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With yet another controversial advertisement being discussed in the media. I am interested in the thoughts of my peers on these ads.

Would you ride a bus with some sort of hate message on it?

Should a judge allow hate speech to be advertised?

The link below is a short article.

NY buses must show 'killing Jews' ad
 

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On the one hand, people who just take everything they read for the truth are beyond help. On the other hand, this is just trying to instill hate into people that is completely misguided. This could cause a Muslim-hate movement which will endager the safety of the muslims currently living in New York (and other cities where this might catch on).

People should believe whatever they want to believe, but don't force that way of thinking down other people's throats.
 

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On the one hand, people who just take everything they read for the truth are beyond help. On the other hand, this is just trying to instill hate into people that is completely misguided. This could cause a Muslim-hate movement which will endager the safety of the muslims currently living in New York (and other cities where this might catch on).

People should believe whatever they want to believe, but don't force that way of thinking down other people's throats.
That. Tis' a bad thing really. Those more level headed muslims get flak because they are muslims and it becomes very hard for them not to be consumed by their hatred. They join the more perverse people who kill in the name of their religion leading to more people getting killed. Its a vicious cycle. I see no end to this unless you want to count the one with everyone dead.

I'd say fuck being killed as part of collateral damage when they clash. I actually sort of like the harmony they have over here, even though it is enforced by law. No one to really disturb me.
 

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It's just an advertisement. Who cares? It's clearly just using shock value to get people to view it and remember it. That tactic has been used for decades. Sure it could have negative reasons behind it, but everything could and probably does.

I think it should be allowed because otherwise it's censorship that will never stop expanding. So you can't be "mean or controversial" towards Jews or Muslims. So no rudeness towards any religious faction as well? That turns into political factions, political idealism, idealism and factions in general, differing opinions that may affect others of different backgrounds, personal differences etc., Then we just get to a point where nothing is allowed because someone somewhere felt shitty after seeing it.

Fuck that.
 

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It's an ad against jihad. I don't see anything wrong with an ad against crazy people that want to kill others. If you're not crazy, it shouldn't offend you.

Complaining about those ads is like me throwing a hissy fit every time I see an anti-drug or Don't Talk to Strangers ad with a white guy. They don't bother me, because I'm not a dealer or a kidnapper.

Censoring everyone's speech is as far away from the founding idea of this country as you can get. You can't have "We the People" if certain groups aren't allowed to voice their opinions, no matter how misguided those opinions might be.

Which reminds me of a story Mike Warnke used to tell (although he's probably not the best role model):

There once was an elderly gentleman who lived in the mountains with his granddaughter. They didn't have much but managed to make ends meet. However one summer they found themselves in dire need of some cash. Their only recourse was to sell their one and only mule named "Hiney."

The elderly gentleman prepared Hiney for the journey down the mountain and when they were ready to go placed his granddaughter on Hiney's back and so they began their journey.

As they passed the first house there were people out on the front porch and the elderly gentleman heard them comment as they passed by, "Look at that! A young, healthy girl riding that mule and that poor old man having to walk!" After they passed the house the elderly gentleman stopped, took his granddaughter off Hiney and climbed up on his back himself. They continued their journey.

As they passed the next house the elderly gentleman overhead someone say, "Look at that! See that old man making that little girl walk? He ought to be ashamed!" So after they had passed by the elderly gentleman stopped and pulled his granddaughter up on Hiney behind him.

The next place they came to the elderly gentleman heard someone say, "That poor old mule! Look at the way they're punishing him by riding double!" So, after they had passed by the elderly gentleman stopped and both he and his granddaughter got off Hiney and continued their journey.

Finally they passed by another house and the elderly gentleman overheard someone say, "That poor, poor mule! Making him walk all the way like that way!" So after they had passed by the elderly gentleman stopped and he and his granddaughter managed to hoist Hiney up onto their shoulders and they precariously continued their journey.

As they walked down the mountain trying to balance Hiney over their heads they came to a bridge. Crossing the bridge the elderly gentleman stumbled on a loose rock and tried to keep from falling but in the process accidentally dropped Hiney over the side of the bridge. Poor, poor Hiney!

Of course, the moral of this story is that if you try to please everyone, sooner or later you'll lose your Hiney!
 

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On the one hand, people who just take everything they read for the truth are beyond help. On the other hand, this is just trying to instill hate into people that is completely misguided. This could cause a Muslim-hate movement which will endager the safety of the muslims currently living in New York (and other cities where this might catch on).

People should believe whatever they want to believe, but don't force that way of thinking down other people's throats.
Actually, there is a list of cities (San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) that have had their share of messages like this being displayed. Some quoting the bible or quran, others mocking religious beliefs.
 

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It's just an advertisement. Who cares? It's clearly just using shock value to get people to view it and remember it. That tactic has been used for decades. Sure it could have negative reasons behind it, but everything could and probably does.

I think it should be allowed because otherwise it's censorship that will never stop expanding. So you can't be "mean or controversial" towards Jews or Muslims. So no rudeness towards any religious faction as well? That turns into political factions, political idealism, idealism and factions in general, differing opinions that may affect others of different backgrounds, personal differences etc., Then we just get to a point where nothing is allowed because someone somewhere felt shitty after seeing it.

Fuck that.
I agree completely with you.

If you lived in New York, and used public transportation. Would you be worried about an extremist blowing up a bus with this advertisement on the side.
 

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I agree completely with you.

If you lived in New York, and used public transportation. Would you be worried about an extremist blowing up a bus with this advertisement on the side.
Extremists are unpredictable and unreasonable. I would rather not change policies and promote censorship just because we or I am afraid of the unknown. It just lets them win and honestly creates more terrorists because they like the challenge and enjoy rebellion.

If a bus is blown up thats a shame and a tragedy but I still think its not enough to justify censorship. The chance of it happening is rather slim and the government seems to be pretty decent at being on top of things like this, or at least they say they are.
 

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I have no problem with the ad. I don't even see how it is offensive. The whole hate speech and racism thing has been overdone; I just tune it out at this point.
 

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I think that the independent business should have the right not to endorse whatever they want. I dont think the bus company should have been forced to display it by the judge I support freedom of speech just as I support free enterprise when it is legal.

But I think any company that wants to endorse it should be able to.

Part of free speech/free enterprise is the choice in what one chooses to endorse thru their company, so I do think that the company should not be forced to endorse anything if their committee does not want t,o the gov should not be enforcing what people have to endorse. But any company should have the right to endorse it if they so chose.

I agree with most on the not promoting censorship. That is precisely why a company should not be forced to endorse things they dont want to just as those who do want to portray controversial things should be allowed thru those that want to endorse it.
 

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People are too open anymore. I mean do 5 year old children really need to read that in public? In a more adult venue sure.
 
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