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Okay, so I moved to China about 6 months ago. I've been having a really hard time getting around the "Great Firewall of China" to get to normal American websites, but I have it figured out now .... so here I am and let me tell you this place is amazing.

First off the level of personal freedom here is unexpectedly MASSIVE. When I first got here I was told by a Chinese friend "just do whatever you want to until someone tells you to stop". That's basically how things work here. There are no age limits on drinking and smoking, you can roll up a joint and smoke it in the middle of a dance club, there are no seat belt laws, or helmet laws, you can walk in the street and drive your car on the sidewalk if you want too. It's spectacular. I never thought I'd find a place that made me feel like I was literally free to do anything I please.

That all said this entire culture has had all free thinking, problem solving, and critical thinking skills completely stripped out of every individual person. Not only can you physically do ANYTHING you want, but they don't have the psychological means to defend from ANYTHING you want to get them to do either. Sure it gets boring every now and then, never having a challenge, but it's more fun being able to let EVERYTHING hang out and just be however you want to be and get whatever you want to get.

In summery ... give it a try if you ever get a chance. China is awesome.
 

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While I agree with your assessment, being Chinese myself and getting news fed to me all the time from China, it's also one of the places primarily where all the fucked up things happen in the world. And at times, some of the things they choose to do ... are a bit feral. I mean, walking into the middle of a road and squatting down to take a turd? Not knowing you've given birth while on the toilet and flushing it down the pipe? Affected over possibly 300000 babies with poisoned baby milk powder? And chillingly, making medicine out of dead babies/fetuses? It's all quite scary up to a point of the possibilities. Lets not mention all the bootlegs/copies of actual products (which is actually quite interesting!).

(The ones I mentioned where more publicised and because it's baby related it seems to get more attention, but that's on top of all the other random unknown scandals lol)
 

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Go to China, where the social tourism will leave you feeling like a God. Where you can let loose and be free like you have never done so before AND simultaneously contrast your oh-so-civilized West, especially the USA, (of course :rolleyes:) as superior to the 'feral' and barbaric China of mindless robots.
 

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Ahhhh Psyphon! I figured you'd scampered off to a new country!

We must have story timez :cool:
 

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did u notice the american who dared to tell the truth went to russia to get asylum?
 
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also, in china stay away from preaching anything to do with any god, especially to kids. just sayin.....
 

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It's gotten so bad in the US that I have people telling me that they think GERMANY has us beat in real terms of personal freedom. So this doesn't surprise me much.
Don't forget that the intelligent in the U.S. are about the same as German Commonfolk:laughing:

It's sad, but true :happy:.
 

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Sounds boring.
I mean yeah, bureaucracy is an asshole and I wish to violate it with a 12 foot hotdog I dipped in sewage and puppydog tears, and on fire. But what's the fun being slowly influenced by a culture of drones? I chose to stay here BECAUSE I'm not ready to leave, just yet.

Not to mention you could just use the .tor network or some shit to bypass that.
Also PirateBrowser works, I hear, especially in conjunction with some VPNS and you'd be BASICALLY INVISIBLE, but that would also be boring, I want those PERVERTED FREAKS TO SEE WHAT I "FAP" TO.
Seriously, I go to henious websites from time to time, just so I can giggle at the guy/thing having to sift through the MASSIVE TORRENT OF PORN.

Don't forget that the intelligent in the U.S. are about the same as German Commonfolk:laughing:

It's sad, but true :happy:.
Protip: The language knowledge average of a German is 1.2, Americans? 0.7...
Actually I don't know, I remember reading that at an infographic somewhere. Can't recall where, could've been something else, probably right though.
 

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Go to China, where the social tourism will leave you feeling like a God. Where you can let loose and be free like you have never done so before AND simultaneously contrast your oh-so-civilized West, especially the USA, (of course :rolleyes:) as superior to the 'feral' and barbaric China of mindless robots.
ROFL .... that was cute. I actually like the history, culture, life-pace, and system of getting things done here in China WAY more than I do in the states. I also think the there are an excess of highly intelligent people here in comparison. Those intelligent people just so happen to have almost NO critical thinking skills in the slightest bit .... that's all. @SlowPoke68 has a point about the current state of America.

Don't worry @nujabes .... stories will come. I'm leaving for vacation to a tropical island tomorrow so I'm prolly not gonna tell them now. But they are coming.
 
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I had the same revelations when I went to Afghanistan a decade ago. I was on a small base of Special Ops personnel pretty much all of whom either had or were working on getting a college degree. The mentality was "Here's the rules and procedures, if they make sense for the situation then use them, but if you can find a better solution then just do that instead." The country had basically no real laws, just a bunch of guidelines and traditions that people typically followed. You could basically do whatever the hell you wanted with the basic understanding that if you mess up it's on your head. Pretty much all restrictions were intentionally self imposed. It was very much an eye opening and thoroughly liberating experience (especially when viewed through the lens of the ENTP) that left me with the epiphany that for the land of the free, Americans have absolutely no freaking clue what real freedom is...and it's only gotten more restrictive since then.
 

