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Hello! I created this thread because I, like many others on this website, am unsure of my personality type. Some additional information about me: I took the test multiple times and got INTP and INTJ. I was kind of skeptical because only a fraction of people who take the test get those results. I know for sure that I am an introvert. Also, I am a teenager, and some sources say that my brain is not fully developed and I cannot be trusted to make logical decisions. This should be accounted for as you read. It would be much appreciated if anyone could quickly read over this questionnaire and offer some input.
Thanks for looking at this! :)


0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.
I am a female in my mid-teens and have been very stressed for the past month or so. Oh, and I took some Tums yesterday. Does that count?


1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.
I clicked the link and got a duck. The picture was "Multicolor" by Richard et Diane. It was beautiful. I liked the coloring of the duck. It was green and red and white on its head and neck, but only black, tan, and white on its body. It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together. I really didn't like the color of its eye. I think it was staring at me like it wanted to kidnap me at night. Overall, fantastic picture. I recommend looking it up!


2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?
My thoughts would depend on a couple factors. If I was the one driving the car, I would be rechecking my actions before the trip to see if I had forgotten something (gas, oil, I don't actually know, I don't drive.) because it would be my car if I was driving it, probably. Or maybe not, in which case I would be asking the car's owner if they had forgotten anything.
If we broke down in the middle of somewhere that has cell phone service, I would be planning to make a few calls. I would also worry that we would be late for our hotel check-in time or the concert either way.

My outward reaction would depend on the people I was with. If I was with acquaintances or random carpoolers (more uncomfortable) I would still ask the car's owner if they knew what had happened, but maybe in a less confident way. If I was with friends, I would do the same, but my manner would be a bit louder and more jovial.

I would be very annoyed no matter who I was with, but that is a given.


3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?
Oh, so I wasn't the driver. Oops. I guess I should have read ahead.
I would be very skeptical of the driver's assurance to me and would volunteer to drive back myself just in case. I would not feel comfortable attending the party, especially since I would be tired after the concert. If I absolutely had to go, I would stay with my friends or find somewhere quiet to do something by myself.


4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?
And the people driving with me were friends. Ah. I would be very tired after the concert and the party, so I would either ignore her or get very angry and lash out. What I would say depends on what the claim is and how she delivered it. Was her tone spiteful? If so, I would probably get angrier. I would demand to hear an explanation of her belief and immediately try to find fault with it.( I have a bit of a short temper.)
Did she state the claim without backing it up? Once again, I would demand an explanation and get very frustrated if she didn't provide one or it didn't make any sense. Although I wouldn't like for this to happen often, if she offered something that made sense, regardless of tone or intent, I would consider what she had said. I probably wouldn't apologize but would discuss it again in the future once I had calmed down.


5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?
I would be upset, but I would have to change my beliefs to fit what I had seen.


6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?
I value hard work, fairness, perseverance, and passion. I also value straightforwardness in relationships. I dislike passive-aggressive behavior above all else.

I value hard work and perseverance because I am generally not someone who works hard. It is something that I wish I could change about myself and something I value in others. I don't think that I have to explain why I value fairness or passion. I find it unnecessary to skirt around a topic or sensitive subject if it will be brought up anyway in the future. My aversion to this probably has to do with my impatience. Passive-aggressive behavior is somewhat related to this. If one has a complaint about something or is dissatisfied with what others are doing, they should bring it up. Expecting others to figure out what one means is unhelpful and frankly, ridiculous.

I don't really like the last part of this question. My values can change if I meet someone, witness something, or discover something more valuable that changes what I think. They can also change over time, etc etc... I don't understand what this means.


7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else?
I don't know. I like to entertain the notion that I am different from everyone else, or "special", but I try to believe that we are all very similar at our most basic levels. I do not know how to answer this question besides what I have already typed.
b) If you could change one thing about your personality, what would it be? Why?
I would like to be more confident. I have had trouble in the past with procrastination and talking to others, both of which I think has to do with my lack of confidence.


8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?
My hunches are usually about other people's personality and future behavior when I meet them for the first time. Although I try not to take them into account, I usually subconsciously judge them based on what I think. However, I find that I am often right. It's actually very fun, analyzing others. Maybe I like it because I'm nosy.


