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To what extent do you drink alcohol

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I do not, and have never! (yet)? (2 years over legal age btw- not that it seems to matter much)

I'm interested to see how the community polls, and if there are any thoughts on putting oneself in an inebriated state vs. (as I see it :rolleyes:) stoically facing reality!

In high school, when all those around me started drinking, I was a stubborn hold out. In college, I was an even more stubborn hold out. To the point where I was seriously doubting if I was even properly engaging reality. Yet I was always encouraged in my abstinence whenever I saw drunk people acting like idiots, or my roommates with severe hangovers or nausea induced from drinking binges.

A significant (but not total) factor I believe to be my Christian faith... but that just sounds stupid when I know so many other people who also claim such, get totally sh!tfaced. To each their own I suppose... I just have felt that I would be not be "true to my self" if I joined their carousing. It's just not who I am.

And (as a counterpoint to the above) the other day I was talking with my INTJ friend who is a total atheist... he is younger (18) but all his peers for the last 3-4 years have been very much into the high school drinking/party scene. He tried it once, didn't like the taste (maybe another reason?) and has had no interest in getting drunk or high. Even though he frankly admits that his social life is very bland and often has nobody to hang out with. (time to find new friends I guess).

We both agreed that getting drunk is "stupid" and can see little benefit in it. I want to control my actions! Not have my drunk self out of control. That would just be irrational. And INTPs tend towards the rational. Do you agree?

So I guess my position on alcohol consumption is...

Practically: I hate getting sick/feeling bad anyway, there's no chance I want to deal with hangovers or drinking to the point of throwing up. Plus it costs a lot of money. And in the very small (table spoon amounts) I've drank, never really tasted that special.

Philosophically: Alcohol alters your state of mind, I view it as a crutch socially and it represents to me something in our society which is over the top. Even if there is the idea of drinking by yourself because of boredom, depression, etc... I want to face the music, not have some substance try and give me a "lift" from the dumps.

Spiritually: Would alcohol make me a better person? Does it promote the values which I respect and hold as admirable? From my observations in other people the negatives outweigh any superficial positives.


Note that most of the discussion does not pertain to enjoying a glass of wine with dinner or a beer after work. If that helps you unwind... cool I guess. Most of the above is viewing alcohol use in a bar/club/ party contexts where I believe it to have the widest implications. If you and your friend are getting drunk while watching baseball from the comfort of your couch, well... what's the big deal.

Obviously I can't reach very far with any judgement here because I have never myself imbibed. So tell me what I'm missing(or not).
 

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I think this attitude is pretty common among NT's, at least the ones I've spoken with. There's a strong desire to remain in control and only respond rationally. I'd argue that it's beneficial to loosen control once in a while, if only to reassure others that you're as vulnerable as they are. And occasionally experiencing reality via non-ordinary perception can really be stimulating intellectually, once you've done it. Gives you plenty of food for thought, and also allows you to better understand why others partake regularly.

Alcohol tends to fill one of three purposes: social lubricant, relaxation, or escape. If you don't go overboard, it's really pretty relaxing, so I don't think drinking, even alone, in small quantities is a negative (unwinding after work, like you said). Drinking at a social occasion where others are drinking is typically polite, though not required. In the right amount, alcohol makes other people more interesting, so someone who's imbibing often wants you to feel as comfortable with them as they are with you.

I agree that booze culture is a problem, and you don't have to like it. If the main event in your social circles is getting drunk, while you don't enjoy hanging out with them in that state, I'd suggest finding a new/alternate social circle. :) It'll probably improve as you age, as the average maturity increases and drinking as entertainment becomes less prevalent. In the meantime, try not to judge others for wanting to party - it can be fun, and leads to stories about drunk shenanigans, to be told for years to come. :p
 

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Alcohol unnerves me, for the following reasons: there runs in the paternal side of my family a history of alcoholism; and addiction to alcohol often seems to me an outlet for the disillusioned and disconsolate among us, that is, society's way of filling the holes in the hearts of the people whom it leaves empty, in order for them to go to work with an artificial smile and get on with a life with which they're at bottom dissatisfied. The same seems to me the case with many prescription drugs.

Of course, it would be naive to assume that this is how everybody uses alcohol; it's the addiction to it in particular which I'm making the object of criticism. I don't plan to ever try alcohol, nor can I really know if I won't.
 

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I think this attitude is pretty common among NT's, at least the ones I've spoken with. There's a strong desire to remain in control and only respond rationally. I'd argue that it's beneficial to loosen control once in a while, if only to reassure others that you're as vulnerable as they are. And occasionally experiencing reality via non-ordinary perception can really be stimulating intellectually, once you've done it. Gives you plenty of food for thought, and also allows you to better understand why others partake regularly.

Alcohol tends to fill one of three purposes: social lubricant, relaxation, or escape. If you don't go overboard, it's really pretty relaxing, so I don't think drinking, even alone, in small quantities is a negative (unwinding after work, like you said). Drinking at a social occasion where others are drinking is typically polite, though not required. In the right amount, alcohol makes other people more interesting, so someone who's imbibing often wants you to feel as comfortable with them as they are with you.

