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My question to you would be what is your score on the I/E. I know i follow many of the traits you described, besides the zodiac.
I prefer to work when surrounded by chaos, i have discovered that this is because it keeps the part of my brain that loves day dreaming distracted. TV works as well, but when i was in college, my favorite place to do my homework was in the Student Union at the table my friends always overtook, while they played magic, talked, or worked.
Group studies are a waste of time.... what part of introverted did you not get. unless it is with very close friends who i know well nothing happens, or i just end up teaching everybody everything.
As far as the ENTJ(on average i score low 50's for introverted and identify as an ambivert), i have noticed that i do have a tendency to switch when i'm in some situations, especially when i end up in a leadership role.

Point of the story. At the end of the day i am an INTJ, i enjoy drinking my evening tea while reading about stock trading, or learning Italian because why not and I can.
 

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I don't doubt I am intj. I was once in a dillema because I thought I could also be intp, but that happened mostly because I had been mistyped when taking the test for the second or the third time (only once). Note: I was certain of my type long before I joined PerC.

I am not comfortable talking about mbti with people in real life, though, and I don't like shouting out I am intj (this is something that has been bothering me since I first came here - I am of the mind people will start assuming I will let a mbti type portraiture dictate my behaviour if I do, which is annoying to me).

I am Gemini, too. A zodiac sign which fits my personality description less than that could not exist.(x
 

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Long ago I thought I might be an ISTJ then I began to remember that the fact that I was analyzing my own thought processes in an attempt to dissect my concious was probably an N thing haha.

I do consider myself an odd duck when it comes to my type.

When I was in high school I was tested sophomore or junior year by a certified practitioner who tested our health class for a project. My spark in MBTI came when I was the only INTJ. My immediate thought was, "what separates me from the rest?"
I have always been a shade in the crowds. Never hated but never fit in. I was a ghost haha. This drove me to be insanely curious.

I began to look into MBTI theory further and further, I began studying about the types and then eventually the functions. Once I learned of repressed and inferior functions my immediate goal was to use MBTI to better myself as an individual. Noticing INTJs struggled with emotional intelligence and inferior Se I began to cultivate these.

This in return caused me to mature beyond my age when I was already mature for my age. I pushed my mental limits further and further while continuing to set higher and higher goals for myself.

For example I lost 120 pounds, got into a serious relationship and as of a few days ago I earned my MBTI certification. I was the absolute youngest person there at 21. I had a regional manager of an international HR company personally say he was impressed by my drive as he gave me his business card and told me to stay in touch.

I used MBTI to better myself, to bring myself to a new level of self awareness. To understand my natural strengths as well as my weaknesses and work to improve on them.

In my opinion this is what MBTI is about. What type you are doesn't matter in the long run. What matters is what you do with the knowledge you gain.
 

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Maybe it's because I'm a Gemini, I dunno.
My personality is very Gemini-like, that's for sure...
A Gemini INTJ...yeah, I feel that I'm both Gemini Persona and INTJ at the same time, which throws me off a lot.
Maybe I'm just confused...the Gemini part makes me appear like an ENTP.
Lot(s) of Gems. I am also a Gemini. Astrology is nonsense; however.
 

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The Zodiac part made me chuckle a little. Zodiacs can be entertaining, but I don't know if an INTJ would believe that sort of science. It's quite flimsy!
 

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I've done lots of MBTI tests and they all type me as INTJ, except for one weird one that said ENFP. :laughing:

One person on here used to say I was INFJ and I have a thought in the back of my head that I am any time I am concerned with that someone thinks of me. But people are more nuanced than just following the type stereotype all the time, so those are the exceptions rather than the rule.
 

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@Catwalk -- I can relate to a lot of what you said here.

I've scored a few different types on MBTI online "tests"...and I think a lot of it depends on how the questions are phrased, and perhaps even my mood at the time.

An associate of mine here typed me as actually ISTP™ (but considering a vast amount of INTJ™) can relate to 90% of my experiences; I doubt my [actual "true" type] has any significant relevance. Granted, the vast amount of "non-INTJ" all relating to "INTJ" experiences; seems to demonstrate the redundancy of figuring out ones ("true type"), that does not seem to expand beyond opportunistic anecdotes.

