questionnaire to lead you and no or not much MBTI knowledge, you had to be the object (teacher) and come up with the subject, which is difficult, and led you to toss out every thought that seemed to pop into your head (in the OP).

After two exchanges with me, you now had an idea of the subject and an object to go by outside yourself; your latest post mirrors that, as well as words I use myself like, 'Heck' indicating the possibility you did some homework, read some of my posts. Whether or not you did that bit of work, your last post was tighter, on point, and well-received by 'your audience' (me).

The difference between your OP and your last post is why English teachers and journalist teachers often gave us (in The United States; I don't know about where you live) the seemingly obvious, boring instruction to write a paper with "Who, What, When, Where and Why" in mind. It was to focus, ground us, help clarify the subject, improve our writing, and chance that our audience would receive something useful.

So, here is an ex. of Who, What, When, Where, Why for a Type Me thread:

Who(se) attention do I want to gain?
What questions should I ask; what should I leave out?
When should I consider my draft 'final'?
Where should I submit it, i.e. which forum, sub-forum?
Why should anyone response; why might someone not respond?

And I add one more:

How can I evaluate responses in order to know if I'm being led by someone knowledgeable or in some other way helpful for my goal?

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Next, regarding your supposition that answering a questionnaire might have been the way to go, gist of what you wrote:

You need, to my mind, to ask the same questions above (changed to fit that situation) in order to recognize, or improve your recognition skills, so you don't follow down blind alleys or arteries, e.g. as you asked for MBTI typing, following advice to check out enneagram should be ignored (for the time being) as it is not at all relevant to your OP nor was enneagram designed with the same goal, by the same leaders and later practitioners.

An analogy:

You start a thread in the Religious section (I don't recall the exact name, but you get the point) and ask specifically, "How can I become a Christian?" and you get a suggestion regarding Islam.

Both systems are religious just as both MBTI and enneagram are personality theories, but your question was specific to Christianity, not Islam. Later, if it turns out you aren't so sure about Christianity, you might want to explore Islam, and who knows, prefer it, go do more exploring, But for the time being, asking about one religion (or personality typing system) then going off-track to follow the suggestion to check out a different religion (or personality typing system) is distracting, if not worse. If you wanted to know about enneagram 'instead' or 'in addition to,' I would expect to see that reflected in your OP.

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An admission:

1) I deliberately pushed some issues to get you out of what others call 'ones comfort zone' and 2) I pushed you so you could get passed what I call 'The Internal Censor,' i.e. the part that stays polite, reined in by 'social conventions' (Be polite, for instance, no matter what), because I've found out more about how someone responds 'naturally' when he or she does operate out of a socially confined role.

I recognize the improvement in your writing from the OP to the last post--drastically improved.

I hope any discomfort, including a false sense that I was patronizing you in some way, is worth it, i.e. I hope you can look back at the OP and your last post and note the improvement in quality, not just the fact that you used far fewer words to make your points.

One more thing, which I already alluded to but I want to emphasize:

Questionnaires can only be as good as the skill of the person who put it together coupled with the energy the person answering it puts in.

Although a questionnaire will set the limits or scope which can be helpful, it also may be too limiting, e.g. each human being thinks, believes, values, acts out of a psyche that is complex and outside the confines or range of any questionnaire.

Some of us operate far outside of it because of how we were brought up (loved, neglected, so-so; had our basic needs met or not; got help with basics to much more); where we were brought up (country of origin; any immigration at crucial ages; in a small town or large city and so on).

Many other factors such as age, disabilities, birth order, physical prowess or lack of it... influence whether very specific questions will leave us shaking our heads or doing a metaphorical (or actual) fist pump.

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That's it for now, except I want to emphasize 'now' that I got out of you (for you, not just my own satisfaction) far more helpful information; a better organized piece of writing; something more revealing, and an indicator that regardless of your MBTI cognitive function stack your intelligence, ability to buckle down once you understand and accept a task, and your self-restraint are impressive.

(I don't flatter, so whether my assertions matter to you or not, trust that much.)

