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I have recently launched a YouTube Channel with the aim of sharing multimedia presentations of poetry from diverse perspectives. One of my previous posts involved translating a 16th-century poem by a Hindu mystic named Mirabai from Hindi to English, which I created a video on. Additionally, I created videos covering basic Indian mythology to provide better context for American viewers to understand Indian poetry. Interestingly, these mythology videos are receiving significant views in India. However, I'm facing challenges in gaining views on my poetry videos. While I could delve deeper into sound engineering for my videos, I'm unsure of the underlying issue. I currently use AI voices, which sound satisfactory to me, but it's possible that some viewers may not find them engaging enough.

Regardless, I'd like to present a poem titled "The Flower" by George Herbert, an Anglican priest from the 17th century, as an example. Another example is Robert Frost's renowned poem "The Road not Taken." I would appreciate any suggestions on how to improve my channel or insights into why these types of videos may not be receiving as many views.



Thank you for your response. I'm grateful for any feedback you can provide. Additionally, I'm curious to hear from other members of the forum who might have experience posting on their own YouTube channels or similar platforms. Any insights or tips from their experiences would be greatly appreciated.
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I have recently launched a YouTube Channel with the aim of sharing multimedia presentations of poetry from diverse perspectives. One of my previous posts involved translating a 16th-century poem by a Hindu mystic named Mirabai from Hindi to English, which I created a video on. Additionally, I created videos covering basic Indian mythology to provide better context for American viewers to understand Indian poetry. Interestingly, these mythology videos are receiving significant views in India. However, I'm facing challenges in gaining views on my poetry videos. While I could delve deeper into sound engineering for my videos, I'm unsure of the underlying issue. I currently use AI voices, which sound satisfactory to me, but it's possible that some viewers may not find them engaging enough.

Regardless, I'd like to present a poem titled "The Flower" by George Herbert, an Anglican priest from the 17th century, as an example. Another example is Robert Frost's renowned poem "The Road not Taken." I would appreciate any suggestions on how to improve my channel or insights into why these types of videos may not be receiving as many views.



Thank you for your response. I'm grateful for any feedback you can provide. Additionally, I'm curious to hear from other members of the forum who might have experience posting on their own YouTube channels or similar platforms. Any insights or tips from their experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Only watched the second. I think these are great! Thank you for giving poetry a "face". Or stepping stone for interpretation. Well done! Makes people think.
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Sight, just watched the first one. Great video.
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Read the OP finally. Right, that's exactly the point of art. Only pointers I could give were like, nothing, because this is art. I personally appreciate this.
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@Ms. Aligned, thank you very much for listening and for your comments.

During my teenage years, when MTV emerged as a music-focused channel, I would spend hours watching music videos. It truly brought the songs to life by complementing them with captivating visuals or narratives. Inspired by this, my idea was to bring old poems to life in a similar manner. To my knowledge, I haven't come across anyone else doing this, which might suggest that my content requires an audience with a specific interest in this type of creative approach.

However, I do have a critical side. I often question whether the AI voices, which sound acceptable to me, might not resonate the same way with others. After publishing a video, I find myself contemplating things like, "The 's' sounds are too prominent; I should have addressed that," or "I could have improved the voice clarity with some EQ adjustments." I feel that my production quality may not reach the level I desire.

In the end, I acknowledge that art is subjective. It may or may not attract a wide audience, and that's part of its nature.
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I haven't come across anyone else doing this, which might suggest that my content requires an audience with a specific interest in this type of creative approach.
Definitely, would be helpful in the education platform. English more than math though. Unless you can figure out how to do this with math? Other than writing on whiteboard.
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Definitely, would be helpful in the education platform. English more than math though. Unless you can figure out how to do this with math? Other than writing on whiteboard.
Wow, yes. Kids and young adults still study poetry in school. Setting math equations could certainly be done!
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Thought both of these vids were pretty excellent and best of luck getting them out there. If it's criticisms you want though, for me it's the AI voicing as you mentioned - rhythm, pace and pitch are just a little too mechanical for me, especially as the poetry is the focus. Maybe some post-processing improve this?
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I can see where you're going with it and like the theme - I agree the AI voice is a bit flat but not all that bad. Sometimes the music competes with the poetry in the first one and is a bit repetitive. It would be better to have silence rather than music that detracts. The imagery is neat. I was really struck with the boy climbing the tree during "may a spring I shoot up fair" and then the rose falling right after, and then a shadow reaching against glass.