That said, I cannot consistently relate to the various INTJ™ experiences made such as the heavy emphasis and appeal to stereotypes, which seems like overkill. (e.g., "I hate people", I am "blunt without tact", utilizing logic as a defining means of 'general' character) and poor social-etiquette, as such, which denotes impoliteness and [social anxieties/ineptitude] rather than any relation to typology or being an "INTJ" itself. It only raises the question; what does it mean to be an "INTJ" .. (?) It seems the only halfway objective finger we can point is at the function dichotomies as a determinative.
I don't think type has any significant relevance, but for me, it's damn sure interesting. The stereotypes are what kill me, though...because depending on the source, I can fit the stereotypes of multiple types. If you were to take a blend of mostly INTP, INTJ, ISTP, and a sprinkle of ENTP. But behavior doesn't always explain thinking style. That's where I'm at now...

If you are an "INTJ" that enjoys social-situations (&) parties; so long as the "dichotomies" align; your hobbies, preferences, et al, are highly irrelevant.

On that cue, in any case, I can relate to the INTJ-typology descriptions (how ever contingently exhibited) and cognitive-function usage (Ni, Te, Fi, Se), (Ni, Ti, Fe, Se), etc., etc., and other various proposal "stacks" for the INTJ.
I'm still trying to figure out the functions. That's the part of the theory that seems the most convoluted.

And so, while I am likely "INTJ" on these grounds, it does not explain nor account for the fact I enjoy, and find the INTP forums (&) their topics more "stimulating" for my (Ni), than the INTJ forums; which seem to just mimic (&) routinely splurt out the same "type" stereotypes and rhetoric, with unison agreement, personal conflicts or revolve around ("figuring INTJ's out") with little variety; or distinctions in the responses. I see implicit boredom and a sufficient lack of minimal analytical topics and interesting, creative questions, [and sometimes games], proposed for the INTJ-types, which seems more persistent in the INTP/INFJ (other inituitive forums) -- for instance. I do not think this points to me being "INTP/INFJ", necessarily, but it certain raises the question as to why the INTJ section is the most ("boring") or; static sub-forums for the inituitiveness, when the epitome of the INTJ is (openness); and colorful (Ni)-fuckery. The associate of mine to which I regard with having good knowledge of typology; conflated this with my so-called ISTP-ness (need for change/flexibility).
I have spent most of my time so far in the INTP forum, but I actually do enjoy reading the INTJ forum...and somewhat the ISTP forum (as well as others). I can relate to a lot of what is being shared on each of those...but each (including INTP) has its moments of me feeling like I don't quite fit in.

(Ni)(ne)(Te)(ti)(Fi)(fe)(Se)(si). <-- Is my "function" stack; which seems to indicate a hybrid of some sort according to "MBTI/cognitive functions". But, who knows, and who cares ... (?) I prefer; and look toward socionics for more informative explanations. :numbness: Which indicates an INTJ-ILI (utilizing all 8 functions), that resonates rather well than being another type.
Again, the function stacks are still somewhat of a puzzle to me...

I do find Socionics to be interesting...though I'm not sold on the "visual" aspect. I will say that I consistently test as an INTP on MBTI, but ILI on Socionics. I also think the descriptions I've read of ILI fit me better than either INTP, INTJ, or ISTP.
 

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@Catwalk -- I can relate to a lot of what you said here.

I've scored a few different types on MBTI online "tests"...and I think a lot of it depends on how the questions are phrased, and perhaps even my mood at the time.
The question(s) are a bit strange; for example, I am unsure how questioning (X)-specimen with ::

"Do you dream about the universe; ponder the "big questions" in life, which seem rather uninformative on how these normative question(s) (&) scenario's would determine my cognitive-function usage -- then upon completion, it gives an extensive, but briefly vague ("personality type") summary that is applicable to almost anyone. Most, if not all individuals philosophize, and abstractly so, so I do not see any strong indicators in this regard as a determinative of type.

I do not believe in, however, being ("typed") online anymore than I do being diagnosed online with a mental illness; or as any objective means of evaluation for anything psychological, at that.

So that is my main objection(s) to "online tests / typology" (&) why I do not take questionnaires with any extreme accuracy beyond "matching (X to Y) cognitive-functions. I would prefer to directly engage (&) be [objectively/visually] evaluated in the 3rd person. Call it (Se), or whatever.

