[Oldlady]

I find that whenever I'm in situations where certain behaviors are strictly off limits, I have an enormous urge to act in that "inappropriate" way.

For instance:

Someone in my english class asks, "In our essay, should we use "black" or "african-american""? The entire class (all white kids and asians) heads into panic and conflict. In the back of the room is the one black girl, and she's not saying anything at all. I find this utterly ridiculous, and although I know that it is "wrong" (socially uncomfortable for others) to discuss racial issues head on, I have this urge to say:

This is ridiculous!
Why are you so concerned with terminology? Political correctness.
Why do you want to be politically correct? To avoid offending anyone.
Who is it that you specifically don't want to offend? Black people.
Guess what, the only person who you are not getting any input from is a black person. Shouldn't it be HER decision? She knows what is offensive to her!

It's not just the insanity, but it's the fact that I'm NOT ALLOWED to say it that makes me want to say it! If it's not controversial I don't care. I wouldn't fight for "it's wrong to be racist" (even though I agree that it is) because everyone already knows that. I would, however, fight against people who claim to be color blind (whites and blacks were separated for 400 years - they just came back together within the past 50. There are going to be some obvious cultural differences). When someone is deeply religious I have the urge to point out flaws in their religion (Catholicism? What kind of religion is that? You can do whatever the hell you want so long as you tell god you're sorry?! Maybe that's why all those catholic priests raped little boys. All they had to do was apologize to god and they got off scott free! Isn't "catholic guilt" really an oxymoron? How do you know god even forgave you? You just assume that because you told the truth he'll forgive you? A person could be a serial killer and so long as they admitted it they're going to heaven? BULLSH*T!) If a person is not religious, I don't care.

I find that this makes me very unpopular, despite what it says on the internet about ENTPs being very charming and charismatic. I just... have this URGE... to disagree!:crazy:

 

[snail]

I get those urges, too, and I'm not even an ENTP.

 

[Marino]

I like you. roud:

 

[Ninja]

Maybe we should say "wrong" things more often, so that they will be right. Expect to tire quickly around alot of people.

 

[LeelooDallas]

although I know that it is "wrong" (socially uncomfortable for others) to discuss racial issues head on, I have this urge to say:

why is it wrong?

anyway, to answer the question.No I don't really get the urge to do it for the sake of doing, it just seems to happen naturally for me. Most social conventions are ridiculous to me so I never really bothered to learn them as a result I'm usually saying something that's borderline offensive to some segment of the population I'm with.

As for being popular AND challenging, it's not so much what you say as how it's said. No one likes a blow hard know it all.Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you are right. There are MANY truths. One of the best part of being an ENTP for me is that I think we have easier access to the TRUTH, not because we are smarter or wiser, but because it's easiest for us to see the validity and invalidity of all sides of a topic simultaneously. I've definitely been accused of disagreeing just to disagree as well as being contradictory, and that's right to a certain degree.

I thinking the long run, people either love us or hate us but they definitely don't forget us.

 

[Oldlady]

I put "wrong" in quotes in order to emphasize the point that confronting racial issues is not wrong, but can elicit a response (looks of disgust, "You're a racist!" regardless of what you say) that implies that you are.

Perhaps its my own personal experience as an ENTP (just saying the truth and being punished for "trying to cause trouble") that has turned me into a coward afraid to speak my mind. It's true that lately I have become more I out of isolation. Perhaps these urges are my natural need to be E, yet I suppress them for safety and regret it later.

An E (urge to share opinion) trying to be I (quiet and reserved).

 

[hughnibley]

I feel intense urges to do things like that. I had them even at a very young age, just because I thought people's actions were ridiculous.

It has gotten worse, not better, as I've aged, but I've found more constructive ways to channel it, so my experiences tend to be more positive.

 

[LeelooDallas]

I put "wrong" in quotes in order to emphasize the point that confronting racial issues is not wrong, but can elicit a response (looks of disgust, "You're a racist!" regardless of what you say) that implies that you are.

