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But OP--just because other women feel insecure about their bodies doesn't reflect on you. If you don't feel you have a place in the discussion---that's probably good?

I mean--if the goal is body positivity, and you feel positive about your body, then great.

It's like people talk about breast cancer, and I don't have breast cancer so I don't have anything to really share about it. But while they are seeking a cure for breast cancer, it's not necessarily BAD that I don't have it. It's just that I can still support other people seeking a cure for breast cancer, even if I don't have it. I am glad that people can not have breast cancer like me. So you know--there's nothing conflicting between you having a positive attitude towards your body and the body positivity movement.

However, if you are legit talking about how people shame women who feel comfortable in their own bodies, well that isn't coming from the body positivity movement. There is a history of women being shamed for their bodies and their sexuality and for their "vanity" that goes back thousands of years.

I think one of the issues with women's body issues is that women have historically been judged for pretty much anything they do. They can be shamed for being ugly (moreso in recent times I think) or shamed for being immodest or vain. Women can be shamed for wearing makeup or shamed for "not making an effort." This goes beyond anything to do with body positivity though, and back into history of...I guess...the patriarchy (I never really learned much feminist theory, but I guess it must be patriarchy that I'm talking about--I do have my own theories and so I think it aligns with that theory but idk).

Of course, if I went to a breast cancer walk-a-thon and started to say things like "well I feel so unincluded because I don't have breast cancer!" people might find me a bit insensitive and perhaps it would be a little inappropriate for the situation, since breast cancer is very painful to a lot of people--people can lose a lot when they have that diagnosis. So I could probably learn a little bit more about them and let them have a moment to raise awareness for the breast cancer cause. I can see how I might receive some negative attention because it is a sensitive subject, just like body-image issues can be a sensitive subject for some women or people who've known women who've suffered from body-image disorders.

However, if you're discussing how women have been shamed for enjoying and accepting their own bodies, then I think there have probably been some feminist studies on it. Because it's not a new thing. I think women often had to walk a double edged sword with unrealistic expectations that pretty much criticized anything outside of some kind of unrealistic ideal.
 

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That's not what concerns me. It's the hypocrisy of pressure to look pretty but don't you dare be aware that you're attractive. Because if you look good and know you look good, people are going to look for a reason to bring you do. You're shallow, a gold digger, slutty, something. But you can't just be a healthy, happy woman. That would be wrong.


oh, well thanks for clearing that up, very concise. in that case. fuck dem hoes. they be jealous. That goes for anyone who is succesful, people instantly hate you. For example i have a socialist coworker who just hate people with money... becuase they have money when ive known several rich people who are actually awesome people. (and awful ones as well)
 

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But OP--just because other women feel insecure about their bodies doesn't reflect on you. If you don't feel you have a place in the discussion---that's probably good?

I mean--if the goal is body positivity, and you feel positive about your body, then great.

It's like people talk about breast cancer, and I don't have breast cancer so I don't have anything to really share about it. But while they are seeking a cure for breast cancer, it's not necessarily BAD that I don't have it. It's just that I can still support other people seeking a cure for breast cancer, even if I don't have it. I am glad that people can not have breast cancer like me. So you know--there's nothing conflicting between you having a positive attitude towards your body and the body positivity movement.

However, if you are legit talking about how people shame women who feel comfortable in their own bodies, well that isn't coming from the body positivity movement. There is a history of women being shamed for their bodies and their sexuality and for their "vanity" that goes back thousands of years.

I think one of the issues with women's body issues is that women have historically been judged for pretty much anything they do. They can be shamed for being ugly (moreso in recent times I think) or shamed for being immodest or vain. Women can be shamed for wearing makeup or shamed for "not making an effort." This goes beyond anything to do with body positivity though, and back into history of...I guess...the patriarchy (I never really learned much feminist theory, but I guess it must be patriarchy that I'm talking about--I do have my own theories and so I think it aligns with that theory but idk).

Of course, if I went to a breast cancer walk-a-thon and started to say things like "well I feel so unincluded because I don't have breast cancer!" people might find me a bit insensitive and perhaps it would be a little inappropriate for the situation, since breast cancer is very painful to a lot of people--people can lose a lot when they have that diagnosis. So I could probably learn a little bit more about them and let them have a moment to raise awareness for the breast cancer cause. I can see how I might receive some negative attention because it is a sensitive subject, just like body-image issues can be a sensitive subject for some women or people who've known women who've suffered from body-image disorders.

