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Interesting article that I wanted to share. I feel like it is quite insightful and makes me think more deeply about career choices and enneagram type.

Career Choices for Enneagram Types – The Great Office Escape

I used to think it was just mbti which could help a person find where they might fit in, but now I see the enneagram has a very strong pull too...maybe even stronger pull.

I mean, I see the list of enfj careers and there are just some that stand out more to me than others...and now I see it is due to being a 4.

So for the 4s out there who have found some happiness in their jobs, what job do you have? Why do you like it?
 
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That actually reminds me of the 4's line to 2:

Four's Connection to 2

Healthy connection brings interpersonal skills and the ability to voluntarily empathize with others. Can make good psychotherapists, teachers, ministers, parents. Teach others about the realms of subjectivity. Twoish capacity to identify with an audience. Good communicators, fine therapeutic skills. Can listen and accept, especially willing to understand the pain of friends. Less selfish. Will harbor and act upon ideals of service to others.
I feel really really good when I'm listening to someone and helping them solve a problem. There's something really refreshing about looking outside of myself; I'm so self-absorbed most of the time. I find it exhilarating to try and think of solutions and suggestions, discussing that with people, having them feel a little better because they've talked to someone. I like being that kind of person for someone.

I want to become a therapist :3
 
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I see myself doing something in spiritual leadership in the near future. I want to help others discover who they were meant to be, and to be able to influence and inspire them along the way to help them make the changes in their lives that they want to make. I am going through my own spiritual reawakening right now so I have to do some work on myself before I can make that happen...but it will happen. I see it as my calling and my purpose in life.
 

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Fascinating. I'm an INFJ and type 4w5. I'm a counsellor working primarily with young people and absolutely love my job. It literally gives me a high and I genuinely would prefer to go to work than spend time with 'friends'. I feel very lame saying so, but hey.. such is the life of a 4.
 

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They would be miserable in a stiff environment where every day was the same and there was no room for opinion or alternative suggestions to problem solving.

THIS.

My aim is criminal investigation, which is something I love because it's never the same and you're required to think outside the box to solve sometimes complex, difficult cases. I also like the emotional impact because that would drive me to get to the crux of the matter. Right now I work in civil investigations, which is similar but much less intense. Except when we get like... child porn cases or sexual misconduct cases.
 

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kaleidoscope:3426221 said:
That actually reminds me of the 4's line to 2:

Four's Connection to 2

Healthy connection brings interpersonal skills and the ability to voluntarily empathize with others. Can make good psychotherapists, teachers, ministers, parents. Teach others about the realms of subjectivity. Twoish capacity to identify with an audience. Good communicators, fine therapeutic skills. Can listen and accept, especially willing to understand the pain of friends. Less selfish. Will harbor and act upon ideals of service to others.
I feel really really good when I'm listening to someone and helping them solve a problem. There's something really refreshing about looking outside of myself; I'm so self-absorbed most of the time. I find it exhilarating to try and think of solutions and suggestions, discussing that with people, having them feel a little better because they've talked to someone. I like being that kind of person for someone.

I want to become a therapist :3
I didn't much relate to anything in the link (except for the struggle to find meaningful work... do I ever relate to that :dry:), but I like this a lot. I've had a lot of upheaval in the last year in terms of what I want to do with my life and I've finally settled on social work for a lot of these reasons. I don't relate to any descriptions of 2 I've come across, but there's been a steady thread of wanting to help people that has been present in almost all of my career choices in the last decade or so.

You would make a wonderful therapist, @kaleidoscope
 

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I have a job that's just a job and I'm working on a degree that will give me a job that I will at least be able to tolerate. I like some aspects of my current job, but it's not a long-term solution unless I want to work in retail for the rest of my life.

My real passion is writing and I hope to reach people that way, rather than through being a therapist. I would suffer emotional burnout.
 

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Thanks for the responses!
 

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Fascinating. I'm an INFJ and type 4w5. I'm a counsellor working primarily with young people and absolutely love my job. It literally gives me a high and I genuinely would prefer to go to work than spend time with 'friends'. I feel very lame saying so, but hey.. such is the life of a 4.

Lucky! Did you get a masters in counseling?
 

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Photographer and musician on the side, but anything with a creative outlet will do really. To me there's nothing better than finding the thing you love to do the most, getting skilled at it (studying the craft, either through school or learning it on your own), and make a living from it. If that means mac & cheese for dinner, so be it. All about priorities :)
 

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Ha. I'm at a crossroads right now and debating, actually, whether to go for web design or psychology.

I have more of a background for web design and have more contacts doing that kind of work, and I could actually get employed without an advanced degree. But being a psychologist sounds incredibly rewarding. I love digging deep into people's brains. It's my hobby.
 

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That actually reminds me of the 4's line to 2:


I feel really really good when I'm listening to someone and helping them solve a problem. There's something really refreshing about looking outside of myself; I'm so self-absorbed most of the time. I find it exhilarating to try and think of solutions and suggestions, discussing that with people, having them feel a little better because they've talked to someone. I like being that kind of person for someone.

I want to become a therapist :3
By the way, where did you find the quote? It sounds really interesting.