9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?
I am a very competitive person, so I like performing well in class or in any academic event. Scoring well on tests boosts my confidence and makes me feel happier. I also like having meaningful conversations with my friends. I enjoy getting to know other people if we have the same interests. (I was about to say "they are interesting to me", but I thought that sounded a little arrogant.) I get exhausted at large social events like parties or conventions, even if I am with friends. I don't know why I get so tired. I think the muscles in my cheeks start to hurt if I give too many fake smiles or something.


10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?
I try not to repress too much when I am with friends because I am comfortable around them. When I am with people from school or teachers, I am terribly awkward. You could say I repress everything. I am very quiet and do not talk much. My friends say that I look like I want to leave the room when I talk to people I am not close with. I have been wondering for a while if I have some kind of social anxiety for this reason.
 

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I'm leaning INTJ, but it would help to know if you favor Ni or Ne. Ni sees broad interior connections, and Ne sees externally oriented possibilities - logician vs. inventor. Since INTJ favors Ni and INTP favors Ne, that distinction might help.

All my INTJ friends are lawyers - yes, all! All the INTP's in my life are massively good creative problem solvers in the external world. They can rig any contraption anywhere. Hope that helps!
 

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You sound a bit too expressive with what you believe is right instead of what you think is the correct way, smells like INFJ to me.
 

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@LlamadeusMozart I am not sure which one I prefer. I have trouble determining if I am a sensor or an intuitor in the first place. It's easier for me to learn in school when concepts are introduced with an overview(N), but I also think that details are as important to know(S). Why do you think that I might be an INTX and not ISTX?

Anyway, if I am an N, I looked up differences between Ni and Ne online and found this helpful chart that seems to condense the information.


So Ne dominants prefer to deduce many possible solutions or outcomes to a problem or scenario from one piece of information, while Ni dominants prefer to absorb many different pieces of information to reach one conclusion. I am pretty sure, at least.

If the chart is correct, then I think I might be a Ne. An interesting fact: I seem to prefer to use Ne(ostensibly) when I am writing, especially a free-written essay where I am supposed to be creative. I use Ni(ostensibly) at school and for general problem solving.

What is the difference between your "right" and your "correct", @The Producer ?
 

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Greetings, let's analyze this shall we?

Hello! I created this thread because I, like many others on this website, am unsure of my personality type. Some additional information about me: I took the test multiple times and got INTP and INTJ. I was kind of skeptical because only a fraction of people who take the test get those results. I know for sure that I am an introvert. Also, I am a teenager, and some sources say that my brain is not fully developed and I cannot be trusted to make logical decisions. This should be accounted for as you read. It would be much appreciated if anyone could quickly read over this questionnaire and offer some input.
Thanks for looking at this! :)


0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.
I am a female in my mid-teens and have been very stressed for the past month or so. Oh, and I took some Tums yesterday. Does that count? No -_-, but the tums comment, could be a sign of inferior Fe.


1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.
I clicked the link and got a duck. The picture was "Multicolor" by Richard et Diane. It was beautiful. I liked the coloring of the duck. It was green and red and white on its head and neck, but only black, tan, and white on its body. It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together. Interesting for sure. I really didn't like the color of its eye. I think it was staring at me like it wanted to kidnap me at night. Overall, fantastic picture. I recommend looking it up! I don't know why but I am not really getting anything from this. At this time, S> N.


2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?
My thoughts would depend on a couple factors. If I was the one driving the car, I would be rechecking my actions before the trip to see if I had forgotten something (gas, oil, I don't actually know, I don't drive.) because it would be my car if I was driving it, probably. Or maybe not, in which case I would be asking the car's owner if they had forgotten anything.
If we broke down in the middle of somewhere that has cell phone service, I would be planning to make a few calls. I would also worry that we would be late for our hotel check-in time or the concert either way.Te.

My outward reaction would depend on the people I was with. If I was with acquaintances or random carpoolers (more uncomfortable) I would still ask the car's owner if they knew what had happened, but maybe in a less confident way. If I was with friends, I would do the same, but my manner would be a bit louder and more jovial.

I would be very annoyed no matter who I was with, but that is a given.


3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?
Oh, so I wasn't the driver. Oops. I guess I should have read ahead.
I would be very skeptical of the driver's assurance to me Si users want reliability and would volunteer to drive back myself just in case. I would not feel comfortable attending the party, especially since I would be tired after the concert. If I absolutely had to go, I would stay with my friends or find somewhere quiet to do something by myself.