However, if you're discussing how women have been shamed for enjoying and accepting their own bodies, then I think there have probably been some feminist studies on it. Because it's not a new thing. I think women often had to walk a double edged sword with unrealistic expectations that pretty much criticized anything outside of some kind of unrealistic ideal.
I think body positivity as a general movement isn't problematic. However, it can seem like if I try to show support, it doesn't go over well. I guess the equivalent is showing up at a breast cancer walk as someone without breast cancer and receiving dirty looks for it. Outside of the movement and on a more general level, there's the general undertone that we're supposed to look healthy but if we are healthy, there's a lot of assumptions. Maybe it's historical/patriarchal and just slut shaming. I'm not sure what the root is. It's just one of those things where there's the repetition of 'be healthy' but then negativity toward women if they are healthy. I won't say it's men or women, it's just different. I suspect the guys like this are incels and religious assholes. The women are harder to get a read on.

I remember an episode of Seinfeld, where there's a woman who doesn't wear a bra. That it bothered Elaine so much, was strange to me. Elaine ends up buying her a bra and the woman wears the bra as a shirt, Elaine's brain just about explodes. It's the women like Elaine that I'm not understanding. What difference does it make to her if this woman wears a bra or not? It's not like Elaine is flat or has anything to be jealous of or is even religious. What's the problem?
 

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And the cosmetics and diet industry. Probably even the fashion industry to a degree.
Definitely. It makes people feel "not good enough." Even men's magazines. We see all of these ads trying to sell protein shakes, protein powder. I as a woman personally find buff guys disgusting to look at. People can too easily dismiss the influence and power of advertisement on human behavior- no different than what OP is saying about society.
 

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I don't know about society, but I want everyone to be happy with their bodies, especially women. I find them fascinating and fun.
 
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I have wondered it's a personality thing. There aren't a lot of ESTP women but it's common for us to put a lot of focus on diet and exercise. But also as a Se-dom, I believe I have an objective view of my body.
I personally think it does have something to do with personality as stereotypes aren't usually created based on minorities. They're created based on majority. If you think for example about stereotypical jokes about men vs women, it's quite clear - they do apply for "average" people but not to everyone.

And as we know, Se doms (or any other Se persons) don't make up majority of the population. I think "distorted"/unobjective view of our body comes with Si and those types are most widespread according to the statistics I've seen. So they might form an overall attitude/stereotype of society about appearances as well.

I'm together with INFJ and she has quite the same objective view about her appearances as you do, despite that their Se is quite little (but still visible) compared to Se dom :) And I prefer that objective attitude over unobjective approach any time!
 

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It seems like there's so much coverage about feeling insecure about your body and how to feel more 'body positive'. Any conversation about how you feel about your body, I get the distinct impression that I'm supposed to not be happy with it if I want to be a part of this conversation, I can't just be happy. I'm not about to send nudes to anybody or make sex tapes. But I'm happy with my body.
There are a number of conflations here. These 'conversations' are meant to speak to the majority of people that ... properly ... feel that their bodies need ... MORE ... effort than what they are applying. So, the conversation is speaking to the average person, and ... perhaps, not you. The fact that you feel impelled and directed by such a conversation means you do not feel in control of who you are talking to or listening to. This has very little to do with your body and much more to do with your willpower. You really SHOULD have a conversation about that.

I was thinking about it this morning when I got up and took a shower and was looking in the mirror. I like how my knees, hips and joints align perfectly. I like my curves. I like how my breasts are in proportion with my body and fit my aesthetics. I especially love my legs. I have to work very hard to keep my waist looking nice but my legs are amazing. I'm proud of my body and I'm happy with how I look.
So, now, ... YOU are demonstrating that YOU are ... PAST the other conversation. Your admiration needs to come on a different level. You realize that your body image is your choice, but your public image needs some attention, as in ... right here. I wonder, do you see the parallel?

