Do you guys like IQ tests?

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darkjoe

Discussion Starter · Nov 5, 2017 (Edited)

Mensa IQ Test

I know I do, doing some Te related activity energises me

Also I know you are all competitive, so more reason to beat that

Still though I'm beyond hopeless when it comes to seeing the big picture. It's tragic

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andy969

· #41 · Nov 7, 2017

I did one once and was told that I did rather good, but wasn't told the score and did not ask either.

But I do not like them - not as a tool to measure intelligence.

One simple reason is that time tends to be a factor. I am usually finding a solution to every problem, but I also tend to need my time. Now the problem that I have with time being a factor in such tests, is that being faster/slower is more often than not pure luck. If you go a wrong route first, you will take more time. And since humans are not computers, retry time is a factor. Example: If the solution can be only be found by going from left to right and one (by pure coincidence!) starts by going from top to bottom, you'll get a worse score. That's what I call bullshit.

I suck at mental arithmetic, but I can train this before such a test and become really much faster. But I cannot train/improve my luck in regard to going the correct route, the designer of the puzzle had in mind when creating the puzzle, first.

But even if time wasn't a factor, I'm not sure how useful these tests really are.

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Red Panda

· #42 · Nov 7, 2017

oh dog, this was a nightmare
I did it twice
first time I skipped the instructions impulsively, then I realized halfway that I should read the patterns horizontally instead of vertically as I did, and also ran out of time. I scored 108
I decided to try again correctly and so I did, finished with 1 minute left and got 120
it was painful you guys, my brain was screaming at me random words and images to stop focusing on the stupid test thing, phalaenopsis orchidee phalaenopsis orchidee phalaenopsis orchidee phalaenopsis orchidee I should have bought these damn orchids my mother wanted

is pattern recognition the only aspect of IQ tests? I remember doing other stuff in school, like language and number stuff. Seems rather limited if it's only that.

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jtour

· #43 · Nov 7, 2017 (Edited)

Red Panda said:
then I realized halfway that I should read the patterns horizontally instead of vertically as I did

Oh. I think I have to go put my head in a bucket of ice water, for like an hour.

Well, FWIW, the easier ones seem to work just fine reading vertically.

I think I'll have to .... never mind....ice water....where was that thread about stupid again?

Well, maybe after a few days of penitent expiation, I can post my score like the cool kids.

Thanks, though -- I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere, but I don't often bother reading instructions.

ETA, oh, @Red Panda yeah, there's supposedly two components to IQ, it's on wikipedia or a textbook someplace, I can't remember.

EETA and I get the double bonus stupid, because two days ago I was actually working out of some Raven's books. They didn't have instructions, but honestly, I should have figured out something was up. Maybe stupid CAN be fixed.

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Red Panda

· #44 · Nov 7, 2017

jtour said:
Oh. I think I have to go put my head in a bucket of ice water, for like an hour.

Well, FWIW, the easier ones seem to work just fine reading vertically.

I think I'll have to .... never mind....ice water....where was that thread about stupid again?

Well, maybe after a few days of penitent exculpation I can post my score like the cool kids.

Thanks, though -- I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere, but I don't often bother reading instructions.

ETA, oh, @Red Panda yeah, there's supposedly two components to IQ, it's on wikipedia or a textbook someplace, I can't remember.

haha :laughing: yes the first few ones worked this way too which is why I thought I have to stick to it, I stared the screen for a few seconds trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do :laughing: had completely, entirely forgotten there were instructions initially

PiT

· #45 · Nov 7, 2017

Red Panda said:
is pattern recognition the only aspect of IQ tests? I remember doing other stuff in school, like language and number stuff. Seems rather limited if it's only that.

There are many aspects of IQ. As I described in another thread, IQ is based on the theory of "g factor", or "general intelligence". It is not immediately obvious why such a thing should exist, except that research was done on aptitude in a variety of academic areas and it was revealed that every single pair of fields had positively correlated results, i.e. that success in one field predicted a greater likelihood of success in any other one.