4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?
And the people driving with me were friends. Ah. I would be very tired after the concert and the party, so I would either ignore her or get very angry and lash out. What I would say depends on what the claim is and how she delivered it. Was her tone spiteful? If so, I would probably get angrier. I would demand to hear an explanation of her belief and immediately try to find fault with it. Ti-Fe.( I have a bit of a short temper.)
Did she state the claim without backing it up? Once again, I would demand an explanation and get very frustrated if she didn't provide one or it didn't make any sense. More Ti.Although I wouldn't like for this to happen often, if she offered something that made sense, regardless of tone or intent, I would consider what she had said. I probably wouldn't apologize but would discuss it again in the future once I had calmed down.


5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?
I would be upset, but I would have to change my beliefs to fit what I had seen. Ti-Ne.


6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?
I value hard work, fairness, perseverance, and passion. I also value straightforwardness in relationships. I dislike passive-aggressive behavior above all else.

I value hard work and perseverance because I am generally not someone who works hard. It is something that I wish I could change about myself and something I value in others. I don't think that I have to explain why I value fairness or passion. I find it unnecessary to skirt around a topic or sensitive subject if it will be brought up anyway in the future. My aversion to this probably has to do with my impatience. Passive-aggressive behavior is somewhat related to this. If one has a complaint about something or is dissatisfied with what others are doing, they should bring it up. Expecting others to figure out what one means is unhelpful and frankly, ridiculous.

I don't really like the last part of this question. My values can change if I meet someone Fe, witness something, or discover something more valuable that changes what I think. They can also change over time, etc etc... I don't understand what this means. Not sure if this is Ti-Ne or Si-Ne.


7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else?
I don't know. I like to entertain the notion that I am different from everyone else, or "special" Ok, N>S, right here. INTP result so far., but I try to believe that we are all very similar at our most basic levels. I do not know how to answer this question besides what I have already typed. You easily see the big picture, N>S.
b) If you could change one thing about your personality, what would it be? Why?
I would like to be more confident. I have had trouble in the past with procrastination and talking to others, both of which I think has to do with my lack of confidence. P > J.


8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?
My hunches are usually about other people's personality and future behavior when I meet them for the first time. Although I try not to take them into account, I usually subconsciously judge them based on what I think. However, I find that I am often right. It's actually very fun, analyzing others. Maybe I like it because I'm nosy. Oh tough one, that could be a sign on Ni, as Ni doms like doing this.


9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?
I am a very competitive person, so I like performing well in class or in any academic event. Scoring well on tests boosts my confidence and makes me feel happier. I also like having meaningful conversations with my friends. N>S I enjoy getting to know other people if we have the same interests. (I was about to say "they are interesting to me", but I thought that sounded a little arrogant.) I get exhausted at large social events like parties or conventions, even if I am with friends. I don't know why I get so tired. I think the muscles in my cheeks start to hurt if I give too many fake smiles or something. Tempted to say inferior Fe here.


10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?
I try not to repress too much when I am with friends because I am comfortable around them. When I am with people from school or teachers, I am terribly awkward. You could say I repress everything. I am very quiet and do not talk much. My friends say that I look like I want to leave the room when I talk to people I am not close with. I have been wondering for a while if I have some kind of social anxiety for this reason.
At this point in time I am typing you as an INTP although I do see certain hallmarks of INTJ in there as well. Would you be so kind as to take this following test, and posting the results?


@Turi, you really do like typing people as Si dom users don't you..
 

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@Agent X - lol ISTJ might have been a little impulsive, ISTJ or INFP are both likely, imo.

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.
I clicked the link and got a duck. The picture was "Multicolor" by Richard et Diane. It was beautiful. I liked the coloring of the duck. It was green and red and white on its head and neck, but only black, tan, and white on its body. It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together. I really didn't like the color of its eye. I think it was staring at me like it wanted to kidnap me at night. Overall, fantastic picture. I recommend looking it up!
Here we can determine a preference for Si and Fi.

The first and most glaringly obvious indicator of Si is the immense attention to detail - the OP details the colours, where the colours are exactly, as well as noting the name of the photo/painting (I didn't see it) and the photographer/painter.