I agree that booze culture is a problem, and you don't have to like it. If the main event in your social circles is getting drunk, while you don't enjoy hanging out with them in that state, I'd suggest finding a new/alternate social circle. :) It'll probably improve as you age, as the average maturity increases and drinking as entertainment becomes less prevalent. In the meantime, try not to judge others for wanting to party - it can be fun, and leads to stories about drunk shenanigans, to be told for years to come. :p

That is a nicely reasoned response, thank you.

I guess another reason (but certainly not dominant) for me is I may get some haughty inner satisfaction about being a contrarian... maybe I would rather continue not drinking for simply that reason. (I hope it doesn't come off that I'm proud of myself for not drinking... that's not fair and I just don't view it that way.)


Alcohol unnerves me, for the following reasons: there runs in the paternal side of my family a history of alcoholism; and addiction to alcohol often seems to me an outlet for the disillusioned and disconsolate among us, that is, society's way of filling the holes in the hearts of the people whom it leaves empty, in order for them to go to work with an artificial smile and get on with a life with which they're at bottom dissatisfied. The same seems to me the case with many prescription drugs.

Of course, it would be naive to assume that this is how everybody uses alcohol; it's the addiction to it in particular which I'm making the object of criticism. I don't plan to ever try alcohol, nor can I really know if I won't.
Agree with you. Another reason (more in the back of my head) for me is similar- my grandfather was a raging alcoholic and that significantly impacted my dad. Knowing that there is the possibility for me genetically (as well as emotionally- if my life ever ran into a dark corner) for alcoholism I consider that another good reason never to start.
 

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That is a nicely reasoned response, thank you.

I guess another reason (but certainly not dominant) for me is I may get some haughty inner satisfaction about being a contrarian... maybe I would rather continue not drinking for simply that reason. (I hope it doesn't come off that I'm proud of myself for not drinking... that's not fair and I just don't view it that way.)




Agree with you. Another reason (more in the back of my head) for me is similar- my grandfather was a raging alcoholic and that significantly impacted my dad. Knowing that there is the possibility for me genetically (as well as emotionally- if my life ever ran into a dark corner) for alcoholism I consider that another good reason never to start.
Alcoholism runs in my family as well. My uncle decided to abstain from all alcohol for that reason, and his social life flourishes regardless. It just isn't a big deal. He provides it to guests, and has a well stocked bar at home, but doesn't ever partake. My sister decided to limit herself to one drink per occasion, just to prevent going anywhere beyond tipsy. Those are both valid strategies for coping with the fear of addiction. I just happen to throw caution to the wind!
 

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And I'm going to try to give a reasoned response to this from someone who does drink pretty heavily. Yes, alcoholism is present in every generation of the paternal side of my family bar one (skipped my grandpa somehow).

It basically boils down to three things for me:

1) As a drug, alcohol causes you to act in a way differently from you would if you were not ingesting it, like any other drug. I have a pretty exhaustive experience with anti-psychotics and know how they can affect you, for better or worse. My Si is keen for an INTP thanks to being raised as an ISTJ, so I'm pretty innately aware of how drugs affect me, even while under the influence of them. No matter how drunk I get, I know there are absolutes that you do not do when drunk (most of which involve motor skills or extreme personal interactions), and am oddly sound of mind even when blasted.
2) As someone who wants to be more outgoing and outspoken than he is... alcohol does this. And if you can both recognise the bad effects of it and minimise them, and tend to undertake more sedentary activities when drunk, the bad things are mitigated somewhat. There are things I know I can do better drunk and sober, and I'll admit this even completely sober. Some of these things are inexplicably cerebral.
3) The long term health effects. Yea, those are a thing. But, I mean, life is a terminal illness with a mortality rate of 1. And, those years at the end of your life your body isn't going to be in great shape to begin with. I'm probably going to die younger than expected, and I know this, but I'll have actually enjoyed those years. I mean, what good are an extra 20 years of life if you're suffering during them?

So, this is why I drink, from a rational perspective. It's a combination of the non-standard way alcohol effects my brain and my general attitude towards life. I can totally understand if this isn't your cup of tea, though. My cup of tea just so happens to share a name with a borough of New York.
 

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IME, INTJ has a tendency to be partial toward the greener pastures :cool::

Eh. l don't think l've had alcohol, since around last May but at this point, it's so infrequent that every time l try to remember the last time, it seems like it was nearly a year ago.

Just don't enjoy the actual experience anymore, perhaps? l'd agree that it's hardly appealing when you can basically run through the entire experience in your mind and know the outcome.

The first people l ever really got 'wasted with were mostly hardcore extrovert ''scene'' types, but l wouldn't split it totally among S/N lines, definitely some intuitives there.

This was years ago, around the time l really came out of my ''weird'' shell and made friends with randoms...it definitely serves to bring people who really have nothing in common together.

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I'm only 17 years old, so I can't drink. Even if I were old enough, I would never ever drink. I'm a Muslim. Besides, why would you want to kill your brain?
 