The thing is, if you are a woman who is happy with her body, it very much feels like society is frowning on me.
Yes, and I am just offering a suggestion, that perhaps it should. You see, no one is perfect. Laziness includes the concept of acceptance. I just had another thread where people were on and on about acceptance. Acceptance is laziness. It is self-indulgent rot.

I am NOT saying that we should EXPECT to become perfect, but the pursuit of perfection is ongoing, and that is acceptable. Acceptance all by itself of imperfection is actually NOT acceptable.

To say something like I love you just the way you are, is fine. That is love. Love includes as a law the moral duty of aiming at perfection. So, yes, simultaneously we love people just the way they are AND we recognize properly the need to aim anew each waking moment at perfection, realizing that we will never get there. It is this juxtaposition that defines all truth, all wisdom. Understanding or preferring only one side of this truth, the 'unconditional love' side, is not wise. The unending duty side is every single bit as important.

Any time a woman is happy with her body written as a character, she is vain and promiscuous and uses her sexuality to manipulate people. What's so wrong with a woman just liking her body?
Acceptance is laziness. All health requires constant effort. It's the same as cleaning, maintenance. It's working out. It's flow. It's actual positive energy and it NEVER ends. Even death is just a loss of delusional identity and death does not stop the moral truth of aiming at perfection.

I find MANY women out there who are working on their bodies daily even and these women are HAPPIER than the women who merely accept their bodies.

Of course you can take this pursuit of perfection too far. That is what the word 'grace' means. You have to know when to rest, when the work that you have done was indeed your best. Becoming neurotic or obsessed about the aim at perfection is NOT properly aiming at perfection. Accepting the need for ongoing effort, betterment, IS properly aiming at perfection, and that implies, you are not accepting how you are in any given state. You ALWAYS morally try for more, for BETTER. You can also say it this way: Try to make your tomorrows the BEST they can be, even given the ravages of age and damage.

Why is it associated with negative character traits? I look after myself and put a lot of work into my diet and exercise. My mother started it and I never stopped, I've kept up what she started.
Excellent! So you do work at it. If you were right and ... happy, in the sense of being satisfied, your work would be done. But, JUST LIKE THOSE CONVERSATIONS you malign, you are ... not happy, as in, you do not just accept where you are. You work at it. That is all those conversations are saying.

I have wondered it's a personality thing. There aren't a lot of ESTP women but it's common for us to put a lot of focus on diet and exercise. But also as a Se-dom, I believe I have an objective view of my body.
There is no objective view. But yes, closer to objective. An objective-aimed view. Objective is perfection, by the way. It is perfect awareness.

I look fit, healthy and feminine. As far as I can tell, my body is beautiful. My face is above average in attractiveness, but I wouldn't rate it as highly, but I'm still pretty. But I get the strong impression that I'm not supposed to be happy with my body. I'm supposed to be on some never ending quest for perfection. I'm not a perfectionist and never have been.
Perfection-aiming IS a virtue. Perfection expectation is a sin. Figure it out.

If society always associates negative traits with women who are happy with their bodies, when will it be okay for women to be happy with their bodies? Which is it?
You are conflating happiness and acceptance.

Accepting your body is not good or proper. Always work to make things better.
Expecting perfection is not good or proper. But aiming at it, intending it, is. Work is required of us morally in every way.

Do we want women to look after our bodies and be happy with how we look? Or do we want to be distrustful of women who are happy with their bodies? Do we, as a society, even want women to be happy with their bodies?
First you admit you are NOT perfect. Rather that claiming you are not a perfectionist, say you are not perfect. Be strong enough emotionally to admit this and still be happy.

Second you work on becoming perfect. You don't worry about actually getting there, but you cheerfully work on it and let THAT make you happy, because it should.

Satisfaction is death. You can quote me on that.
 

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I made a post about this year(s) ago on this [site]. If you do not openly hate yourself with low/non-existent self-esteem, that is considered offensive and unnatural. There will be women that attack you for no reason at all because you're tired of hearing that mentally ill "I hate my body, society forces me to hate my body" spam everyday. I would say surround yourself by women that do not whine about this day in and day out and blame the world while simultaneously doing 0 self-improvement work or better their self-esteem and confidence as women outside of all the extra shit. This is incredibly immature, and most girls should be striving to grow out of that teengirl mindset by 20-30s. It's completely fucking weird to say things like, "I hate my body" and we are conditioned to think that's some normal thing to be hearing from women. Like no, that sounds fuckign weird and isn't cute to say. You sound ill. What are doing to work on confidence legitimately that doesn't involved some weird political movement? Not one of these impersonal women march whatever has made me feel any kind of way about myself on a personal level. Usually nothing gets fixed in these women, and there fucking 35 years old still in the same teengirl mindset when it comes to body issues.