In thinking of a track that might go well with your first video, something that would allow space for the words, ebbs and flows more, and carries the tone:


Something to explore more, perhaps.

(Kai Engel is often my go-to for royalty free music for Youtube videos, highly recommend, btw. You can download his tracks from the Free Music Archive)
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Thought both of these vids were pretty excellent and best of luck getting them out there. If it's criticisms you want though, for me it's the AI voicing as you mentioned - rhythm, pace and pitch are just a little too mechanical for me, especially as the poetry is the focus. Maybe some post-processing improve this?
I have concerns that my extroverted sensing blind spot (last in my functions) might prevent me from readily detecting some issues that are clear to others, so I truly appreciate and welcome the constructive criticism regarding the AI voices occasionally sounding too mechanical. Your feedback is invaluable to me, and I am genuinely open to improving this aspect. I do have the capability to manually adjust time and pitch, although it's important to be mindful of potential artifacts that may arise as a result.

In today's age, even real human recordings in popular music undergo quantization and pitch correction. Given this context, I am eager to explore the availability of randomizer VSTs that could potentially enhance the naturalness of the AI voices. Still, I may be guilty of making the voices more mechanical at times by intentionally lining them up with beat during post-production. I also enjoy allowing the voice to breathe to breathe at times and deviate from the tempo. I strive to incorporate intricate details into my work, such as synchronizing a dropped flower landing with a bass drum hit and cymbal crash on the downbeat.

As I am trying to make the experience more immersive and pleasing, it's always good to know what others are hearing.
I can see where you're going with it and like the theme - I agree the AI voice is a bit flat but not all that bad. Sometimes the music competes with the poetry in the first one and is a bit repetitive. It would be better to have silence rather than music that detracts. The imagery is neat. I was really struck with the boy climbing the tree during "may a spring I shoot up fair" and then the rose falling right after, and then a shadow reaching against glass.
I completely agree with what you noticed in the middle section. The music and the voice did compete as the music built. One effective method to address the issue of balancing music and voice is by maintaining a consistent overall music volume while selectively reducing the volume at specific frequencies where the voice is present. By doing so, the voice can stand out more prominently.

The music you shared would be a fantastic fit for the content I create. I have acquired access to a library of music tracks, and while there are a few similar to what you shared, they are relatively limited. It's essential for me to be mindful of using licensed music that I have obtained proper rights for. While I do write my own music, it can be time-consuming to compose and record original pieces.

I was encouraged by what you said about the string of images. Creating a fusion of visuals and poetry that resonates with the audience is my goal.
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I have concerns that my extroverted sensing blind spot (last in my functions) might prevent me from readily detecting some issues that are clear to others, so I truly appreciate and welcome the constructive criticism regarding the AI voices occasionally sounding too mechanical. Your feedback is invaluable to me, and I am genuinely open to improving this aspect. I do have the capability to manually adjust time and pitch, although it's important to be mindful of potential artifacts that may arise as a result.

In today's age, even real human recordings in popular music undergo quantization and pitch correction. Given this context, I am eager to explore the availability of randomizer VSTs that could potentially enhance the naturalness of the AI voices. Still, I may be guilty of making the voices more mechanical at times by intentionally lining them up with beat during post-production. I also enjoy allowing the voice to breathe to breathe at times and deviate from the tempo. I strive to incorporate intricate details into my work, such as synchronizing a dropped flower landing with a bass drum hit and cymbal crash on the downbeat.