The second indicator is the way the author writes - entirely in past tense. Author clicked the link. The picture was Multicolour. It was beautiful. Author liked the colouring of the duck.. didn't really like the colour of the ducks eyes.


Third indicator is typical Si-Ne interplay in the form of a metaphor - "It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together." - this stems from Ne exploring possibilities and ways to express the Si observations - notice it is easy to picture, it is external, it is not a subjective abstract interpretation (Ni) and it is not tinged with the more powerful and impactful language one might expect from an Se user (.. it was like someone smashed two ducks together.. ..it was like someone forced two ducks together.. etc) ..no, the language here is Si-Ne (or Ne-Si.. whatever) interplay - also note use of the word "was" in the metaphor as well.

We can also spot Fi within this same response - it is sprinkled with the authors own subjective perception of whether it is good or bad - didn't like the colour of the eye. Fantastic picture. Thought the duck was beautiful. This is Fi.
The entire questionnaire is rammed with how the author feels about things, enough for me to consider it as a dominant function, for sure.

Notice this too - "I think it was staring at me like it wanted to kidnap me at night." - this is again an Fi projection (coupled with an Si-Ne metaphor) - however use of the word "think" displays a lack of confidence - to me, I feel I can determine the author is more comfortable describing how a situation was, more comfortable diving into the details and nitty-gritty of an event, than they are at expressing how they feel about a possibility/hypothetical.. which suggests a preference for Si and inferior Ne to me.

However, my understanding of Ne is nowhere near comprehensive, and it could indeed be that that same phrase I quoted stems from a Ne indecisiveness - placing Ne above Si in this instance.

The OPs response to question 4 reeks of Fi-Te to me, or Te-Fi, can't tell which way around - response to question 8 is Fi flavoured, question 9 could easily be read as Te-Fi due to the focus on competitiveness and scoring well according to external measuring devices - although the reasoning for this happiness appears to be Fi again - author is aware she feels good when she succeeds, and is aware of the effects success has on her - boosts her confidence, makes her happier etc.

So I mean, could go either way.

I would suggest either ISTJ or INFP as possibilities - whichever way around it is, not positive, there's a case for both - if the OP truly feels she is predominantly a judging type of some sort, as per the title, I would suggest INFP as the most likely candidate.
 
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Thanks for your detailed responses, @Agent X and @Turi !
I do have a few questions for both of you. I don't know how to quote specific lines of text with the forum format yet, so I'll use quotation marks instead.



In question 7, when I said "I don't know. I like to entertain the notion that I am different from everyone else, or 'special'", Agent X claimed that that classified me as an intuitor. Why would this be an intuitive function?

Also, when I said that "I have had trouble in the past with procrastination and talking to others, both of which I think has to do with my lack of confidence." You said that seemed to be a perceiving trait. Why? I thought both judgers and perceivers had a tendency to procrastinate.

Finally, what does "having meaningful conversations with friends" have to do with intuition?

About your thinking of INTX: I mentioned in a different post (the fifth in the thread) that if I were an intuitor, I would have a preference for Ne and not Ni. I considered INTP due to this.
I took the test you linked as well.



I wasn't sure about some of the questions and found them hard to answer. I generally don't like personality tests because answers could change depending on a situation. Having only one bubble to choose from limits answers. Kind of like multiple choice tests. But those are good because I can guess in case I didn't study.
Frankly speaking, I have doubts about being INTJ. I did consider them, too, but their most dominant function is Ni. I don't understand the concept of Ni in the first place. "Tapping into the unconscious..." and "mystical experiences"? If this function is "unconscious", then people with dominant Ni would be unaware of it unless they intensely analyzed themselves.



Turi's "second indicator" of my preference for sensing- the way I type/write in question 4- seems to be only relevant to that question. Are you basing your theory on one part of my response or are there other reasons as to why you think I might be a sensor?

If "It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together." is Ne-Si to you, then how can it be Fi at the same time? How can my sentence be "sprinkled with my own subjective perception of whether it is good or bad" (Fi) but still "not a subjective abstract interpretation (Ni)"? I thought that the feeling function had to do with morals and ethical views and not necessarily perception of a random object.