Low self-esteem and perpetually abnormal thought patterns in women is considered humility and feminine, and most women have bought into it and think they are functioning at peak health efficiency than they are. That's the biggest garbage I've heard. It also probably comes from some ego-driven male type shit that tends to think mentally unhealthy or mentally ill women with self-hatred are a natural and normal state of a woman and women should strive for it. Part of it is male ignorance regarding what mentally ill actually look like and how these mental disorders manifest in women in comparison to men. She looks "all that" but sometimes the chick has a severe mental disorder and is unstable. Then there highly weird group of women that hate themselves and bodies and cannot communicate anything in adult form to a human man, and that's considered "shy, feminine and cute" like that's normal. Men are most responsive to women that exhibit a fuckton of insecurities and retarded anxieties and social phobias in regard to herself because it's so normalized, when she should be working on overcoming these things just like socially retarded men.
 

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Men are most responsive to women that exhibit a fuckton of insecurities and retarded anxieties and social phobias in regard to herself because it's so normalized, when she should be working on overcoming these things just like socially retarded men.
I like your post up until the "Men are ...", not that it isn't true. I prefer a woman with self-confidence or at least shows self-confidence. I admit there is a temptation for some men to want to "rescue" an insecure woman possibly because it gives them a relationship project or they need rescuing themselves, lol. A woman who exhibits what you said is not a complete woman, not that a man can't be in the same position.

This can get complicated when a person is confident in one area and not in another. Still there is a difference between emotional troubles and other kinds
 

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I like your post up until the "Men are ...", not that it isn't true. I prefer a woman with self-confidence or at least shows self-confidence. I admit there is a temptation for some men to want to "rescue" an insecure woman possibly because it gives them a relationship project or they need rescuing themselves, lol. A woman who exhibits what you said is not a complete woman, not that a man can't be in the same position.

This can get complicated when a person is confident in one area and not in another. Still there is a difference between emotional troubles and other kinds
Yeah, but you're just one man. I've met plenty of women that consider basic adulting and not hating yourself to be a masculine activity. Or a woman that is confident in herself is out to get men with manipulation techniques. LUL.

But tehehehe, my body is ugly and I've been in a perpetual state of crippling anxiety since teengirl years is considered forgivable behavior, yet the woman has a clear mental disorder and should be working on it, or at least pushed by her boyfriend or husband to improve that little girl mentality, but those are just my thoughts. I wouldn't ever be with a man that accepts or forgives my weakness, but pushes me to overcome them. Why would I want to be stuck in some weird mental space forever (???)
 

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Definitely. It makes people feel "not good enough." Even men's magazines. We see all of these ads trying to sell protein shakes, protein powder. I as a woman personally find buff guys disgusting to look at. People can too easily dismiss the influence and power of advertisement on human behavior- no different than what OP is saying about society.
I wouldn't say I'm entirely uninfluenced by fitness and diet advertising. Just that I don't feel bad looking at it and I don't buy their products. I do have some fun with the fashion, but I have a little fun with fashion anyway. I'm not sure if or on what level it impacts me. As I'm not feeling negative pressure about how I look, I might just be noticing other aspects more.
 

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It seems like there's so much coverage about feeling insecure about your body and how to feel more 'body positive'. Any conversation about how you feel about your body, I get the distinct impression that I'm supposed to not be happy with it if I want to be a part of this conversation, I can't just be happy. I'm not about to send nudes to anybody or make sex tapes. But I'm happy with my body.

I was thinking about it this morning when I got up and took a shower and was looking in the mirror. I like how my knees, hips and joints align perfectly. I like my curves. I like how my breasts are in proportion with my body and fit my aesthetics. I especially love my legs. I have to work very hard to keep my waist looking nice but my legs are amazing. I'm proud of my body and I'm happy with how I look.