As I am trying to make the experience more immersive and pleasing, it's always good to know what others are hearing.

I completely agree with what you noticed in the middle section. The music and the voice did compete as the music built. One effective method to address the issue of balancing music and voice is by maintaining a consistent overall music volume while selectively reducing the volume at specific frequencies where the voice is present. By doing so, the voice can stand out more prominently.

The music you shared would be a fantastic fit for the content I create. I have acquired access to a library of music tracks, and while there are a few similar to what you shared, they are relatively limited. It's essential for me to be mindful of using licensed music that I have obtained proper rights for. While I do write my own music, it can be time-consuming to compose and record original pieces.

I was encouraged by what you said about the string of images. Creating a fusion of visuals and poetry that resonates with the audience is my goal.
Sounds like you're having fun, lol. Tbh I expected an AI voice to sound much worse while reading poetry, and so the corrections you're making do have a big impact. I can imagine how engrossing it is to refine an artificial voice to read poetry well.

I've never had any issues with Kai Engel. He makes many of the tracks free even for commercial use. However, Free Music Archive is a mixed bag in terms of copyright issues.

FREE MUSIC | Composer Kai Engel (kai-engel.com)
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Sounds like you're having fun, lol. Tbh I expected an AI voice to sound much worse while reading poetry, and so the corrections you're making do have a big impact. I can imagine how engrossing it is to refine an artificial voice to read poetry well.

I've never had any issues with Kai Engel. He makes many of the tracks free even for commercial use. However, Free Music Archive is a mixed bag in terms of copyright issues.

FREE MUSIC | Composer Kai Engel (kai-engel.com)
Thank you for bringing the track by Kai Engle to my attention. I'll definitely be using it in the near future.

I do enjoy creating and posting things to YouTube. Lately, it has meant coming home from one job and working on this until past midnight. I must admit that at times, it feels like a fight for survival. Life can be challenging and demanding.

I've noticed a prevailing prejudice against AI voices, and I feel obligated to disclose their usage. Despite the association of AI voices with emotionless and disposable content, I am marketing it as a positive aspect. One of the advantages of AI voices is the ability to access a wide range of accents from around the world. Due to various factors, such as a noisy home environment and limited resources for professional recording equipment, AI voices have become the only feasible option for me to pursue my creative endeavors. Additionally, I appreciate the element of randomness that AI brings. Occasionally, the AI voice will surprise me by delivering a truly remarkable and beautifully phrased gem
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Man, that's a cool idea, poetry that has a cinematic experience is crazy, and that lasts a few minutes....

Just what I'm thinking, the best thing would be a real voice that can be adjusted to the music, poetry and images... I think you can use AI but you have to edit it for more drama xD, can you use midis with AI?.

Pretty cool.
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@superloco3000 Thank you for your valuable feedback and suggestions! I really appreciate your insights. Incorporating MIDI files into the creative process is indeed a possibility. MIDI files can be utilized with various AI-based tools or software to generate and manipulate music, adding a unique element to the composition. However, given the specifications of my current setup, running on a core2quad, I occasionally face challenges with performance while using soft synths. Additionally, the AI voice software I use charges per character, which can become costly when running multiple takes to achieve the desired performance. Consequently, I'm becoming more open to the idea of partnering with poetry readers, as it offers a compelling alternative. Collaborating with live readers allows for greater human expression and collaboration, infusing the cinematic experience with a distinct touch. I'm excited about exploring this avenue further and finding ways to connect with talented poetry readers. Once again, thank you for your suggestions and support!
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Sounds like you're having fun, lol.
One of the most pleasurable aspects of this creative process is selecting the perfect video clip to accompany each line. It allows for a deeper exploration of the poet's intentions and meanings. Take, for example, George Herbert's "The Flower" and the line "Nor does my flower/Want a spring shower." In this line, I interpret the "flower" as a representation of the poet or the poet's soul. The rain, in turn, can symbolize both trials and the sustaining grace of God, leaving room for multiple interpretations.

