This thread is made to confront the idea that ENTJ is some how magically successful. This is not a thread to make excuses for for a bad situation, but to acknowledge fallacy in typification.
I have seen a lot of threads that talk about success and ENTJ types etc. My gripe is that an ENTJ from a poor background might make use of a situation that is considered to be immoral or low class in order to rise above their situation. I think people like to pretend that ENTJ's are a bunch of driven people who will just transcend any situation they are confronted with. As if there are no unhealthy ENTJ's who make the best of given situations despite moral implications.
Maybe it's a bit of a a leap to expose myself on this level, but I absolutely don't give a rats ass what anybody thinks.
There is a bad idea that ENTJ could not succumb to immediate success without long range planning.
There is also another stupid idea that if you don't fit into a mold of MBTI or Keirsey descriptives that one must not be and ENTJ.
I don't think many of you are really thinking.
As if All ENTJ's are CEO's, or as if they all have credentials that are noteworthy in the eyes of others who have success.
I personally am an executive of a branch of restaurants. I made it here within one and a half years. I went from prison to making sandwiches at the first job I could find and worked my way up and jumped forward into better positions until I arrived where I am at. I am not crazy about the idea that I have to deal with food service, but with a felony record and owning my own record label that was recognized all over Europe and many other countries, to losing my place in a fast paced social environment due to having to deal with a few of my own mistakes, you take your good with you bad and try to regain status where you can. You keep chugging forward.
I constantly get comments from my boss saying that I am worth a million in the business world, and a billion in the streets. But I have met other people in low places (gang leaders etc.) who are for sure ENTJ or ENTP types that are the king of their little fishbowls and are expanding.
I absolutely detest the idea that people imply moral or ethical standards to typology. That is probably the worst type of thinking I have seen.
I think you get the gist of what I am saying here. I don't really think that people despite their type are really beyond environmental factors (that is not an excuse but commentary on the idea that you will never forget where you came from and these situations indeed shape your thinking). Sure you can push through it, you can pave you own road and all that, but I think people misconstrue typology, and idealize it to an unrealistic point.
Please share your ideas, qualms and commentary.
I have seen a lot of threads that talk about success and ENTJ types etc. My gripe is that an ENTJ from a poor background might make use of a situation that is considered to be immoral or low class in order to rise above their situation. I think people like to pretend that ENTJ's are a bunch of driven people who will just transcend any situation they are confronted with. As if there are no unhealthy ENTJ's who make the best of given situations despite moral implications.
Maybe it's a bit of a a leap to expose myself on this level, but I absolutely don't give a rats ass what anybody thinks.
There is a bad idea that ENTJ could not succumb to immediate success without long range planning.
There is also another stupid idea that if you don't fit into a mold of MBTI or Keirsey descriptives that one must not be and ENTJ.
I don't think many of you are really thinking.
As if All ENTJ's are CEO's, or as if they all have credentials that are noteworthy in the eyes of others who have success.
I personally am an executive of a branch of restaurants. I made it here within one and a half years. I went from prison to making sandwiches at the first job I could find and worked my way up and jumped forward into better positions until I arrived where I am at. I am not crazy about the idea that I have to deal with food service, but with a felony record and owning my own record label that was recognized all over Europe and many other countries, to losing my place in a fast paced social environment due to having to deal with a few of my own mistakes, you take your good with you bad and try to regain status where you can. You keep chugging forward.
I constantly get comments from my boss saying that I am worth a million in the business world, and a billion in the streets. But I have met other people in low places (gang leaders etc.) who are for sure ENTJ or ENTP types that are the king of their little fishbowls and are expanding.
I absolutely detest the idea that people imply moral or ethical standards to typology. That is probably the worst type of thinking I have seen.
I think you get the gist of what I am saying here. I don't really think that people despite their type are really beyond environmental factors (that is not an excuse but commentary on the idea that you will never forget where you came from and these situations indeed shape your thinking). Sure you can push through it, you can pave you own road and all that, but I think people misconstrue typology, and idealize it to an unrealistic point.
Please share your ideas, qualms and commentary.