Further, I will not say I know my ("true type") with any absolute certainty, while I do not doubt I am INTJ-often on pragmatic grounds; I am open to the possibility I am not one, and likely ISTP, as well. There are no valid-strong ground(s) to say I am ("INTJ") anymore than ("ISTP"); so to assert there aren't any, to say, warranted grounds for doubting I am INTJ is rather defeatist, and false, at best.

I have been comfortable (&) claiming INTJ for decades; however, since early childhood [and have always been fascinated with typology], since then, so I suppose it is a place of self-knowledge and such.



I don't think type has any significant relevance, but for me, it's damn sure interesting. The stereotypes are what kill me, though...because depending on the source, I can fit the stereotypes of multiple types. If you were to take a blend of mostly INTP, INTJ, ISTP, and a sprinkle of ENTP. But behavior doesn't always explain thinking style. That's where I'm at now...
I must agree; I highly enjoy typology -- but do not fetishize it; nor extend it beyond, say, it's limits. Which seem to be information-processing. I try to keep it out of complex-affairs; (e.g., personal (&) formal conflicts). Most of the time, it is just laziness -- not typology.


I have spent most of my time so far in the INTP forum, but I actually do enjoy reading the INTJ forum...and somewhat the ISTP forum (as well as others). I can relate to a lot of what is being shared on each of those...but each (including INTP) has its moments of me feeling like I don't quite fit in.
Just reading; eh .. (?) I highly enjoy the INTP forum (&) try to stop by every now (&) then with a contribution; unless talking among themselves, to which I cannot relate strongly to some things and it seems bizarre of me to intrude, however, the topics seem much more compelling in variety than the INTJ-sub forum(s), I suppose due to (Ne); whereas here, it seems to be all of us in a ("unison") agreement to (X)-answer above; and a bit stiff in the bad ways; if you get the gist with no offense to my fellow meatsacs ..

However, I have specified an interest in liking opposing types; recently, I have been occupying the INFJ-forum (&) they are a marvelous bunch; while I do not much relate to all their discussion(s) and alternative-ways of dealing with things; I can understand the benefit (&) derive knowledge -- and better, differential way(s) to implement my (F)-function in various situations. More adaptive, I suppose. Granted, I feel more estranged with too many similarities all in agreement, something rather unsettling -- like a humanoid sitting in the same room; nodding to all your answer(s) (&) there is no discernment between our answer(s). I like (X), well all us like (X); as well.. Where is the fun there .. (?) I am also skeptical about this way in determining/learning new information as it is highly vulnerable to cognitive + confirmation biases, that just make me uneasy. There is much to learn from other types [I adore learning], indeed; (&) I feel a lack of stimulant being surrounded by INTJ mirrors, stereotypes + confirmation biases all day -- naturally; I relish in any conflict if this occur(s), for instability purposes.

On that cue; the INTP's have booted me for my (Te-J) a few times (&) being argumentative [or combative] by accident without that being my intent; I was just there for the candy ... :tickled_pink: Not dampened by this, I still continue to show again for my (Ne-Ti) treat. Love you darlings.
 

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On that cue; the INTP's have booted me for my (Te-J) a few times (&) being argumentative [or combative] by accident without that being my intent; I was just there for the candy ... :tickled_pink: Not dampened by this, I still continue to show again for my (Ne-Ti) treat. Love you darlings.
Love the rest of what you said.

On this...booted for being combative? For shame. Argumentative? Combative? That can be fun. And iron sharpens iron. Perhaps it hurt more in my younger years, but I've learned that fierce debate teaches me more about myself than my opponent.

I'm speaking for me alone, but I say, bring it. I've read a number of your posts. Me gusta.
 

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Love the rest of what you said.

On this...booted for being combative? For shame. Argumentative? Combative? That can be fun. And iron sharpens iron. Perhaps it hurt more in my younger years, but I've learned that fierce debate teaches me more about myself than my opponent.

I'm speaking for me alone, but I say, bring it. I've read a number of your posts. Me gusta.
I admire your bravery.
 

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Love the rest of what you said.