The thing is, if you are a woman who is happy with her body, it very much feels like society is frowning on me. Any time a woman is happy with her body written as a character, she is vain and promiscuous and uses her sexuality to manipulate people. What's so wrong with a woman just liking her body? Why is it associated with negative character traits? I look after myself and put a lot of work into my diet and exercise. My mother started it and I never stopped, I've kept up what she started.

I have wondered it's a personality thing. There aren't a lot of ESTP women but it's common for us to put a lot of focus on diet and exercise. But also as a Se-dom, I believe I have an objective view of my body. I look fit, healthy and feminine. As far as I can tell, my body is beautiful. My face is above average in attractiveness, but I wouldn't rate it as highly, but I'm still pretty. But I get the strong impression that I'm not supposed to be happy with my body. I'm supposed to be on some never ending quest for perfection. I'm not a perfectionist and never have been.

If society always associates negative traits with women who are happy with their bodies, when will it be okay for women to be happy with their bodies? Which is it? Do we want women to look after our bodies and be happy with how we look? Or do we want to be distrustful of women who are happy with their bodies? Do we, as a society, even want women to be happy with their bodies?
I find that Se-doms/aux are the best at being happy with their physical appearance/sexuality and it's really a big reason why I am drawn to them. While I don't fault various women around the world, as a male, it is a bit annoying to have to continually tell someone you're dating that you find them attractive.

Many conservative women sexualize attractive women as being slutty, I have heard women insulted for having too red of lipstick and you know it's just because they are pretty and draw your attention without red lipstick lol. We have a pharmaceutical rep who is busty and attractive. My office manager thinks she's slutty simply because she has big boobs the same office manager also thinks a co-worker in another office is slutty ... she also has big boobs. Neither has struck me as slutty, they also seem to dress up because they like to.

I prefer women who like to glam themselves up because they like the way they look, a woman that feels confident is attractive. When she knows she has you in the palm of her hand because she knows you think she's a goddess... That's attractive. Women who carry themselves like that seem to have a lot of male fans who are also intimidated and many female enemies. Unfortunately in female land many of the worst enemies masquerade as friends. I think it's this perpetual betrayal that sucks for them the most and many end up concluding that women suck.
 

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There are negative stereotypes about women who are attractive and know they are attractive, because, sadly, some women who are attractive and know their own attractiveness, tend to exploit it. I don't think hypergamy, in itself is a bad thing in women. It's good for women who have the ability to be choosy to be choosy with their mates and pick someone with the means and the resourses to raise children who don't have to live their lives in poverty, but with the extreme way some women have expressed it, it's easy to put such a thing in a negative light. Thus, "gold digger" is a common stereotype with very attractive women.
We also see many women on places like Twitch who use their attractiveness to dress sexy and garner lots of donations from guys who simp over them. I think it's a lot of the negative media portrayals of women engaging in activities in which they directly use their attractiveness to make an income that gives it such a negative spin. Whether it's right or wrong to do so, I can't say, but it's certainly an unfair thing, because these attractive women have a resource they can take advantage of that not every one has, and, as with any innate advantage some people have over others, some people because jealous, or it makes them uncomfortable to be aware of the disadvantages they possess. What can I say? Genetics are unfair.
 
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There are negative stereotypes about women who are attractive and know they are attractive, because, sadly, some women who are attractive and know their own attractiveness, tend to exploit it. I don't think hypergamy, in itself is a bad thing in women. It's good for women who have the ability to be choosy to be choosy with their mates and pick someone with the means and the resourses to raise children who don't have to live their lives in poverty, but with the extreme way some women have expressed it, it's easy to put such a thing in a negative light. Thus, "gold digger" is a common stereotype with very attractive women.
We also see many women on places like Twitch who use their attractiveness to dress sexy and garner lots of donations from guys who simp over them. I think it's a lot of the negative media portrayals of women engaging in activities in which they directly use their attractiveness to make an income that gives it such a negative spin. Whether it's right or wrong to do so, I can't say, but it's certainly an unfair thing, because these attractive women have a resource they can take advantage of that not every one has, and, as with any innate advantage some people have over others, some people because jealous, or it makes them uncomfortable to be aware of the disadvantages they possess. What can I say? Genetics are unfair.
I actually feel like a big problem regarding this issue and several others as well is that there are a lot of things in life that are just naturally unfair. How you look, your intelligence, performance in certain tasks and wealth that you were born into are all out of your control, but it seems to be sort of a "taboo" to openly talk about those things or else you are branded as self-absorbed and "just bragging". The common theme in popular media seems to be that 1. "you can reach everything you set your mind to if you try hard enough" and 2. "if you are born with/into something, that's basically cheating".

