Well, lets break it down by cognitive processes first off-I'm an ISFJ. Can someone explain the difference between an INFJ and an ISFJ female? :happy:
Yeah, that's definitely the S/N difference.The difference between S and N is the one I've always had the most trouble with to be honest. One of my friends is an ISFJ and I sometimes struggle to tell the difference between our personality types. One thing I've noticed is that she seems to be much more grounded in the here and now. She seems to focus more on present circumstances while I tend to think more about the future and what could be. I'm not sure if that's personality related or something else, but that's one of the biggest differences between us that I've noticed anyway.
ISFJ's more emotional and pessimistic? Hmm.. well, both of the ones in my life are incredibly stable and usually optimistic. INFJ's seem to be pretty moody overall in comparison, though emotional may not be the best way to describe it. Any type can become emotional and pessimistic if they are unhealthy.Thanks for all the answers! Would you say ISFJs are more emotional and pessimistic? Do INFJs feel guilty if they asked people to do them a favor? Do you guys over think? Do you guys cry easily?
Emotional? Yes. Pessimist? Meh. There's a thread about that somewhere down the list actually. INFJ's looking sad or something like that. I think we react to things just like most other people do but we don't tend to share those emotions very openly. I personally do feel guilty when I ask people to do me a favor because I don't like the idea of imposing my needs on them. I only overthink things when the effects are longterm, so college major, employment, etc. Finally as to crying, I wish I cried more actually. For some reason I have a really hard time crying no matter how sad or depressed I get. :sad:Thanks for all the answers! Would you say ISFJs are more emotional and pessimistic? Do INFJs feel guilty if they asked people to do them a favor? Do you guys over think? Do you guys cry easily?
you have described me and my freind perfectly. My mum is also an ISFJ I an highly recomend them as fanstistc types as mothers <3ISFJs to me seem to pay more attention to physical appearance of others. For example I noticed they would read somebody's facial expression, body language, pose, notice their clothing, may be something they are carrying, etc. and then try to make some conclusions about the person from this. I've had ISFJs try to guess my mood from my facial expression a few times. To the contrary my ability to pick up information from observing such physical cues is rather inferior.
ISFJs are very good at remembering various details and specifics, such as quotes from books, names of authors or actors, dates, places, and so on. INFJs tend to suck at this.
ISFJs also seem to like making puns in humor more than INFJs. INFJs I think gravitate more towards irony. I am not sure about this one though. May be it is the the ISFJs that I know.
I think both types can be stuck on the past. Ni is also a past oriented introspective function that leads INFJ to observe and contemplate a lot on what they have observed, what has already transpired, what is in past. But in this contemplation the specifics gets erased and details become more alike and ultimately interchangeable. Memories become fluidic and start to interlink. Perception of past becomes like one endless ocean. I think for ISFJs to the contrary memory is kept very sharp and each thing they remember sort of gets stored in memory in very high resolution. I have very little Si though but sometimes I get flashes of almost photographic memory where I can remember in high detail a place a visited before or somebody's face. I think this might be my extremely inferior Si letting itself be known. Normally such things are rather obscure for me.
That's absolutely true. ISFJs tend to be guilty about receiving good things, and stressed that they will have to repay it in order to be "good". Whereas an INFJ would just be appreciative of the gift, and know that they will remember the gift and pay it back when an opportunity to do so presents itself. Far less pressure.I dont feel guilty for asking poeple to somthing. I operate on Karma. I know I will do somthing nice back and that the person who is helping me out is a good egg. I can remeber the good eggs at least.
Well of course you think so, you silly NT. :tongue:INFJs tend to be a lot cooler than ISFJs.
I think that's a really good, straightforward way of describing it. Right on point.magister" said:ISFJs tend to focus more on the past, often nostalgically. They tend to want to go back to how things where when they were children, while INFJs tend to be more focused on their goals for the future. ISFJs are creatures of habit, while INFJs like trying new things.
(As a general rule of thumb,
Si- focus on the past
Se - focus on the present
Ni-focus on the future
Ne-focus on how things could be in various alternate realities)
Very interesting. I'd say that makes a lot of sense.magister said:I remember watching a video once that said that those who focus more on the past are much more likely to suffer depression and those who focus on the future are much more likely to suffer anxiety. ISFJs may thus be more depressed and INFJs more anxious.