When I came across a video clip of a clipped rose being dropped in the rain, I was thrilled. The clipped rose signifies a severed connection to God, and the act of dropping it intensifies this disconnection. The rain adds the element of trial and challenge to the symbolism. It's fascinating to see how visuals can enhance and deepen the meaning of the poem.

Another intriguing line from Herbert's poem is "Who would be more,/Swelling through store,/Forfeit their Paradise by their pride." Here, the analogy of a shopkeeper switching a sign from "open" to "closed" adds a playful touch to the idea of pride leading to the loss of Paradise. It brings a fresh perspective and adds another layer of meaning to the poem.

Oh yeah, "Who would have thought my shriveled heart/Could have recovered greenness? It was gone" reminded me of the scene in the movie Wall-E where the title character finds the plant. If you've seen the movie, the Earth has grown anything for centuries. So I find the scene online and use it. You're pretty safe to use like 3 seconds of a movie as long as you don't use the movie's soundtrack. So, in the movie Earth, like the poet, wasn't supposed to recover greenness. It was a fun analogy.

Throughout this creative journey, I find it incredibly fulfilling to engage my top cognitive functions: Ne (intuition), Ti (thinking), and Fe (feeling). As an ENTP, being able to utilize Ne in a productive and meaningful way is a rare delight. Moreover, the interaction with ChatGPT adds an additional dimension to the process, as it generates ideas and prompts me to think further. it truly is a rewarding and enjoyable experience.

Many of us can relate to the experience of spending a significant portion of our days engaged in tasks that don't align with our natural strengths. It's a refreshing change to be able to focus on activities that tap into our higher cognitive functions, rather than constantly relying on the ones lower in our cognitive function stack.
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One of the most pleasurable aspects of this creative process is selecting the perfect video clip to accompany each line. It allows for a deeper exploration of the poet's intentions and meanings. Take, for example, George Herbert's "The Flower" and the line "Nor does my flower/Want a spring shower." In this line, I interpret the "flower" as a representation of the poet or the poet's soul. The rain, in turn, can symbolize both trials and the sustaining grace of God, leaving room for multiple interpretations.
This was my favorite part! Previous videos I've seen like this tend to interpret lines super literally, and so my brain automatically starts tuning out the visuals, since they don't come with deeper meaning. It was clear you put a lot of thought into the clips you chose, along with the timing of them - which made me pay attention not only to the video, but to the poetry more as well.

I do think a real human voiceover could take it up another notch. No matter how good AI software is, to me it always has a robotic quality, which puts it at-odds with something as romantic as poetry. Plus, my brain sort of automatically classifies AI voiceover videos in the more "spammy" corner of YouTube even if that's not fair/accurate.

Your visuals are so compelling, though, that they're still doing the heavy lifting! I do Instructional Design work for a living and know how difficult good editing and videography can be - this is really high-quality content from my POV. I've had success with iPhone voice memos that I then upload to a basic video editing software that has a noise reduction feature for audio clips. Any chance something like that might work for you?
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This was my favorite part! Previous videos I've seen like this tend to interpret lines super literally, and so my brain automatically starts tuning out the visuals, since they don't come with deeper meaning. It was clear you put a lot of thought into the clips you chose, along with the timing of them - which made me pay attention not only to the video, but to the poetry more as well.
Thank you so much. I created these videos first of all for my own personal enjoyment. I see them as a roller coaster ride, and I'm thrilled to hear that they impact you as well. I do like the part you mentioned, but speaking from a personal standpoint, I like the segment that transitions from Jesus to hell to heaven and then goes steampunk with the clocks. The fusion of my contemplation of the divine with the stylistic shift hits me hard. It engages and stimulates my brain in a remarkable way.
I do think a real human voiceover could take it up another notch. No matter how good AI software is, to me it always has a robotic quality, which puts it at-odds with something as romantic as poetry. Plus, my brain sort of automatically classifies AI voiceover videos in the more "spammy" corner of YouTube even if that's not fair/accurate.
Just as Big Blue triumphed over the reigning chess grandmaster in the late 90s, a time will soon arrive when AI voiceovers outshine human voiceovers in every aspect. Nevertheless, we have not yet reached that stage. It is worth considering that if one is aware that it is an AI voice, the brain tends to actively seek out any robotic attributes and amplify their impact.