 

[Turi]

I'll end with one example of lack of logic in your earlier post(s):

You opened a thread asking to be typed and then provided what you knew and asserted were 'stereotypes' as well as stating that you were at least three different types, and tossing in enneagram, then following the advice of someone who suggested you check out Big Five (which has nothing to do with MBTI).

For someone who wants an 'accurate MBTI reading' that behavior is illogical.

A logical approach would be to stay within the confines of MBTI as well as "lead" with trustworthy MBTI source information, not stereotypes.

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Typing yourself accurately requires a holistic approach, it's not that you find your MBTI dichotomy type, then your cognitive functions type, then your Big 5 type, then your Enneagram, and they can all be separate things.

They are not unrelated, unless you're providing completely different answers to each test, they will all tie in together relatively accurately to provide a bigger picture, more comprehensive idea of what a persons true type is.

Sticking purely within the confines of MBTI is illogical, and is apt exclusively for people who want nothing more than 4 letters to bandy about on the internet.
People with a true interest in developing themselves will surely, be seeking a more complete picture.


The OP scored RLUAI on the Big 5 test, this correlates to INFP - which, not coincidentally, is one of the three types the OP was considering as her MBTI type.

The OP also notes they are likely an Enneagram 6w5 - this isn't particularly uncommon for INFPs, and it would explain the reason why the OP has felt they could be an ISFJ, as Enneagram 6 is often associated with introverted sensing - this would explain why the OP might feel they have a general preference for J over P, when they read descriptors, yet have been returning INFP results at times.

Again, a 6w5 Enneagram is not an accident, it is not unrelated to MBTI, it is part of a larger more encompassing approach to discovering who you are what the best course of action is from there.


I'm not ready to make any real comments with regards to the OPs type, I'm still mulling it all over in my head, I feel like I need more information, perhaps how the OP might describe a picture or something, or solve a problem.


Since the OP is unclear as to whether they prefer S or N, either way, I believe it's relatively safe to assume that neither S nor N is the OPs dominant function. This would support an INxP or ISxP typing as the most likely conclusion.



If the OP is keen, I'd recommend exploring the Keirsey temperaments and trying to discover what temperament suits you the best - this can help point you in the right direction - can find this out through Please Understand Me II in the Kindle shop.

It's less technical than other books I'd recommend, but it's pretty accurate and will help you get a feel for the right temperament, alongside the books already mentioned, it will help narrow down your options quite a bit.

 

[anony321]

Typing yourself accurately requires a holistic approach, it's not that you find your MBTI dichotomy type, then your cognitive functions type, then your Big 5 type, then your Enneagram, and they can all be separate things.

They are not unrelated, unless you're providing completely different answers to each test, they will all tie in together relatively accurately to provide a bigger picture, more comprehensive idea of what a persons true type is.

Sticking purely within the confines of MBTI is illogical, and is apt exclusively for people who want nothing more than 4 letters to bandy about on the internet.
People with a true interest in developing themselves will surely, be seeking a more complete picture.


The OP scored RLUAI on the Big 5 test, this correlates to INFP - which, not coincidentally, is one of the three types the OP was considering as her MBTI type.

The OP also notes they are likely an Enneagram 6w5 - this isn't particularly uncommon for INFPs, and it would explain the reason why the OP has felt they could be an ISFJ, as Enneagram 6 is often associated with introverted sensing - this would explain why the OP might feel they have a general preference for J over P, when they read descriptors, yet have been returning INFP results at times.

Again, a 6w5 Enneagram is not an accident, it is not unrelated to MBTI, it is part of a larger more encompassing approach to discovering who you are what the best course of action is from there.


I'm not ready to make any real comments with regards to the OPs type, I'm still mulling it all over in my head, I feel like I need more information, perhaps how the OP might describe a picture or something, or solve a problem.


Since the OP is unclear as to whether they prefer S or N, either way, I believe it's relatively safe to assume that neither S nor N is the OPs dominant function. This would support an INxP or ISxP typing as the most likely conclusion.



If the OP is keen, I'd recommend exploring the Keirsey temperaments and trying to discover what temperament suits you the best - this can help point you in the right direction - can find this out through Please Understand Me II in the Kindle shop.

It's less technical than other books I'd recommend, but it's pretty accurate and will help you get a feel for the right temperament, alongside the books already mentioned, it will help narrow down your options quite a bit.