"-if the OP truly feels she is predominantly a judging type of some sort, as per the title, I would suggest INFP as the most likely candidate." Did you mean ISTJ?
To respond to what you have said, I have considered ISTJ in the past. I mentioned in my fifth post that I have trouble distinguishing between S and N. It's possible, I think, and maybe more likely than INTJ.


Thank you both again for your detailed answers! It appears that you aren't completely sure of my personality type based on your resposes, so would it help if I took another questionnaire?
 

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Thanks for your detailed responses, @Agent X and @Turi !
I do have a few questions for both of you. I don't know how to quote specific lines of text with the forum format yet, so I'll use quotation marks instead.



In question 7, when I said "I don't know. I like to entertain the notion that I am different from everyone else, or 'special'", Agent X claimed that that classified me as an intuitor. Why would this be an intuitive function?
Not necessarily, but knowing myself, I can't stand being seen as common, and my intuitive friends do seem to share that concern. It's more of a strong 4 enneagram, Imo.

Also, when I said that "I have had trouble in the past with procrastination and talking to others, both of which I think has to do with my lack of confidence." You said that seemed to be a perceiving trait. Why? I thought both judgers and perceivers had a tendency to procrastinate. Both of them do, but a lack of confidence to me implies Ne (INTP) > Ni (INTJ) for some weird reasons. They tend to be very indecisive, and hence that. But that is more of a personal perception.

Finally, what does "having meaningful conversations with friends" have to do with intuition?
The word meaningful. I automatically assumed meaningful implied big picture. Sensors want the details. Bit of a stretch there admittedly. So hence N>S. Also how you went on to describe people at a deep level, tells me you favour the big picture.

About your thinking of INTX: I mentioned in a different post (the fifth in the thread) that if I were an intuitor, I would have a preference for Ne and not Ni. I considered INTP due to this.
I took the test you linked as well.



I wasn't sure about some of the questions and found them hard to answer. I generally don't like personality tests because answers could change depending on a situation. Having only one bubble to choose from limits answers. Kind of like multiple choice tests. But those are good because I can guess in case I didn't study.
Frankly speaking, I have doubts about being INTJ. I did consider them, too, but their most dominant function is Ni. I don't understand the concept of Ni in the first place. "Tapping into the unconscious..." and "mystical experiences"? If this function is "unconscious", then people with dominant Ni would be unaware of it unless they intensely analyzed themselves.

I think I may be able to help you with that, being an INTJ myself. See below.



Turi's "second indicator" of my preference for sensing- the way I type/write in question 4- seems to be only relevant to that question. Are you basing your theory on one part of my response or are there other reasons as to why you think I might be a sensor? With respect to Turi, I think he is wrong in this case. There is enough evidence in your post for a N>S preference. But as I pointed out he does like typing people as sensors.. (sorry mate).

If "It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together." is Ne-Si to you, then how can it be Fi at the same time? How can my sentence be "sprinkled with my own subjective perception of whether it is good or bad" (Fi) but still "not a subjective abstract interpretation (Ni)"? I thought that the feeling function had to do with morals and ethical views and not necessarily perception of a random object. Notice how scatterbrained that response was? Cut two ducks in half and glue them together? Most Ne users are quirky like that. And according to the cognitive function theory, Ne pairs with Si, that is why he said that. As for Fi, I am not sure how he got that as well.

"-if the OP truly feels she is predominantly a judging type of some sort, as per the title, I would suggest INFP as the most likely candidate." Did you mean ISTJ? ISTJ and INFP have the same cognitive stack, although reversed.
To respond to what you have said, I have considered ISTJ in the past. I mentioned in my fifth post that I have trouble distinguishing between S and N. It's possible, I think, and maybe more likely than INTJ.


Thank you both again for your detailed answers! It appears that you aren't completely sure of my personality type based on your resposes, so would it help if I took another questionnaire?
See the red text. Here are a trio of questions for you, followed by 2 more tests. Would you be as to be so kind as posting those results again?

Quick and easy test. Disclaimer: This one is rather unreliable, but I do use it to "break the ice" so to speak.


INTP or INTJ test.


Additional questions, how well do you relate with these on a scale of 1-10?
 


Experience a premonition or foresee the distant future.

Achieve a metamorphosis, definitive insight, or powerful vision of change.

Gain a profound realization from a mystical state or sudden release of emotions.

Transform yourself by focusing inward on a specific way you foresee you will need to be.