Perhaps its my own personal experience as an ENTP (just saying the truth and being punished for "trying to cause trouble") that has turned me into a coward afraid to speak my mind. It's true that lately I have become more I out of isolation. Perhaps these urges are my natural need to be E, yet I suppress them for safety and regret it later.

An E (urge to share opinion) trying to be I (quiet and reserved).

Ok I get ya.

I say F*** 'em... Say what you have to say and don't worry about whether or not people like you.I know you're at that age where most people wnat the social acceptance of their peers, but it's been my experience that people who are overly concerned with how they are received are most likely to have no one like them

 

[PersonaNonGrata]

i only know these racial issues out of television, but i tend to say many wrong things actually wrong. when i went to school i played the devils advocate all the time, no matter what i really thought. it's a certain kind of dialectic that i think only ENTPs can offer to the world around them. although, most times it's funny so people might not take me serious. yes, it might make me less popular, but the satisfaction of being right even though i'm wrong is often worth it. by the way, you hardly make friend with policical controversy and big talk but by action, when people think you care about "them" they rarely care how much you care about the rest of the world.

 

[reptilian]

I find that whenever I'm in situations where certain behaviors are strictly off limits, I have an enormous urge to act in that "inappropriate" way.

For instance:

Someone in my english class asks, "In our essay, should we use "black" or "african-american""? The entire class (all white kids and asians) heads into panic and conflict. In the back of the room is the one black girl, and she's not saying anything at all. I find this utterly ridiculous, and although I know that it is "wrong" (socially uncomfortable for others) to discuss racial issues head on, I have this urge to say:

This is ridiculous!
Why are you so concerned with terminology? Political correctness.
Why do you want to be politically correct? To avoid offending anyone.
Who is it that you specifically don't want to offend? Black people.
Guess what, the only person who you are not getting any input from is a black person. Shouldn't it be HER decision? She knows what is offensive to her!

It's not just the insanity, but it's the fact that I'm NOT ALLOWED to say it that makes me want to say it! If it's not controversial I don't care. I wouldn't fight for "it's wrong to be racist" (even though I agree that it is) because everyone already knows that. I would, however, fight against people who claim to be color blind (whites and blacks were separated for 400 years - they just came back together within the past 50. There are going to be some obvious cultural differences). When someone is deeply religious I have the urge to point out flaws in their religion (Catholicism? What kind of religion is that? You can do whatever the hell you want so long as you tell god you're sorry?! Maybe that's why all those catholic priests raped little boys. All they had to do was apologize to god and they got off scott free! Isn't "catholic guilt" really an oxymoron? How do you know god even forgave you? You just assume that because you told the truth he'll forgive you? A person could be a serial killer and so long as they admitted it they're going to heaven? BULLSH*T!) If a person is not religious, I don't care.

I find that this makes me very unpopular, despite what it says on the internet about ENTPs being very charming and charismatic. I just... have this URGE... to disagree!:crazy:

YES!

 

 

[Old Intern]

The reason I'm here sometimes. . . . . I get to say the "wrong thing" without any real world consequences. In real life we have to be more careful. It's the Ti/Fe battle - we KNOW what is expected in a situation, but we don't feel warm and fuzzy about saying the group rewarded thing (like we might if we are Fe dom). So Ti is screaming (if only in my head) "WTF is wrong with you that you don't admit the emperor is naked!?".

@LeelooDallas I know what you are saying about seeing all sides to an issue but when you show the dissenting view, while you may be flexible,and open, most others in the group are married to what ever original position they took - even when if becomes logically indefensible. Sometimes I have to just let it go from the beginning. I get tired of doing that though. Any techniques about the way to say things?

 

[mcsnurp]

Yes, I get the strong urge especially in social situations with a lot of Fe around, or among very conventional people, and especially when someone states that something is "impossible".
Like "Oh, I just SOO want to travel the world, but I can never do that, poor me". Then I start arguing why this person could not travel the world, picking all the arguments to pieces, proving that the only reason that he/she does not do this is because he/she does not really want to.
And then I often feel the urge to question any angle that comes up in a discussion. Makes people think that I like to quarrel, which I do not. I guess that is the ENTP curse..