On the point of using multiple approaches, yes, that's what i had in mind while following your advice.
I did scored RLUAI on the big 5 test, though by a slight margin of 4% ; it mostly stems due to the fact that i answered most if not all questions concerning "orderliness" with the middle option. If i can be truly honest and pick what i would IDEALLY choose, whether i prefer randomness or organization, i would pick the latter any day. Being messy or random isn't comfortable to be honest, it only confuses me later on(a common example includes my messy handwriting, though on ideal conditions my handwriting can be easy on the eyes and neat). Main reason i'm unneat alot of the time are either caused by general fatigue after a long day or deprivation of a "proper" night's rest, and the slothness that comes with it or when i'm pre-occupied by my own mind.


On the subject of enneagram, while reliable to an extent, it can't really be the main focus/factor of deciding one's mbti type, as was reinforced in my mind earlier today. 2 of my friends scored the same type as me, but i can definitely tell we are all of different types.
Also, according to this graph, if the information it states are valid:

I have a higher chance of being either an INFJ or ISFJ ; I also came quite close to be a 3w4, my 6 score is 11, and my 3 score is 9.

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After further reading, combined with the things i've read prior, here's a short summary of what i think:


Ti dom: While i do like to ponder and critically analyze (i'm quiet a proponent of critical thinking) things, i do find it tiring at a certain point, and i can't completely reject emotions and feelings (especially of others).

Fi dom: Yes, i do have some personal values and i try to live by them ; though, in the grand scheme of things, my values and personal feelings is frankly, quite meaningless. I like learning about people, not just to compare their values with mind (i do it mainly to compare our merits ; i am quite competitive in nature), i genuinely find them interesting. Though i do agree humans are kinda shitty in general (yes, including me, (or "especially" me, at....certain times..)


Though, as i've stated above, my knowledge on this subject is intermediate at best, so make of it as you may.

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On the point that i'm either an INxP or ISxP:


INTP: I think i've pretty much explained this above

INFP: On the topic of Ne, i don't think i'm as wide or adventurous (so to say) as the average INFP. I can't stand it if a conversation gets derailed, it's as if i've just started sinking my teeth into a certain topic, i'm suddenly forced to pull it out, and bite into another one ; it feels "eugh". Though, if this new topic still interests me, i'll try and sink my teeth into it, but i'd still find it disorienting.
In my process of ideation or imagination, i can't be too scattered and all over the place, i require (a) certain hook(s) to latch on and start coming up with things based on those. It can be quite wild, but it won't be anything too far-fetched.

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For the latter types, i don't think i can really discern them individually right now, though elaborating on my current stance on N vs S might help:

While i do try and find the balance between the practical and the ideal, i do still find the hard, practical, real world ultimately boring. I especially can't stand the thought of doing something mundane, for an extended period of time. For that reason, i just can't see myself simply being an artist and just drawing for a living my entire life, i mean, i don't feel like there's anything more to it, i want to do something in my life that'll have a more profound impact on myself and for others.

Having said that, i don't really have a general distrust on the sensory world. I mean, i would zone-out at times, but to just be stuck on your mind, just, dismissing the real world (i'm having troubles wording this), just don't make complete sense to me. It's like having a nihilistic pressumption of the world, which some debates are generally implausible. The real world, is real to me, and i like to indulge in them at times: just enjoying the scenery and surroundings, tasting the good food, enjoying the feeling of being alive, learning things about it (therefore my interest in world history and the general sciences), noticing the small things and somehow be mesmerized by it. I also plan to go out and try more things out in the future, once i have the time and resources.

I can be nostalgic too sometimes and i can remember some events many years in the past (i can also remember some dreams i had long ago, though putting them to words is a different story), though i can't completely trust them since memories gets muddied after some time, and i mainly use it as a conversation starter (aka, small talks) and as a means of getting to know people better. I generally prefer talks with a degree of depth in them, compared to small talks. I mean, this may sound pretentious but, while i do and can sometimes enjoy small talks, i still find something lacking in them. Having a deep, and meaningful conversation "feels" more "complete" to me, it gives me many new insights and knowledge ; i enjoy it immensely. Though, unfortunately, i can only have these talks with very few people, since not many people around me care too much about these things, or maybe we just don't know each other to the extent we'd be more comfortable in sharing these things.