Push your mind to envision a solution to a problem that hasn't come up yet.

Synthesize a new idea that transcends various opposing points of view.
 

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@LlamadeusMozart I am not sure which one I prefer. I have trouble determining if I am a sensor or an intuitor in the first place. It's easier for me to learn in school when concepts are introduced with an overview(N), but I also think that details are as important to know(S). Why do you think that I might be an INTX and not ISTX?
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4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?
And the people driving with me were friends. Ah. I would be very tired after the concert and the party, so I would either ignore her or get very angry and lash out. What I would say depends on what the claim is and how she delivered it. Was her tone spiteful? If so, I would probably get angrier. I would demand to hear an explanation of her belief and immediately try to find fault with it.( I have a bit of a short temper.)
Did she state the claim without backing it up? Once again, I would demand an explanation and get very frustrated if she didn't provide one or it didn't make any sense. Although I wouldn't like for this to happen often, if she offered something that made sense, regardless of tone or intent, I would consider what she had said. I probably wouldn't apologize but would discuss it again in the future once I had calmed down.

This is a VERY Ti/Fi mindset. INTJ's love to mix accuracy with strong principles, even at the expense of group harmony.

And don't worry if nothing fits perfectly now. Preferences fall somewhere on a scale, and you're still young.
 

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4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?
And the people driving with me were friends. Ah. I would be very tired after the concert and the party, so I would either ignore her or get very angry and lash out. What I would say depends on what the claim is and how she delivered it. Was her tone spiteful? If so, I would probably get angrier. I would demand to hear an explanation of her belief and immediately try to find fault with it.( I have a bit of a short temper.)
Did she state the claim without backing it up? Once again, I would demand an explanation and get very frustrated if she didn't provide one or it didn't make any sense. Although I wouldn't like for this to happen often, if she offered something that made sense, regardless of tone or intent, I would consider what she had said. I probably wouldn't apologize but would discuss it again in the future once I had calmed down.

This is a VERY Ti/Fi mindset. INTJ's love to mix accuracy with strong principles, even at the expense of group harmony.

And don't worry if nothing fits perfectly now. Preferences fall somewhere on a scale, and you're still young.
You mean Ti/Fe right? And I do believe INTJ's also want accuracy, but not as much as INTP's as they lead with Ti (accuracy) and us with Ni (perspectives).
 

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Thanks for your detailed responses, @Agent X and @Turi !
I do have a few questions for both of you. I don't know how to quote specific lines of text with the forum format yet, so I'll use quotation marks instead.



In question 7, when I said "I don't know. I like to entertain the notion that I am different from everyone else, or 'special'", Agent X claimed that that classified me as an intuitor. Why would this be an intuitive function?
It doesn't. It's a sign of introversion. What brand of introversion however, this provides no insight towards.

Also, when I said that "I have had trouble in the past with procrastination and talking to others, both of which I think has to do with my lack of confidence." You said that seemed to be a perceiving trait. Why? I thought both judgers and perceivers had a tendency to procrastinate.
They do, you'll find the biggest procrastinators will be your dominant perceiving types - Si and Ni dominants for introverts, Ne and Se dominants for the extraverts.


Finally, what does "having meaningful conversations with friends" have to do with intuition?
Absolutely nothing.

About your thinking of INTX: I mentioned in a different post (the fifth in the thread) that if I were an intuitor, I would have a preference for Ne and not Ni. I considered INTP due to this.
I took the test you linked as well.



I wasn't sure about some of the questions and found them hard to answer. I generally don't like personality tests because answers could change depending on a situation. Having only one bubble to choose from limits answers. Kind of like multiple choice tests. But those are good because I can guess in case I didn't study.
Frankly speaking, I have doubts about being INTJ. I did consider them, too, but their most dominant function is Ni. I don't understand the concept of Ni in the first place. "Tapping into the unconscious..." and "mystical experiences"? If this function is "unconscious", then people with dominant Ni would be unaware of it unless they intensely analyzed themselves.
Regardless of whether you're an N type or an S type, your OP displays a clear preference for Ne-Si over Ni-Se - whether Ne is more dominant than Si is up for grabs, but yes, preference for Ne over Ni in the very least, is evident.

