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I find some people want to talk to me about all these different theories or I hear people talking about them.

I personally don't care about conspiracy theories as I feel you don't really get to the point. The person can't exactly prove that they are right by what they are saying . There's so many different conspiracies out there. Some are about the past and I just think it happened in the past can we just forget about it instead of bring up these different possible theories.
I choose to just ignore all of them as they just end up confusing me and I'm not into debating I find it draining.

When someone tries to talk to me about them I usually just say things like I don't really know or just try and change the topic.
I may occasionally read a few but I don't get to tied up into any of it as it's just out of curiousity .


Do you care about conspiracy theories? Just want to see if other ISTPs are like this too.
 

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The truth about many subjects is actually often, very difficult to find, sometimes impossible, because most events in history have very few or no primary sources that it ends up getting changed slightly by every re-telling until it becomes a complete lie. This is why "conspiracy theories" exist, because they tell another truth, what the majority believe is usually called the "truth", but most "truths" don't have enough evidence to actually support them, they're generally believed because they're perceived to be the more likely truth. A conspiracy theory is simply another re-telling of the same events.

I'll use American history, as taught by public American schools, as an example: If you live in America and you went to public schools here, you should consider pretty much everything you learned in history class to be false, it's as simple as that. Some events are altered slightly for whatever reason (Political, ignorance, pride, misinterpretation, convenience, etc.), but some are so misconstrued that they might as well be considered fairy tales.


  • The European settlers in America didn't defeat the Natives, 90+ percent died by the plague through no intention of Europeans, all before the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock.
  • The Native Americans weren't anywhere near as primitive as they're portrayed to be, and therefore the pilgrims didn't actually "settle" America, so much as just, moved in.
  • Columbus was a joke, his entire existence was clouded with lies, most likely nothing you read about him in any text book is reality.
  • Vikings are largely believed by true historians to be the first Europeans to discover America, they had their asses handed to them by the natives, so they promptly left and probably didn't come back.
  • A majority of European settlers actually envied the natives for the way they lived and many often left their settlements to join them. Even Ben Franklin believed and wrote that the native culture provided more opportunities to live a free and happy life than any European cultures he had ever known could.
The above is just a small example of the lies told in history books, ask any true historian who learned history at a University level and they'll tell you that most, if not all history text books are big useless books of lies. The people who wrote the history books didn't want this sort of thing to be widely known, so they ignored it, and often changed reality to suit their own agenda. If you only read these text books and knew nothing else, and some person you never met before who you had no reason to trust, told you a completely different story, you would think it's a "conspiracy theory", even though, somewhere out there, there are facts and primary sources that prove that person right, despite the countless text books claiming otherwise.

So, why believe the same as what most do? Most people are frankly not that bright and don't question what they're told because despite the fact that almost every single person is born very curious, that curiosity is practically beaten out of them by the time they're in school by our society. The fact that so many people choose not to believe in "conspiracy theories", or question supposed "facts" is the exact reason why history text books are so full of lies.

There are so many things that people will tell you to be true without any evidence, that your first instinct should be to question them, no matter how trustworthy they seem. Many things are actually impossible to know for certain either way, yet most believe the world is a certain way, when in reality no one actually knows what the hell is going on half of the time since it's impossible. Most things are unexplained and they'll probably remain that way for a long time. Most of perceived reality is based on entropically estimated occurrences, this can be used to estimate most things and just means; what's most likely to happen, but not what actually happened.

Think of being at a beach, filling a bucket full of wet sand, and dumping it out onto the ground. What would happen? You don't really know exactly, but most would be sure that the sand would simply fall out of the bucket and land on the ground in a pile of sand, yet physics tells us that it's actually possible for that sand to land in such a way that it builds a sand castle on it's own (or any shape), it's highly unlikely, but it's not actually physically impossible, not only that, but if this procedure was attempted enough times, what we know of physics tells us that it would actually have to happen eventually. So, even what's most likely, isn't always what is.
 

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The truth is always simple. If a theory is too complicated and long-winded I don't buy it, and I don't really listen past the first few sentences.

Generally, no, I'm not remotely interested in conspiracy theories, because they involve a "they're out to get us" paranoia and it's just that: paranoia. Most people who are "out to get us" are not hidden away somewhere pulling strings, they're doing what they're doing in broad daylight and have little or no shame about it, and they're not even "out to get us", they're simply seeking their own interests, i.e. trying to make money off of us and our weakness: greedy capitalists, porn producers, etc.

Sometimes, though, you hear a different perspective on a known situation, and it's so simple and makes so much more sense than anything else, and maybe it even turns out to be true. I love it when that happens.
 