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I've been drunk twice in my life. Once at a Halloween party, and once at home with my roommate(I shouldn't have gotten drunk just from a few beers, but I hadn't eaten that day). I can't say that being drunk either time enhanced my experience or made me a better socialite, and the fact that I felt like a steaming pile of shit after both occasions keeps me from being tempted to get drunk again. If I'm going to a party(something that I basically never do) I'll have a couple beers and that's about it.

I basically view alcohol like all other things in life: If you enjoy it partake in moderation. This is true for anything, including food, sex, sleep, physical activities, etc. etc.. I used to enjoy smoking cannabis, so I would hang out with a couple buds once a week and smoke a joint. I didn't smoke it everyday like them, just once or twice a week.

So my suggestion would be to try it on your own. Don't get shit faced, but just try a couple things that you think you might like(I happen to love Merlot), and every once in a while have a glass. It helps to calm nerves and relax you, which is really nice sometimes.
 

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Well I have undergone this stage where only socialization beside high school was pub ... I hated it, yet I thought I would turn normal (I didnt), alcohol had no effect on my openness so I was usually just drinking, listening and thinking about the bullshit they were talking about... Well I dont know, I didnt do it for the alcohol itself as for trying to be normal...

Then at university, I have been trying to find friends in pubs, but it just doesnt work...

At my second university I joined my study group and again they held the pub meetings for one semester, I have build some connection to the people in there and when the pub meetings stopped I still was in contact with the people, but without the need of alcohol, which was fine...

I stopped drinking on 1/1/2012, after I got drunk to a terrible state, when I actually havent controlled anything, was acting really dumb and stuff, I hated this state, also I started studying and "practising" Buddhism (I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented drink that causes heedlessness.)... I havent been drinking any alcoholic beverage since then with very few exceptions. I dont miss it at all... I like it better this way. Plus the hangovers well...

I got really drunk like three times in my life, I guess it was usually a test of my limits... The first time I got totally drunk was at one girl´s birthday party, I had a crush on the other girl for quite a long time and this evening was supposed to be my revelation, but I figured out it would lead nowhere so I was drinking and drinking and the moment I got up and wanted to go to the toilet the alcohol kicked in and I got terrible totter and I almost fell down from stairs, facehugged the wall and stuff, then I had to pee on a tree because the parents of the birthday girl told me to not to risk any additional movement of mine... Well then I was getting sober at the table and it was really terrible... The other day, I had to stay at the house for some additional time (was waiting for a train) and helped the parents with cleaning up and stuff, we talked even about what happened the night before... Thanks god they were really great and nice people and not assholes...
 
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I always drink red wine for dinner and sometimes a beer at lunch. I've never been so drunk to forget things or act like an idiot, I've never understood that, when I'm drunk I'm still rational and "focused", I guess I'm more tolerant to alcohol than most people.

I have a friend that, when drunk, is very aggressive and I don't get it because I get the contrary effect, it relaxes me. There's also those who act like stupid kids, don't they have a sense of integrity? I really don't get it at all, extrovert people seem to get really weird and irrational when drunk.
 

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Paxil and beer don't mix well. Even two beers gives me a huge headache.
Once every few months I'll have more than a few beers or a bottle of wine or something but that's about it. I got through most of that after I was 22 or so.
Mostly now it's at happy hour type stuff or on dates.
 

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I like some alcoholic drinks, beer and wine mostly, never understood spirits, they taste like shit. I like beer a lot though, so I drink it sometimes. I can't answer the poll though, because my drinking habits are too varied for it.

On the whole I enjoy alcohol, it's not the greatest drug, but it's pretty good in moderate quantities. It's relaxing, and helps me socialise, which is good because I suck at socialising with people I've never met while sober.
 

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I drink lots of beer on weekends, a few times per year I'll get drunk from whiskey, but that's about it.

I do it mainly because I hang around people who get drunk every weekend, although I never go overboard with it, I like being in control of myself.
 

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I don't drink much but whenever I do I only have one or two except for once when I drunk too much, I haven't drunk any since shortly after then, I just don't see the point. If you want to take drugs then smoke cannabis, it's safe and doesn't mess you up like alcohol unless you get way too high which is rare, I've only got that high once(vision split, everything got fast and slow at the same time and I travelled through space with metal in the background while unable/unwilling to move from my bed etc.) and I've smoked a lot of pot.
 

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I always drink red wine for dinner and sometimes a beer at lunch. I've never been so drunk to forget things or act like an idiot, I've never understood that, when I'm drunk I'm still rational and "focused", I guess I'm more tolerant to alcohol than most people.

I have a friend that, when drunk, is very aggressive and I don't get it because I get the contrary effect, it relaxes me. There's also those who act like stupid kids, don't they have a sense of integrity? I really don't get it at all, extrovert people seem to get really weird and irrational when drunk.
l think it's sometimes just an excuse for people.

"Safety buzz''...free to act like an asshole or an idiot.

The studies showing the effects of placebo 'alcohol' to subjects are telling :laughing:
 
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