Currently, I am contemplating a plan to incorporate real voices into my projects. One possibility is to collaborate with a specialist in poetry reading. It would be a win-win and multiply both our efforts. I have been considering the specific details of this arrangement, and it might involve creating two videos together, with each of us obtaining exclusive rights to one of them.
Your visuals are so compelling, though, that they're still doing the heavy lifting! I do Instructional Design work for a living and know how difficult good editing and videography can be - this is really high-quality content from my POV
Thanks, a lot.
I've had success with iPhone voice memos that I then upload to a basic video editing software that has a noise reduction feature for audio clips. Any chance something like that might work for you?
The majority of the music I utilize has undergone professional editing to eliminate all forms of noise. One benefit of using AI voices is that they typically lack the kind of noise that would be present if I were to record my own human voice in my home. In most cases, the intervals between speech are completely devoid of any noise, except for the AI's imitation of breathing. However, there are occasional instances of artifact noise. In such cases, I would sample the noise and utilize audio software to remove it. Since my standard operating procedure involves actively seeking out and removing noise, I wouldn't really require it if the software you use does that.

The video editing platform I use, Pictory, offers a song library consisting of 15,000 songs. However, it lacks sound tools. After completing the video editing process on the site, I have the option to take an additional step of muting the voiceover and extracting the music separately. Once the music is extracted, I can apply a parametric equalizer (eq) to it, creating a notch to accommodate the voiceover. This process involves using sound editing software and reducing the volume of the music within the range of 1.0KHz to 1.8KHz. I haven't done this yet, but the feedback I'm hearing tells me I really do need to do this.

Perhaps the software you possess automates this process?
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One thing that I would caution you against is how dismissive you (edit: I should say "sound"--because I don't know your feelings--I only know what the blurb in the video and what your posts here sound like to me) are of what goes in to masterful voice acting and the actual art of poetry reading.

You are repeatedly saying that AI is just as skilled as a seasoned voice actor. You say that your videos are "re-imagined from different perspectives" (an AI that can mimic different accents isn't the same thing as it "imagining" an interpretation of poetry--AI is not capable of imagination. Humans are. Like the voice actors you are being so dismissive of or the actual poets who write and read the poetry you claim as part of your "art."

I don't deny that putting together images and music with poetry is creative and can qualify as art, but if you're going to get into something and try to present yourself as some kind of masterful artist at it, then you should probably at least study and learn about poetry reading.

You are essentially taking the role of being the reader of the poetry through your augmentation of the AI. You are the one reading the poetry in such a robotic way, because you are manipulating the AI voice the way a poetry reader manipulates their vocal chords and the air coming from their mouth when they read poetry outloud.

So my criticism is that you should not put down the pioneers of your "art"--you are not the first one to ever recite poetry. You are certainly not the first person to ever create a video that puts music and images to poetry. You should do the research into this craft if you genuinely aren't aware about the current conventions and history of it. This will only make you a better voice actor or poetry reader, even if you are using AI voices instead of your own vocal chords.

I am just a little tired of repeatedly reading how "AI will outshine human voice actors in every way" and such nonesense--do you even understand the basic principles behind poetry reading? I don't, but you're the one who wants to become more proficient at it.