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I'm willing to entertain the possibility for discussion, but it really depends on the theory in and of itself.

Things like "the government staged a shooting for gun control" or "911 was an inside job" are hilarious though.

Sometimes I think people just see the increasing consequences of these issues (eg, stricter laws/reduced freedoms) and look for someone nice and convenient to blame it on.
 

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i was only bothered with 911 was an inside job and how the story of ian fleming's james bond is about hitler running from berlin :3
 

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A conspiracy theory is just a theory that a conspiracy took, or is taking place. I don't see why that has such a negative connotation. It is as though most people thought there has never been a conspiracy ever in any government. :rolleyes:


Mentlegen, Behold!


Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin


Oh, except for some reason we just call that, "History," now and deny it's relevance to this conversation. :dry:



Yes, I believe in the existence of conspiracies. You'd have to have your head stuck in the dirt not to understand that they are a part of world history, and even American history to an extent. Now whether i think the government is spying on me through my toaster with the help of alien mind control technology stolen from Switzerland bank CEOs? Ehhhhh not so much.
 

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A conspiracy theory is just a theory that a conspiracy took, or is taking place. I don't see why that has such a negative connotation. It is as though most people thought there has never been a conspiracy ever in any government. :rolleyes:
Exactly. I don't know what the point of slapping the "conspiracy theory" label on anything is. An idea either makes sense or it doesn't.
 

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This is a part of my reply from the thread "The Mystic Side of the ISTP:"

"I used to be into this Peak-Oil theory stuff that often involved conspiracies and other things. There was this one guy, Mike Ruppert, who was a former LAPD cop that I thought was pretty interesting regarding Peak Oil and various "conspiracies." He would say that the three biggest business sectors/industries on Earth are: 1) Oil and Gas, 2) Weapons, Explosives and Firearms and 3) Drugs/Narcotics. He said that these three industries often intersect with one another and are heavily involved in what goes on in the world today. One of his famous sayings was, "Until You Change the Way Money Works, You Change Nothing." He wrote a book in 2004 called Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. He also had a couple of pretty good videos on YouTube. One was "The Truth and Lies of 9/11" and another one was on the CIA and their involvement with the drugs/narcotics industry in terms of funneling cocaine into the streets of south central Los Angeles. This second video is called, I think, "Mike Ruppert CIA Drugs" or something like that."

Nowadays, I just simply get information overload from trying to read about all these kinds of things. It's just too complicated. I just tune out and don't really trust any particular viewpoint or whatever. But if there was one thing I learned about this conspiracy theory stuff, it's that you should not just blindly trust and accept what the mainstream media, the government or so-called "leaders" tell you. They lie to your face in order for you to have trust, confidence, faith, belief and hope in everything (like the economy, the system, society and such).

Maybe one of the reasons why there are conspiracy theories is because of how there are things that are deemed classified, secret and forbidden from you knowing about, especially by the defense and intelligence industries. Cold War shit. It's like how some people think they reverse engineer alien technology at Area 51 when instead what goes on there are humans/people making military defense and intelligence projects. This all leads to cover stories, hidden agendas and then an escalating upward spiral into out-of-control paranoia about everything. Not for me, that's for sure.
 

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Exactly. I don't know what the point of slapping the "conspiracy theory" label on anything is. An idea either makes sense or it doesn't.

Exactly. An ISTP should be looking at any theory for the facts, evidence, and logic supporting it (or not) rather than the label people are prone to slapping on them. That should be a strength of ours. I'm somewhat disappointed by the responses in these threads. It's okay to say, "i haven't seen a conspiracy theory that has made sense to me," but bashing all theories within a labeled trouble is very non-Ti.
 

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conspiracy that aliens are real, yes. the universe is to big to not have other life forms
conspiracy that Sasquatch is real, maybe. the majority of America is unclaimed wilderness
conspiracy that US citizens have been conditioned over time to become mindless sheep, well yes i do. because youd have to be plain stupid to think your government needs to protect you from your self

there only conspiracy theories because the majority of people refuse to beleave it.
im not saying i beleave in all conspiracies but sometimes you gotta think with logic over whats expected.
in fact saying that all conspiracies are fake and for crazy people is just plain ignorant.
 

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Lol..Someone tried to tell me recently that "Conspiracy Theorists" were, in fact, "Skeptics".. My goodness.. It was so stupid that I just had to do a YOUTUBE video about this topic..

Have a look:


And yeah, as an ENFP, they irritate me sometimes.. :tongue:
 
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