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I've been working in the IT field for about 14 years now.

At the job I'm not at, and have been for the past 3 years, I've come across issues I'm trying to deal with.

I have a problem where when I notice someone on my team is kissing a bunch of ass all of the sudden to get on good terms, or when someone is doing less than the minimum; I want to tell the manager and/or call them out on it.

I know this is not the professional thing to do, but it's like when I see something going on that is wrong or not fair, I want to put up a big stink and call people out on their crap.

My question, is how do the rest of you people deal with these sort of political types of issues at work? I know I should just ignore or brush it off, but it just eats away at me.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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Can totally relate- but honestly I tend to also just not saying anything but quietly plot their inevitable downfall. I like to think that things will settle themselves out but it really depends on where you are. Sometimes the environment rewards that behavior.

I dunno, you could dip into the ENTP shadow functions and make fun of them for it. lol
 

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In my old job we used to joke about kissing ass a lot. Prevented people from taking it seriously and thinking it would get them somewhere. And we had established good rapport among our peers beforehand so that was not an issue.

How every person does their job is between them and their manager. Unless I get paid for overseeing someone, I won't bother. I'd only bring it up with the person if their slacking off would start impacting my work negatively. I cannot envision a situation where you going directly to the manager would end well and if anything would make you even more involved in these politics.
 

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Can relate and work in IT as well. I think many people may not perceive ass kissing as such when they actually do it.
It does look annoying at first and burns my respect of those who do it greatly, but, if it gets to the point where it's hard to ignore it, maybe you can reframe your view of such methods to reduce amplitude of reaction, enforce more detached perspective by, for example, seeing this as some special kind of mechanics/strategy among many others that may exist in social networks of all sorts that tune/adjust weights of edges between some people-nodes in graph.
So ass kissing becomes then just a strategy that scales weight factors in favor of higher priority nodes (the ones that have most influence/power over entire network state) by sacrificing weights of edges with some individualistic/independent INTJs that were unlucky enough to oversee such exchange. It doesn't look that irrational at a first glance.

As for those who do less than minimum more context info is required, as there can be many ways of handling this.
I, personally, when it is appropriate and I am free enough, try to mentor/nurture those who underperform, look at reasons of what can be optimized and improved. Maybe there is untapped potential and they can be transformed/reworked into more stronger members. Or I will just gain more useful data in the worst case.
Surely extent of my intervention heavily depends on how close we are team-wise, as I don't see it expedient to bother with performance of distant members of my company.
 

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How every person does their job is between them and their manager. Unless I get paid for overseeing someone, I won't bother. I'd only bring it up with the person if their slacking off would start impacting my work negatively. I cannot envision a situation where you going directly to the manager would end well and if anything would make you even more involved in these politics.
The main reason I've been feeling like this is something that I MIGHT want to handle, is my team has had 4 different managers over the last 3 years and they all varied in how little they dealt with accountability. And, back when I cared, I would take on more responsibility that a senior or lead would take on; only to get burnt down the road.

But I totally agree. I need to adapt this mindset, but it's hard when you see it go on for years and nothing happens.
 

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Can relate and work in IT as well. I think many people may not perceive ass kissing as such when they actually do it.
It does look annoying at first and burns my respect of those who do it greatly, but, if it gets to the point where it's hard to ignore it, maybe you can reframe your view of such methods to reduce amplitude of reaction, enforce more detached perspective by, for example, seeing this as some special kind of mechanics/strategy among many others that may exist in social networks of all sorts that tune/adjust weights of edges between some people-nodes in graph.
So ass kissing becomes then just a strategy that scales weight factors in favor of higher priority nodes (the ones that have most influence/power over entire network state) by sacrificing weights of edges with some individualistic/independent INTJs that were unlucky enough to oversee such exchange. It doesn't look that irrational at a first glance.

As for those who do less than minimum more context info is required, as there can be many ways of handling this.
I, personally, when it is appropriate and I am free enough, try to mentor/nurture those who under perform, look at reasons of what can be optimized and improved. Maybe there is untapped potential and they can be transformed/reworked into more stronger members. Or I will just gain more useful data in the worst case.
Surely extent of my intervention heavily depends on how close we are team-wise, as I don't see it expedient to bother with performance of distant members of my company.
I think it's more of a mindset issue for me, as I'm not looking to solve for each of the examples I gave. But, looking at the responses I've received, I'm wondering if this is more of a management issue as I prob wouldn't have built up such resentment if this would have been handled or there was at least trust that this would be handled.

After talking with cowworkers, I've realized they've all adapted a "just row your boat and don't create waves" mentality. I'm just trying to learn how to let these sort of things go and not dwell on them.
 

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Quit.

That is what I would do, I assume you already had many thought about possibilities to get hired somewhere else. I do not know your merits or opportunities elsewhere, but I personally can never find myself comfortable with that kind of bad management or job-culture. With that high turnover of new managers, I assume it is more of a regular clerk-job rather than specialist-job. Sometimes, one step back is needed to find two steps forward.
 
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