With regards to any questions you didn't understand - you're supposed to click "not me" or whatever the least relevant one is - since you got super high Ni in those results, without understanding the Ni questions, it's clear to me you've selected highly on questions you haven't understood.
Take it again, with "not me" as the result for any and all you don't understand.. it skews the results otherwise.

Re: Ni and tapping into the unconscious - this is currently the topic of hot debate over in the Cognitive Functions section.
I questioned the whole idea, the mystique surrounding it needs to be stripped - you're bang on target re: questioning an unconscious function as a persons dominant function, however there are aspects of it that are clearly present in Ni doms, not so much in others, myself included, so it's difficult to discount as a possibility.. definitely needs to be dug into.

Intensely analysing yourself is precisely what Ni does. Ni is ridiculously self-absorbed. Ni is pre-occupied with itself - not so much the user themselves, it's not a function of massive ego - but Ni users immerse themselves in their own inner world of perceptions, symbolism and meanings.
They get so far into this world, they are pretty much not "present" in the real world - it comes at the expense of Se, which is about using your 5 senses - Ni users deep-dive within themselves searching for answers and following their own mind, that they neglect the outside world.

All introverts can get lost in thought, obviously, that's where they get their energy from - but the particular brand of introversion that is Ni is different (not better or worse) than other introverted types - it entails what I put forth above - other brands of introversion will be focused on other things.

You should really dive into how all the introverted functions work.


Turi's "second indicator" of my preference for sensing- the way I type/write in question 4- seems to be only relevant to that question. Are you basing your theory on one part of my response or are there other reasons as to why you think I might be a sensor?
That was about question 1. And no, I read the whole thing before posting. I noted your response to a few different questions.

If "It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together." is Ne-Si to you, then how can it be Fi at the same time? How can my sentence be "sprinkled with my own subjective perception of whether it is good or bad" (Fi) but still "not a subjective abstract interpretation (Ni)"? I thought that the feeling function had to do with morals and ethical views and not necessarily perception of a random object.
The cognitive function stack of an ISTJ is (apparently) Si-Te-Fi-Ne. For the INFP - Fi-Ne-Si-Te.
So ISTJs use Fi on a regular basis, and INFPs use Si on a regular basis... they're both just.. not great with it. Not bad but it's a lackluster form of the function.

The feeling function I was suggesting you use in some fashion - Fi - is.. to simplify it (drastically).. concerned with what you think is good and/or bad.
That's it.
Fi users live and die by this, and this concept of good or bad is applied to practically everything they come across - they think this person is good, this person is bad, this ducks eyes are good, this ducks eyes are bad.. one Fi user might think killing animals for the meat industry is good and another might think it's bad.. etc etc.

Every single person on Earth has their own set of morals, their own ethical code of conduct so to speak - yes, Fi is concerned with this, because this is essentially what they think is good or bad.

This absolutely applies to their own perceptions of objects - i.e you look at one basketball, don't want it, don't like it (bad), you see another one, you do like it, you buy it (good). Etc etc I'm sure you can understand how this concept can be applied to literally every situation in an Fi dominants life.

This is where people trip up when they suggest IxFPs are always friendly, happy etc, because they're a feeling type.. this isn't the case.. some INFPs are raised to believe that beating up their wife keeps them in line (good), for instance.. another Fi dominant might believe that eating bananas on a Tuesday is bad.. who knows.. but the point is, they prefer to live and die by this system they have inside themselves, that determines what is good and bad.


"-if the OP truly feels she is predominantly a judging type of some sort, as per the title, I would suggest INFP as the most likely candidate." Did you mean ISTJ?
To respond to what you have said, I have considered ISTJ in the past. I mentioned in my fifth post that I have trouble distinguishing between S and N. It's possible, I think, and maybe more likely than INTJ.
No, ISTJs lead with a perceiving function - introverted sensing (Si). Not a judging function. They're only a J type because they're first extraverted function is a judging type (Te).
Since they're introverts however, they lead with an introverted function, for them, this is Si.

INFPs lead with a judging function - Fi, they're only a P type because their first extraverted function is a perceiving type.. yeah it's all backwards.. but for introverts, the P and the J should be the other way around. And they are, in socionics.
 
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Sorry. I didn't make myself clear enough here:
"If "It was like someone had cut two ducks in half and glued them together." is Ne-Si to you, then how can it be Fi at the same time? How can my sentence be "sprinkled with my own subjective perception of whether it is good or bad" (Fi) but still "not a subjective abstract interpretation (Ni)"? I thought that the feeling function had to do with morals and ethical views and not necessarily perception of a random object."