I think your description is generally on point. However, I also think it's incredibly biased. It strikes me as painting INFJ's as people who are out there making the world a better place through their idealistic views of the future and ISFJ's as stubborn, non-bending people who put themselves in boring, depressing ruts and can't accept people that don't view life like this. I'm not saying this was your intent, and of course from your perspective the Ni way of looking at life is preferable...but I think your description here is a little heavy on the positives of INFJ's and the negatives of ISFJ's.ISFJs can be more demanding. At times they inspire people around them to be better. At other times, they seem always let down by those around them who are not "good enough" and mope about it.
As far as what our intelligent INTP friend said... if an ISFJ focuses on the past, then they're always trying to return to that ideal, and are probably often disappointed as those ideals (in themselves and less healthily, in others) don't come to be.
If INFJs are more focused on the future, then they are trying to create the ideal which is not yet come, which means that whatever acts they do, they do to improve themselves... others... and their situation so someday they will reach that ideal. But our ideal isn't set in stone, like a vision of the past would be...
Our ideal is an ideal depending, absolutely, on the many variations that come with the different people and situations that surround us. We don't try to force people to act by our ideal, but rather guide them to be better on their own terms through an intimate understanding of them.
That's absolutely true. ISFJs tend to be guilty about receiving good things, and stressed that they will have to repay it in order to be "good". Whereas an INFJ would just be appreciative of the gift, and know that they will remember the gift and pay it back when an opportunity to do so presents itself. Far less pressure.
Haha, I don't believe in the words "Too positive" when it comes to my fellow INFJs. Like many other INFJs, I'm tribalistic. I love my tribe roud:I think your description is generally on point. However, I also think it's incredibly biased... I think your description here is a little heavy on the positives of INFJ's and the negatives of ISFJ's.
Well... when I thought about the differences between ISFJ and INFJ, it was the ISFJ negatives that came to my mind, because those are the things that stick out to me most. I have to watch my ISFJ friend put herself through some pretty torturous stuff, and since it bothers me a lot, it's very present in my mind because I often think about why I wouldn't put up with half of the crap she puts up with. But, I get it... I was a little negative on ISFJs so you want me to admit that ISFJs have good aspects, and INFJs have bad aspects... a bit defensive on your part, but fair enough. :tongue:Now, don't get me wrong...I'm not saying ISFJ's can't and don't have tons of issues...
When it comes to love, perhaps. INFJs can really fuck up good. Aside from love, I find INFJ to be a very balanced type.from what I've seen INFJ's can have their own whole set of issues as well.
^ Spot on. INFJs are very distant. ISFJs are very often far more present for current events.However, while ISFJ's aren't as adept at pushing towards ideals and constantly changing ourselves and others as well as INFJ's are, we do have strengths in dealing with the here and now. There are immediate needs that people have, and we generally are very capable and strikingly consistent in delivering them to people. Our consistencies can be viewed as boring or unimaginative in one light, but in another they can be viewed as extremely loyal, dependable and unrelentingly deep.
I don't think I said that... ISFJs connection to the past is a cornerstone that I've seen ISFJs use to motivate themselves to do great things and flood their friends and families with warmth. I'm more just concerned that ISFJs hold themselves, and others, to expectations that, from what I've seen, can often be unrealistic.Also, you make it seem as though our fondness for the past is depressing, unattainable or useless.
That argument has always seemed like a no-brainer to me. Perfection is impossible to achieve. As such, any nation that doesn't strive to constantly improve and better itself in a competitive world will be left behind. Conservatism in this day and age is a ridiculous concept.To me, it's almost like the old conservative vs progressive argument. I've never felt as a whole one is better than the other. There are some things that are just fine the way they are and should be kept consistent
Ni is rubbish for sports like paintballing, etc. I'm always looking to stimulate and strengthen my Se.And of course, we're talking in extremes here...it's not as though ISFJ's have no N capabilities and INFJ's have no S capabilities. ISFJ's like routine, but that doesn't mean we never change or try anything new.
There is a great power in the human spirit to reach heights and sink to lows. I will not deny that power for one of any type to hit the highest heights of virtue, or of one of any type to so resoundingly drive themselves into the ground.I firmly believe that all 16 types are equal, even if some people, including myself, prefer and get along with some types more than others. So I do hope you do believe and see that, even if you didn't wish to display it in your description.