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ROFL .... that was cute. I actually like the history, culture, life-pace, and system of getting things done here in China WAY more than I do in the states. I also think the there are an excess of highly intelligent people here in comparison. Those intelligent people just so happen to have almost NO critical thinking skills in the slightest bit .... that's all.
LOL! Talk about cute....Do you have any examples of their lack of critical thinking skills? Are you generalizing the lack of critical thinking skills from just a few people to the entirety of a nation? I've lived all my life in a Western country and could you not say the same about people everywhere? *cough* the embarrassing disconnection of a Western superiority complex *cough*

Maybe you lack the language skills but I've also been to China before and the people I've met have critiqued the shit outta system they live in.
 

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nature vs nurture. some skills/functions are indeed related to heredity.

If we were to argue being an ENTP was sort of related to heredity at some level, then there will be no creative ENTP's in that country. That country has had generations to wipe out the creative, non conformist spirit.

It is much different today, but there is an opportunity there, and government seems to be willing to allow it and perhaps even encourage it.
 

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nature vs nurture. some skills/functions are indeed related to heredity.

If we were to argue being an ENTP was sort of related to heredity at some level, then there will be no creative ENTP's in that country. That country has had generations to wipe out the creative, non conformist spirit.

It is much different today, but there is an opportunity there, and government seems to be willing to allow it and perhaps even encourage it.
 

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You know, that country is still recovering from ten years of massive social and economic dislocation. It doesn't surprise me if some of the details of governance haven't quite caught up.

On the other hand, what it lacks it in regulatory structure, it kind of makes up for in brute force. Having "foreigner" stamped across one's forehead is like a get out of jail free pass, though.
 

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Nice
I'll make sure to purchase a tank and journey down the Great Wall with it when I get there.

It's incredible how subjective of a word "freedom" is, what to one is freedom to another is prison.
 

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I found this interesting, as an ENTP who lived in China for a bit...

It's a strange place, in the sense that I found it to be simultaneously restrictive/bureaucratic AND a free-for-all. It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't been there.

Most of my experiences were out west (Yunnan, Szechuan), where the attitude is very much "the mountains are high and the emperor is far away", so I probably experienced a bit more of a relaxed environment than is usual in China. Predictably, my brief stays in Beijing (and to a slightly lesser extent, Shanghai) were a little more "stuffy".

Basically, my experience was, as long as you don't break any of the obviously communicated expectations, you can do mostly as you please. As an ENTP, this was frustrating/confusing in certain cases, especially when I wanted to "go exploring". There were some definite cases where the message was "we don't especially give a shit what you do, Mr. American, but you're not going to be doing it anywhere north of THAT street".

Early on, I made the mistake of revealing that I was a political science major. That was sort of a silly thing to do in Tiananmen Square. I might as well have written "WATCH THIS GUY EXTRA CLOSE" in big red Chinese characters on my forehead. A lot of the "suspicion" ended up being smoothed over when I identified myself as a democratic socialist - the MP's found that somewhat amusing/surprising, coming from an American. I still didn't get to see the inside of any of the "interesting" buildings, but that's life sometimes. Long story short, avoiding the topics of politics and/or religion is wise.

Basically, the OP is correct - it IS an ENTP playground, as long as you know when to repress some of your "ENTP urges". Arguing with police is distinctly out of the question. Asking too many awkward questions is a bad idea. Pushing your curiosity can be a really bad idea. But as long as you can be savvy about that, you can have quite a bit of fun.

Something else I found out quickly was to be aware of the infamous "Asian yes". That got me into a little bit of trouble a few times. Anyone who's been to Asia knows what I mean. If you ask permission or something like that, and you get a "yes", they may mean "Yes, I understand what you're asking." not "Yes, you can." Important detail for anyone who wants to go to that part of the world.

So basically, as you would expect - mind your P's and Q's, be mindful of the concept of "face", don't push authority too hard when it's being obvious, and it's a terrific place to spend some time. If you can get over some of the rougher aspects (China seemed to want to kill me every now and again, somehow, through traffic, food, or something else), worth a trip.
 

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Why don't you just move out to Wyoming or Montana? There's areas so remote there nobody will mess with you and you can pretty much do whatever you want. I know when I was taking a few back roads in Wyoming you could feel the freedom out there. Just buy some land in the middle of nowhere, put up a large shed, get supplies, and have at it. During the winter, I doubt anyone would even be able to reach you.
 

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Besides "doing whatever you want", what brings you to China?
 
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