I believe that both of those things can be highly damaging to someone's self-esteem. I'm really into fitness myself (I also have a very fit and attractive body, but I had it "easy", since I build muscle quickly, only store fat in "good" places and have naturally high energy = can eat lots of food) and am sometimes active on fitness subreddits where I regularly encounter women who have naturally unfavorable fat distributios, generally weird body shapes or naturally very slow metabolisms. Lots of these women tend to beat themselves up over not quite getting the results they want, especially because "everyone can do it if they want it badly enough", so to them it means that apparently they don't want it badly enough.

On the other hand, if you have good genetics, you sometimes get put down specifically by other women and it makes you seem self-absorbed or shallow to acknowledge it. It's the same with intelligence. In Mensa and Triple 9, it is advised not to talk about IQ with other people, because... well, why?
People who have some trait that others don't have often get ridiculed and put down by others for having something that they didn't have to work for. On the other hand, someone of below average intelligence will always feel like he's not "working hard enough" if he doesn't realize and accept that his learning capacities are simply lower.

In my opinion, it's vital for loving and accepting yourself that you realize where you stand on certain traits and make peace with the fact that some goals, you're never going to achieve and that is okay.
 

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It seems like there's so much coverage about feeling insecure about your body and how to feel more 'body positive'. Any conversation about how you feel about your body, I get the distinct impression that I'm supposed to not be happy with it if I want to be a part of this conversation, I can't just be happy. I'm not about to send nudes to anybody or make sex tapes. But I'm happy with my body.

I was thinking about it this morning when I got up and took a shower and was looking in the mirror. I like how my knees, hips and joints align perfectly. I like my curves. I like how my breasts are in proportion with my body and fit my aesthetics. I especially love my legs. I have to work very hard to keep my waist looking nice but my legs are amazing. I'm proud of my body and I'm happy with how I look.

The thing is, if you are a woman who is happy with her body, it very much feels like society is frowning on me. Any time a woman is happy with her body written as a character, she is vain and promiscuous and uses her sexuality to manipulate people. What's so wrong with a woman just liking her body? Why is it associated with negative character traits? I look after myself and put a lot of work into my diet and exercise. My mother started it and I never stopped, I've kept up what she started.

I have wondered it's a personality thing. There aren't a lot of ESTP women but it's common for us to put a lot of focus on diet and exercise. But also as a Se-dom, I believe I have an objective view of my body. I look fit, healthy and feminine. As far as I can tell, my body is beautiful. My face is above average in attractiveness, but I wouldn't rate it as highly, but I'm still pretty. But I get the strong impression that I'm not supposed to be happy with my body. I'm supposed to be on some never ending quest for perfection. I'm not a perfectionist and never have been.

If society always associates negative traits with women who are happy with their bodies, when will it be okay for women to be happy with their bodies? Which is it? Do we want women to look after our bodies and be happy with how we look? Or do we want to be distrustful of women who are happy with their bodies? Do we, as a society, even want women to be happy with their bodies?

I don't know about society, but I as an individual human male want every woman to feel happy about their body.
 

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It's easier to sell you stuff when you're not happy with what you have, so no
 

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I actually feel like a big problem regarding this issue and several others as well is that there are a lot of things in life that are just naturally unfair. How you look, your intelligence, performance in certain tasks and wealth that you were born into are all out of your control, but it seems to be sort of a "taboo" to openly talk about those things or else you are branded as self-absorbed and "just bragging". The common theme in popular media seems to be that 1. "you can reach everything you set your mind to if you try hard enough" and 2. "if you are born with/into something, that's basically cheating".