When I mentioned that in my original response, I was also talking about your comment here:"We can also spot Fi within this same response - it is sprinkled with the authors own subjective perception of whether it is good or bad - didn't like the colour of the eye. Fantastic picture. Thought the duck was beautiful. This is Fi."


To explain what I was saying a little better, morals, which you say that Fi doms tend to value, have nothing to do with subjectively liking a duck or a basketball. In this case, "liking" or "disliking" is about personal aesthetic preference. When I said that I "didn't like the duck's eyes", I meant that I disliked the color, not sensed "evil" or "amorality" within the duck. The "kidnap me at night" comment was kind of a joke. As was the tums comment, by the way.

It seems that we think of morality differently.



Anyway, I retook that test and took the others.







My not understanding the concept of Ni doesn't mean I will choose "not me" for every question I feel relates to that. My confusion extends to what I typed about unconsciously using the function. I generally have an "it depends" answer for questions like those.
@Agent X , you seem to depend on personality tests quite a bit.This could be unreliable.

Experience a premonition or foresee the distant future. (Taken literally, this is impossible. -25/10. I'm guessing that this is actually saying something about predicting an outcome of a situation. If so, then maybe 5/10.)

Achieve a metamorphosis, definitive insight, or powerful vision of change. (I don't like how these are worded. The word "powerful" puts me off. 1/10.)

Gain a profound realization from a mystical state or sudden release of emotions. (I'm going to ignore that ridiculous "mystical state" and focus on the emotional part. This has happened to me before, usually after drinking coffee or when worrying. 3/10.)

Transform yourself by focusing inward on a specific way you foresee you will need to be. (Seriously, transform? Foresee? If this means adapting to a potential situation, then yes. 6/10.)

Push your mind to envision a solution to a problem that hasn't come up yet. (Actually, I do this. Usually when I am stressed. 7/10-ish.)

Synthesize a new idea that transcends various opposing points of view. (I don't know. 1/10?)


ISTJ is starting to sound like a fit.
 

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It would appear I was wrong in typing you. Apologies to you and @Turi, but you are an ISTJ. It appears I need to do more proverbial homework. Please disregard my posts as they are inaccurate.
 

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@Agent X , @Turi , @LlamadeusMozart - I found this excellent site that explains the cognitive functions in great detail. Please read through it when you have time.

I can't post links because I don't have fifteen posts yet, but if you type The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory @MBTI-notes" into your search bar, it will be the first result. This website is honestly making me reconsider my type.

Agent X, your incorrect analysis might have to do with your extremely heavy reliance on personality tests.
 

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Yea, that is a brilliant site.

It makes sense an IxTJ would rely on tests, Te users love that shit - what's your own opinion on tests?

Test results provide Te users with the external measuring devices they love to utilise to make sense of things, see how everything stacks up.
External logic.
 

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@Turi

I think that tests can only be relied upon to a certain point. They were helpful to me when I was beginning to learn about MTBI because I was able to get a general idea of how people could be classified, but I don't need them anymore. I think it's rather rigid to base an entire viewpoint on a test made by someone else. Test questions are very easily misinterpreted and the taker can subconsciously choose a certain answer choice to skew their result.

You say "external measuring devices" are Te. I think I do use those, but I don't always have confidence in their validity.


(Hmm.. side note: This thread has a lot of views! It's obviously because of my brilliant title!)

I don't know if this tidbit of information is useful, but it's something that I recently noticed about myself. I am very quiet in the company of people I'm not used to. I wasn't aware that I was so quiet until one of my close friends told me that her first impression of me was "so quiet, it was kind of eerie". I knew that I could come off as introverted, but "being describled as eerily quiet" was very surprising. But this is only around people I don't know. I mentioned in my OP that I like to analyze others. After some careful consideration, I have decided that the reason for this is not only because it is fun, but also because I feel the need to "figure out" others before I "open up" to them. When I think that someone is "safe", for lack of a better word, I begin to talk to them more and don't feel so awkward. This probably has to do with an underlying confidence issue, and I wasn't sure how confidence linked to personality type, so this might not be useful at all. Potential Fi?
 
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