On this...booted for being combative? For shame. Argumentative? Combative? That can be fun. And iron sharpens iron. Perhaps it hurt more in my younger years, but I've learned that fierce debate teaches me more about myself than my opponent.

I'm speaking for me alone, but I say, bring it. I've read a number of your posts. Me gusta.
Something of the likes; I was not intending on being argumentative [or coming off combative] ... necessarily. Perhaps just trying grasp a better understanding or some coherent resolve; that can be a bit abrasive in it's approach, somewhat when the information is insufficient for my subjective standard(s) to what I need to be satisfied. INTP have a tendancy to be (circular) (e.g., discuss ideas for the sake of it); then leave it open. I will attempt to yank it [or the idea]. A (J)-tendency for a sense of closure/resolve.

:numbness: ... Reality of it (?) [no intentions on "arguing"], I am having a drink; relaxed (&) holding a tit.

I had a quite a few INTP buds that once understood the XNTJ-lingo [resolution/closure] needs; could understand my intent was not in ill-will. They also went around translating this knowledge to other INTP; whom were also frustrated with XNTJ's.
 

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I am, too :laughing:
Awesome. More than expected. :cooler: I am not necessarily entirely "put-off" by the Gemini description(s); until they start getting a bit flippant.. Intelligent; check. Easily bored; yep, check. "Master of many", check. Then, it appears like they "were on track"; then sabotaged it. Then suddenly, expanding into ("social-butterflies/party animals/2-faced moody, jealous") et al, and what not, to which I cannot identify. Good one, buddy.
 

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Awesome. More than expected. :cooler: I am not necessarily entirely "put-off" by the Gemini description(s); until they start getting a bit flippant.. Intelligent; check. Easily bored; yep, check. "Master of many", check. Then, it appears like they "were on track"; then sabotaged it. Then suddenly, expanding into ("social-butterflies/party animals/2-faced moody, jealous") et al, and what not, to which I cannot identify. Good one, buddy.
Precisely. "You got me, then you lost me"

And then to cap it all off I was born in the year of the Monkey, which starts to make things amusing at this point.

Many things are entertaining at the superficial level - I do find it comical when coincidences like this start to trip my INTJ "connection present" alarm and I have to remind myself that it is just a novelty. False positive. Disregard.
 

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Awesome. More than expected. :cooler: I am not necessarily entirely "put-off" by the Gemini description(s); until they start getting a bit flippant.. Intelligent; check. Easily bored; yep, check. "Master of many", check. Then, it appears like they "were on track"; then sabotaged it. Then suddenly, expanding into ("social-butterflies/party animals/2-faced moody, jealous") et al, and what not, to which I cannot identify. Good one, buddy.
I'm a Cancer, so I also have a weird relation to astrology. Some of the descriptions are on point...but there's this emphasis on being emotional and sensitive that really just does not fit at all. Not that I'm unemotional or insensitive. But those are definitely not thinking traits (which I am certainly more comfortable with). I fit the sort of "gentle" and "kind" characteristics...and I'm sentimental (to a point) and family-oriented...to a point (in fact, my family knows I love them, but some would consider me a little distant)...but the emotional part always makes me laugh. It just plain doesn't fit. I'm analytical AF. And no, I don't have Aspergers. It's just any kind of emotional understanding is my weak point.
 

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Just passing by this forum to ask a question and saw your post. You strike me as an INFJ. When you say you're very Gemini - do you mean that you're very duplicitous? Or, maybe a better word would be dual? If so, that fits INFJ far better than it fits INTJ, too. I know a lot about astrology, but I don't believe in it. Like you, I had some friends growing up that got into that and I picked up on it.

There was one interesting argument about it that I saw once. Someone speculated that, proportionally, the planets are closer to one another than the particles (electrons) that spin around the nucleus of an atom. And if those particles are so powerful that it makes the difference between one element and the other, then surely the planets must have some sort of force on human nature. The problem with this analogy is that planets don't spin around humans; they spin around the sun! heh.
 

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There are definitely moments in which I think I'm an ISTJ or INFJ than an INTJ. That being said, I do see the MBTI as more of a guideline than a strict definition of one's personality. Everybody is unique to some level and not all INTJs are going to be exactly the same in terms of attitude. Of course, we may be similar in terms of our decision-making processes, but other facets of our personality are going to be different.
 
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