I believe that both of those things can be highly damaging to someone's self-esteem. I'm really into fitness myself (I also have a very fit and attractive body, but I had it "easy", since I build muscle quickly, only store fat in "good" places and have naturally high energy = can eat lots of food) and am sometimes active on fitness subreddits where I regularly encounter women who have naturally unfavorable fat distributios, generally weird body shapes or naturally very slow metabolisms. Lots of these women tend to beat themselves up over not quite getting the results they want, especially because "everyone can do it if they want it badly enough", so to them it means that apparently they don't want it badly enough.

On the other hand, if you have good genetics, you sometimes get put down specifically by other women and it makes you seem self-absorbed or shallow to acknowledge it. It's the same with intelligence. In Mensa and Triple 9, it is advised not to talk about IQ with other people, because... well, why?
People who have some trait that others don't have often get ridiculed and put down by others for having something that they didn't have to work for. On the other hand, someone of below average intelligence will always feel like he's not "working hard enough" if he doesn't realize and accept that his learning capacities are simply lower.

In my opinion, it's vital for loving and accepting yourself that you realize where you stand on certain traits and make peace with the fact that some goals, you're never going to achieve and that is okay.
Yes, very true.
I think with the ideologies that have taken over in the past decade, it makes people increasingly uncomfortable to acknowledge inequalities, or at the very least, innate differences among humans, but the human genome was made for variance, so I believe when we let go of the idea that we have to fit an objective standard to be beautiful or valuable then we can better accept the fact that some people may fit objective beauty or intelligence standards better than we do.
 

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I was thinking about it this morning when I got up and took a shower and was looking in the mirror. I like how my knees, hips and joints align perfectly. I like my curves. I like how my breasts are in proportion with my body and fit my aesthetics. I especially love my legs. I have to work very hard to keep my waist looking nice but my legs are amazing. I'm proud of my body and I'm happy with how I look.
That sounds fine but some women might take issue with you stating such things.

The thing is, if you are a woman who is happy with her body, it very much feels like society is frowning on me. Any time a woman is happy with her body written as a character, she is vain and promiscuous and uses her sexuality to manipulate people. What's so wrong with a woman just liking her body? Why is it associated with negative character traits? I look after myself and put a lot of work into my diet and exercise. My mother started it and I never stopped, I've kept up what she started.
Meh, might have to do with narcissism being a thing.
 

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It seems like there's so much coverage about feeling insecure about your body and how to feel more 'body positive'. Any conversation about how you feel about your body, I get the distinct impression that I'm supposed to not be happy with it if I want to be a part of this conversation, I can't just be happy. I'm not about to send nudes to anybody or make sex tapes. But I'm happy with my body.

I was thinking about it this morning when I got up and took a shower and was looking in the mirror. I like how my knees, hips and joints align perfectly. I like my curves. I like how my breasts are in proportion with my body and fit my aesthetics. I especially love my legs. I have to work very hard to keep my waist looking nice but my legs are amazing. I'm proud of my body and I'm happy with how I look.

The thing is, if you are a woman who is happy with her body, it very much feels like society is frowning on me. Any time a woman is happy with her body written as a character, she is vain and promiscuous and uses her sexuality to manipulate people. What's so wrong with a woman just liking her body? Why is it associated with negative character traits? I look after myself and put a lot of work into my diet and exercise. My mother started it and I never stopped, I've kept up what she started.

I have wondered it's a personality thing. There aren't a lot of ESTP women but it's common for us to put a lot of focus on diet and exercise. But also as a Se-dom, I believe I have an objective view of my body. I look fit, healthy and feminine. As far as I can tell, my body is beautiful. My face is above average in attractiveness, but I wouldn't rate it as highly, but I'm still pretty. But I get the strong impression that I'm not supposed to be happy with my body. I'm supposed to be on some never ending quest for perfection. I'm not a perfectionist and never have been.

If society always associates negative traits with women who are happy with their bodies, when will it be okay for women to be happy with their bodies? Which is it? Do we want women to look after our bodies and be happy with how we look? Or do we want to be distrustful of women who are happy with their bodies? Do we, as a society, even want women to be happy with their bodies?
Tell em! Beauty is inspiring in all its forms from the body to art to music. I don't think anyone should ever be ashamed of beauty and I hope that women can support each other to take good care of their physical and mental health such that we make the world a better place.
 
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