A small tidbit on how i solve problems. This example mainly applies at school while doing mathematical stuff.

So, sometimes, i would zone out and think about other things when my teacher's explaining things. While i do that, my his/her words would sound like gibberish and i won't "get" a thing. Then, we'd be told to do some tasks involving the sub-topic my teacher just explained to us a few moments ago. At that point, i'd be forced back into the "real" world, and my brain would kick off. I would scan the whiteboard, comb through my past notes (pain in the ass to read) or handouts (godsent) and look for clues (If those don't help, i'll ask my friend for some). After that (and also in-tandem) my (what i suspect is) Ti would kick in and begin to process the informations i received, an organized flow of the process would start to form and boom, i did it. If that failed, i'll just ask a classmate for further guidance.


Okay, it degenerated into a "short" ramble in the end, but those are my thoughts right now. I'm also having a mild headache and so i just want to relax, play games or just listen to some music..
(I have noticed patterns my entire life, and i "low-key" trust my intuition)

(PS:
1. I'm a guy
2. I've looked a bit into keirsey, i may plan to do more later on. )

 

[Turi]

Having said that, i don't really have a general distrust on the sensory world. I mean, i would zone-out at times, but to just be stuck on your mind, just, dismissing the real world (i'm having troubles wording this), just don't make complete sense to me. It's like having a nihilistic pressumption of the world, which some debates are generally implausible. The real world, is real to me, and i like to indulge in them at times: just enjoying the scenery and surroundings, tasting the good food, enjoying the feeling of being alive, learning things about it (therefore my interest in world history and the general sciences), noticing the small things and somehow be mesmerized by it. I also plan to go out and try more things out in the future, once i have the time and resources.

This rules out Ni as a dominant function - a general distrust of the sensory world is how Ni works, it's basically the whole point of Ni, it sees past what is currently happening because it doesn't trust it, it prefers to make sense of the meanings behind what is happening, rather than the happenings themself as they occur.


Imagine you're about to go to the beach - what's on your mind?



Now imagine you're at the beach, there's someone out windsurfing and there's a couple of people relaxing getting a tan, what's on your mind now?

So, sometimes, i would zone out and think about other things when my teacher's explaining things. While i do that, my his/her words would sound like gibberish and i won't "get" a thing. Then, we'd be told to do some tasks involving the sub-topic my teacher just explained to us a few moments ago. At that point, i'd be forced back into the "real" world, and my brain would kick off. I would scan the whiteboard, comb through my past notes (pain in the ass to read) or handouts (godsent) and look for clues (If those don't help, i'll ask my friend for some). After that (and also in-tandem) my (what i suspect is) Ti would kick in and begin to process the informations i received, an organized flow of the process would start to form and boom, i did it. If that failed, i'll just ask a classmate for further guidance.

This suggests productive use of an extraverted perceiving function to me.

What 'other things' would you think about, while the teacher was explaining things?

 

[anony321]

Having said that, i don't really have a general distrust on the sensory world. I mean, i would zone-out at times, but to just be stuck on your mind, just, dismissing the real world (i'm having troubles wording this), just don't make complete sense to me. It's like having a nihilistic pressumption of the world, which some debates are generally implausible. The real world, is real to me, and i like to indulge in them at times: just enjoying the scenery and surroundings, tasting the good food, enjoying the feeling of being alive, learning things about it (therefore my interest in world history and the general sciences), noticing the small things and somehow be mesmerized by it. I also plan to go out and try more things out in the future, once i have the time and resources.

This rules out Ni as a dominant function - a general distrust of the sensory world is how Ni works, it's basically the whole point of Ni, it sees past what is currently happening because it doesn't trust it, it prefers to make sense of the meanings behind what is happening, rather than the happenings themself as they occur.


Imagine you're about to go to the beach - what's on your mind?



Now imagine you're at the beach, there's someone out windsurfing and there's a couple of people relaxing getting a tan, what's on your mind now?