Although this is getting off-topic, I am starting to believe that the lines of disintegration and lines of integration might actually blend for people. Like sometimes when I am really stressed I act like an unhealthy 1, lots of self-criticism and criticism of others, then other times when I feel not stressed, I get outside of my own problems and try to help out others like a 2. I read an article by Susan Rhodes, author of Positive Enneagram (an 4w5 herself), that our lines of disintegration and integration are blurred. That it is true for other 4's that they find themselves acting like unhealthy 1's when they are stressed.

I think that perhaps we grow from learning from utilizing both sources of energy (both the 2 and the 1). Therefore I am very interested in learning how a 4 learns from being like a 2.
 
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I don't like myself when I go towards a two, a misconception about the 2s is that they're selfless and always helping people. But usually they do this because of their lack of self-worth and selfrespect, so they put others above themselves. I think people should always put themselves first, because that's just human nature. Doing otherwise just seems like a big pretend game to me, helping others to help yourself. I don't mean people should be ego-centric and selfish, but I just think it's unnatural for a human being to be selfless, cause we are not selfless creatures. I'm all for helping others, but never at the cost of your own being. So I actually dislike it when I go towards a two, and I'll think to myself ugh I'm acting like an unhealthy 2 again, I must stop this now. (<- its usually an unhealthy 2 I go towards). I think that a healthy 4 automatically wants to be there for the people they care about, but without expecting anything in return. So not sure if going towards a 2 is actually helping, I think it leads them away from their strong point, connection with the self, and through that with others.

To add to that, I actually think its better for a 4 to go towards a "Do" type. Going towards a two will keep them trapped in their emotions, going towards a thinker type puts them in a battle between mind and emotions, while going towards a type like a 7, will put them more into the world. I think the thing a 4 (or a 5 for that matter) misses the most is the ability to put themselves into the world, instead of being trapped inside yourself. I can be pretty envious (duh) towards people that are able to just "do".
 

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You know that saying, "Find what you love and then do it & you'll never work a day in your life"?
I HATE THAT SAYING. It's massive BS.

The reality is, once something is a "job", the joy is sucked from it & money taints it. The minute I am obligated to do something when I don't feel like it because I need the income to survive, then I resent it. Plus, to make $, you have to do stuff other people like/need/want. This is suffocating to me, not inspiring or fulfilling. There is no real autonomy when money enters the picture.

I do graphic design & the churning out of print ads with its limitations on my ideas & narrow field of variety has really killed my love of visual art. I can't create much out of my job because it sucks all my creative energy without fulfilling anything but giving me a paycheck.

I don't believe in "careers" or attaching identity to my job. My job is a job is a job. My passions are mine, with no price attached, no deadlines or expectations from others, no obligation.
 

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I HATE THAT SAYING. It's massive BS.
Well, I partly agree. I think that saying shouldn't be taken that literal. I know plenty of people that love their job and have chosen that direction of work because they were/are passionate about it, and still are after years. It is true that once you HAVE to do it, it changes a lot, and that it kinda sucks the life out of it, especially for arts. But in my eyes the saying isn't about picking a job that's fun, it's about doing work that doesn't suck the life out of you. If you are a creative person and you have to pick between doing something creative as your job, or a torturing 9 to 5 job that you absolutely hate, chances are you'd be a lot more motivated (and a lot less burnt out after a couple of years) if you pick the first one. So yes, it'll still be work, you'll still have stressed out days and days you'll hate to go to work, but a lot less than with a job that you hate.

Now I recognize that problem about a passion that gets ruined when it turns into a job. I think the best solution for this is, if you don't want to have your passion "ruined", is to choose a job that you like as much as possible, and keep your true passion as a hobby on the side. Or as a part-time job without the stress and deadlines etc.

But never do a job that you hate, and if you have to do it because you have no choice/financial obligations, try to work on something in your spare time to either find out what you like to do and how to turn that thing into an income. Either that or accept that your work sucks and you have no choice. Don't complain about a burnout if you choose the latter though.
 

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Yea :) I highly recommend anyone going for counselling training if youve ever considered it. Its life changing.
I am! I applied to a few graduate programs for the fall; college counseling and community counseling programs, though I would imagine both can be pretty interchangeable.
 

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I am! I applied to a few graduate programs for the fall; college counseling and community counseling programs, though I would imagine both can be pretty interchangeable.
Awesome! What approach are the courses focussed on? Mine was mostly person-centred therapy... although ive found in practice ive been more integrative. I'd be interested to hear how it goes for you... if its anything like my course was, be prepared for your whole life to change for the better :D
 
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Awesome! What approach are the courses focussed on? Mine was mostly person-centred therapy... although ive found in practice ive been more integrative. I'd be interested to hear how it goes for you... if its anything like my course was, be prepared for your whole life to change for the better :D
Both programs I believe are more person-centered. I have applied to begin attending in the fall, so hopefully I get into one of the programs. I hope it is life changing for me as it was for you! It sounds like your degree resulted in an extremely gratifying position.
 
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Both programs I believe are more person-centered. I have applied to begin attending in the fall, so hopefully I get into one of the programs. I hope it is life changing for me as it was for you! It sounds like your degree resulted in an extremely gratifying position.
Yes it did, although still unpaid which is a bit difficult. I've actually applied today for a diploma course in children and young people counselling, which I'm hoping I get on to beginning september :) What would you want to do long-term with the program?
 
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