Have you done research into poetry reading? Watched poetry slams? Listened to poets reading their own work? There is an art to oral performance and you did not invent it. Sure, you can do something different--everyone does. But people who truly seek to master or become proficient at something will usually research and try to understand what has already been done as well.

Unless it's just a fun little project, in which case that's fine--but please stop acting like AI is some kind of voice actor. You are the voice actor here if you're expressing through the AI as if it is a musical instrument, instead of expressing through your own vocal chords. Then you should learn from them rather than putting them down.

I get that you're trying to "sell it" or advertise it. But art is more than just advertising. And sorry for being so harsh, but you should be giving credit to voice actors rather than being dismissive of them. Your AI was likely trained on them and took elements of their voice into its recordings anyway. Your AI would not exist without voice actors, likely.
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You asked for critical comments and I should hve been a lot nicer, but I don't like some of the things you are saying about human voice actors. Especially that last comment about how AI will "outshine them in every way" soon.

Poetry is part of the HUMANITIES. Art is too. Don't put humanity down by claiming to to be mastering a discipline of the humanities. It's rude. That's what makes it part of the humanities--the human aspect. It sounds dismissive to me.

Anyway--the real productive criticism I would say to you is DO YOUR RESEARCH. Its clear you've done a lot of research and thinking about your art--and these pieces you've created are expressive and obviously touching a lot of people, so that is all good.

But do try to do research into it ahead of time--do not just let whatever that AI thing is do it all for you. You are obviously re-imagining things. You are being artistic and creative. I put art in quotation marks because you put it in the title, but I am miffed you keep dissing humanities while claiming to master humanities.

So I would caution you to research the other artists in your field--to understand what work goes into it and what the discipline is. Of course then also go your own way. Also remember that poetry can have a lot of layers and so you should know things like that Frost's popular poem was actually supposed to be glib teasing to his friend. So there is work involved in researching the poets, researching for interpretation. Literary analysis isn't easy and that is also part of what it seems you are doing. You are analyzing literature and you are presenting a fresh interpretation or offering it in some other way. So people will want to know you have done your research and are adding something to the table.

All the harsh tone is just directed towards my perceived dismissivness against human poetry readers, because I do not think you should dis them if you are gong to try to master their art with them by performing poetry with AI.

So I apologize, but I am kinda cranky and the language was annoying me.
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Or else just don't dis voice actors--don't compare AI or say it's just as good as a seasoned voice actor. That's not nice and it's not necessary. It's only going to annoy people who like to listen to recited poetry.

Yeah you're trying to play the AI up but you don't have to put others down to show its strengths.

It's like saying calculators will outshine mathematicians . It's not necessary. And it's more likely to draw conflict than to win anyone to your side or help them see the value of your creation.

And maybe you can say I'm prejudiced against AI, but the crux of it is that voice actors put a lot of work into their craft and even someone like me, who knows only the tip of the iceberg about performance art--it sounds super dismissive and ignorant to say that the AI does just as good of a job just because it sounds less noisy. That makes it sound like you're missing the point of poetry reading.

So yeah, third time (sorry for being mean) I'm just going to say I hope you've done your research into performance arts, poetry readings, and you understand the craft you are pursuing, because that's an important part of mastering anything and it's what most artists do. They give respect where it is deserved as well. They don't come into a craft trying to dominate it or say that they are better than everyone else without studying it.

ugh--but yeah, I probably am a little biased. So that's all that puts me off. I spent like four hours yesterday researching Frost's poem and reading about how his friend died in the war, and about their walks, and about their biography. That's what I expect someone who is going to make literary analysis to do if they are going to put the work into being a master. And if you don't want to do that it's okay--but you are putting a pleasant voice to the poem and idk--I wouldn't be putting down voice actors, poetry recitals by humans, and literary analysis at the same time.

If it makes you happy then do it, but try not to be dismissive of people who've been doing it for far longer than you and who pioneered the craft.
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