Based on this, you can also use numbers or language to approximate general intelligence. This (and especially the latter option) is generally discouraged however, since it gets into confounding factors of crystalized intelligence and culturebound usage. Pattern recognition is favored on the grounds that it minimizes these confounding factors, but IQ can in principle be tested off of any cognitive task.

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Steelight

· #46 · Nov 7, 2017

I love IQ tests but I've never taken a "legit" one that you pay for, only the free online ones. I've always scored between 120-130, and about 75% of the time it's somewhere between 125-128. I've always considered myself to be dumber than the average INTJ, despite the ridiculous amount of time I spend thinking about...everything. But I still consider myself smarter, or at least wiser, than the vast majority of the population. (Arrogant, I know).

In my experience, there are different fields of intelligence. The IQ test is basically just a general way to show one's ability to learn, measured by their ability to recognize patterns. But I've seen "mental retards" who can memorize complex piano sequences just by hearing a song or tune played a single time. I would be hard-pressed to call him unintelligent.

Just food for thought. BTW, 149 is rather impressive.

Fchicken77

· #47 · Nov 8, 2017

jtour said:
Are you sure? The parents of my ex-whatever (8-year-cohabitating-thing) were both 160 people, and I got to know each of them pretty well, but at least my ex-whatever's father admitted to having lifelong self-doubts and insecurities (he earned a Ph.D. Chemistry, M.D., specialist in Anesthesiology when he was young).

I mean, all joking about my "65" IQ, I know for fact my abstract and visual reasoning takes more work for me than it does for other people, from my studies -- have you "hit the wall" for yourself yet?

Why not? You're probably quite able, but maybe you haven't tested yourself in real-world applications or disciplines to trust the numbers.

You're probably right.
Though the world's highest IQ average per country is 108(Hong Kong and Singapore), however, that might include people without sufficient education. My brother got around 110-120 on an actual IQ test, but it ended up being a scam because it didn't include any Mathematics. I think it might be possible for me to get 130-140 on an IQ test because I'm good at recognizing patterns and inductive/deductive reasoning(I was educated earlier than most people of my level). I also ace all the science assessments(they were actually pretty easy, to be honest).

Turi

· #48 · Nov 8, 2017 (Edited)

darkjoe said:
what's ur score on this?

https://iqhaven.com/mytests1/numerics-a/index.htm

Got 155 on it

Why so low?
This one was easier than the last one.

Pattern recognition god over here.

Isn't it a little sad that I score so well on these kinds of tests, yet struggle to maintain stable employment.
I truly believe I'll be fired very soon, this week maybe - the patterns are emerging, and there's nothing I can do to prevent it.

Already started applying elsewhere.
Just found it interesting that I can perfect a numeracy IQ test, with little to no math skills (I went full Ni on the whole thing, took like 2 hours, maths stresses me out).. yet can fail so hard at life in general.

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jtour

· #49 · Nov 8, 2017

Fchicken77 said:
You're probably right.
Though the world's highest IQ average per country is 108(Hong Kong and Singapore), however, that might include people without sufficient education. My brother got around 110-120 on an actual IQ test, but it ended up being a scam because it didn't include any Mathematics. I think it might be possible for me to get 130-140 on an IQ test because I'm good at recognizing patterns and inductive/deductive reasoning(I was educated earlier than most people of my level). I also ace all the science assessments(they were actually pretty easy, to be honest).

Thanks for the perspective. I'm a little confused about the mathematics part: as you know, formalisms in math are very much learned behavior (even though the notation is, these days, I believe pretty standard world-wide). You know how they say, "when you're starting in math, you use numbers, and as you do more, you end up using the alphabet" (or something like that)?

I would think the idea psychologists came up with for various Gf measurements were designed to abstract away specific details like that, but I'm not at all sure.

I don't know -- it seems like you've put a lot of thought into it, certainly more than I have, so I can only wish you the best of luck in your efforts, and thanks for putting your experiences into words. Sounds corny, but it's true.