So, sometimes, i would zone out and think about other things when my teacher's explaining things. While i do that, my his/her words would sound like gibberish and i won't "get" a thing. Then, we'd be told to do some tasks involving the sub-topic my teacher just explained to us a few moments ago. At that point, i'd be forced back into the "real" world, and my brain would kick off. I would scan the whiteboard, comb through my past notes (pain in the ass to read) or handouts (godsent) and look for clues (If those don't help, i'll ask my friend for some). After that (and also in-tandem) my (what i suspect is) Ti would kick in and begin to process the informations i received, an organized flow of the process would start to form and boom, i did it. If that failed, i'll just ask a classmate for further guidance.

This suggests productive use of an extraverted perceiving function to me.

What 'other things' would you think about, while the teacher was explaining things?

General distrust as in, complete and total distrust of the sensory world? Hmm, while i don't distrust it completely, i can't really take what's there for granted, i mean it's there, but there's something more to it.

If im about to go there, prbbly the hot sun and the fact that there're going to be lots of people there. I'd also plan what i'll do and what to bring.

For the next part,
I won't really mind that much, they're all relaxing in their own ways, i'll just be here relaxing myself off, prbbly accompanied by some ponderings too.

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Usually either something that's bothering me, thinking of events that happened during breaktime, thinking of what i'd do in the future, interconnection of the basic fundemental laws of the universe (not always), etc. My mind would usually only be fixated on 1 topic at a time.

Sometimes, it'll just completely be blank..it's just blank, nothing else.

 

[Turi]

General distrust as in, complete and total distrust of the sensory world? Hmm, while i don't distrust it completely, i can't really take what's there for granted, i mean it's there, but there's something more to it.

Pretty much. The sensory world isn't the focus of an Ni dominant nor does it possess any real truths or importance.

If im about to go there, prbbly the hot sun and the fact that there're going to be lots of people there. I'd also plan what i'll do and what to bring.

This demonstrates use of Si - I'm not saying it's your dominant function, or even if it's a part of your top 4 functions, we all use every function all day every day, however what you would be utilising in this response, is Si.

Planning out what you will take with you to the beach, in advance, would be you stabilising your sense impressions by integrating something you know to be consistent, with you to the beach.
This would look like someone taking their favourite book, or even just a certain snack you like, it's an inner force that is seeking to maintain some kind of stability.

Si is also present in the fact that your focus is on constants - more things that will stabilise the situation - the hot sun, and the fact there will be lots of people are there.

Your focus isn't on things you might be doing at the beach, it's instead on things that don't change - constants - Si.

For the next part,
I won't really mind that much, they're all relaxing in their own ways, i'll just be here relaxing myself off, prbbly accompanied by some ponderings too.

This doesn't suggest much besides possibly Fi or Fe in that you're happy to let everyone else live and let live, and seek to do the same thing (this could be Fi for obvious reasons, or Fe in that it's born out of an inner desire for harmony, i.e, we're all just being happy doing what we want).. it's also worth noting you don't mention anything along the lines of that you would enjoy windsurfing as well or anything, so perhaps not much preference for Se.

To compare, how Ni might react to this situation, is it would question why do people windsurf? Why do people get tans? What's the meaning behind getting a tan? Is it something they do because they want to, or because it's something society as a whole sees value in?

Obviously, this example isn't useful for typing yourself with - don't feel I'm ramming you into any type that prefers the Si-Ne axis - because it's completely hypothetical - the only way to actually know what would go on, is to be in that situation and have you practically vlog it for us or something.

I'm just trying to get explain how what you're saying comes across and where it links with the cognitive functions, as far as I understand them.

I stole a fair bit of the beach and tan thing from a book called The MBTI Manual from Lenore Thompson, didn't totally make it up on the spot.

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Usually either something that's bothering me, thinking of events that happened during breaktime, thinking of what i'd do in the future, interconnection of the basic fundemental laws of the universe (not always), etc. My mind would usually only be fixated on 1 topic at a time.

Sometimes, it'll just completely be blank..it's just blank, nothing else.

Interesting, this further supports Si - focused on things from the past and wondering how you could improve similar situations in the future.. only focused on one thing at a time..

I would really give ISFJ another thought, possibly ISTJ as well.