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Red Panda

· #50 · Nov 8, 2017

I gave it to my INTP boyfriend and INTJ friend and they both scored 130. Now I wonder just how smart someone who's above them is because to me they seem pretty freaking smart. :laughing:

darkjoe

Discussion Starter · #51 · Nov 8, 2017

Turi said:
Why so low?
This one was easier than the last one.

Pattern recognition god over here.

Isn't it a little sad that I score so well on these kinds of tests, yet struggle to maintain stable employment.
I truly believe I'll be fired very soon, this week maybe - the patterns are emerging, and there's nothing I can do to prevent it.

Already started applying elsewhere.
Just found it interesting that I can perfect a numeracy IQ test, with little to no math skills (I went full Ni on the whole thing, took like 2 hours, maths stresses me out).. yet can fail so hard at life in general.

Story of my life

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PiT

· #52 · Nov 8, 2017

Turi said:
Why so low?
This one was easier than the last one.

Pattern recognition god over here.

Isn't it a little sad that I score so well on these kinds of tests, yet struggle to maintain stable employment.
I truly believe I'll be fired very soon, this week maybe - the patterns are emerging, and there's nothing I can do to prevent it.

Already started applying elsewhere.
Just found it interesting that I can perfect a numeracy IQ test, with little to no math skills (I went full Ni on the whole thing, took like 2 hours, maths stresses me out).. yet can fail so hard at life in general.

The practical applications of IQ mostly matter in terms of hitting scholastic goals, i.e. if your IQ is too low then you probably can't graduate from college. If your IQ is high enough that you can in principle achieve a certain level of academic success, then other factors become more accurate predictors of success in life, such as creativity, rearing, and social acumen.

Just look at the case of Chris Langan; he has a phenomenally high IQ in the area of 200, but due to a lack of experience with navigating those realms he dropped out of college and ended up working in construction.

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jtour

· #53 · Nov 9, 2017

PiT said:
Just look at the case of Chris Langan; he has a phenomenally high IQ in the area of 200, but due to a lack of experience with navigating those realms he dropped out of college and ended up working in construction.

Never heard of him before: nice Wikipedia page on him. Kind of a good reason to tell the kids to stay in school. I mean, he's no Ted Kaczynski, in terms of accomplishments, but I think it would be very gracious of him to share some of his solution to P=NP problem before his number's up.

Ohndot

· #54 · Nov 9, 2017

125 for the pattern matching.

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Took this with Star Trek reruns blasting on the TV, meowing cat, and DH shoulder surfing while trying to pretend he's not. So all in all, not bad. Taking different online IQ tests was more interesting when I was in a more formative stage of life. Oddly enough, couldn't care less about the number now. This was a fun test though, no words!

Catwalk said:
...playing on a great Linux OS [with sufficiently great privacy concern(s) being addressed] & a smooth-running mean PC machine powering it.

...I am listening to marvelous Techno, as well.

Well... those obviously count for an additional 10 pts at least!

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darkjoe

Discussion Starter · #55 · Nov 16, 2017 (Edited)

Do you guys like long walks, overcast and rainy days too?

0bl1gatory

· #56 · Nov 17, 2017

i got 121

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IdarG

· #57 · Dec 30, 2017

What none apparently understands is that you can practice IQ tests. Your results are not correct if you've taken several IQ tests again and again. This is the reason I never trust anyone who claim to have an IQ score online.

jtour

· #58 · Dec 31, 2017

IdarG said:
What none apparently understands is that you can practice IQ tests. Your results are not correct if you've taken several IQ tests again and again. This is the reason I never trust anyone who claim to have an IQ score online.

Well, that's the good thing about them.

It's like Aristotle in de anima, praxis, where the subject and the goal are the same.

You can always do better. Or, sometimes worse or the same.

And, if not, you can understand the test better, and work a different Raven's.

the_cheshire_cat

· #59 · Dec 31, 2017

no

jtour

· #60 · Dec 31, 2017

I say you turn that IQ test "yes."

Also, people are idiots.

:smile:

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