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Whether or not you're a Highly Sensitive Person, as we INTJs can be, do you engage your senses? That's a rhetorical question, of course we do. What I mean is, what are some of your favorite ways of doing it? Do simple sensory pleasures evoke huge dopamine spikes? One of my favorite simple pleasures is the scent of fresh garden vegetables. Or maybe food in general. I always deeply inhale a meal before I taste anything, that way it activates the sensory parts of my brain which makes everything taste better.

Do your Fi and Se work together? Do they go haywire? Do you get manic or giddy when it happens? If so, isn't it fun? How does this make you feel?
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I also find insects beautiful and it hurts me when people kill them for no reason.

How does this make you feel?
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Or this one?
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As a kid in the '80s, I kept a Cecropia caterpillar as a pet til it became a beautiful moth. And before you even ask, yes, Mothra has always been my favorite kaiju from the Godzilla mythos.
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One time, when I was in college in the late '90s, there were two Cecropia caterpillars and we took some pictures of them, but then somebody squashed one of the caterpillars for no reason and I reacted with fury and disgust. I had a similar reaction about 10 years ago when I was working in a mattress factory and a co-worker smashed an adorable planthopper for no reason. Why do people feel such a thanatotic drive to destroy beautiful things?
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Sorry for the tangential thinking. I might have had too much coffee.
 

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Whether or not you're a Highly Sensitive Person, as we INTJs can be, do you engage your senses? That's a rhetorical question, of course we do. What I mean is, what are some of your favorite ways of doing it? Do simple sensory pleasures evoke huge dopamine spikes?

Too rarely.


Do your Fi and Se work together?
Sometimes.

Do they go haywire?
Sometimes.

Do you get manic or giddy when it happens?
Sometimes.

If so, isn't it fun?
Absolutely.
 

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How about hugging dogs and scarfing down tiramisu?
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Other than visuals & orgasms (??) I do not enjoy sensory overload(s).

Not at all.

I highly dislike ASMR, as well for this reasoning. All of it sound(s) like nails on chalkboards. All of it.
 

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There are certain musical chords that my brain just goes "ohhh yessss" to. I bask in the moment, maybe rewind it a few times to hear it again, close my eyes. It's very calming, I'm all about calming music, I feel like I'm floating. It's pretty great.
 

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I'm a highly sensitive person. I have a heightened sense of smell, and my sense of hearing is higher than normal and so i dont enjoy engaging in sensory activities. I love eating but it made me fat so now I'm controlling myself. As for the smell, i love smelling soaps. Not girly soaps with lots of perfume. Just the right smell of soap (can't describe it). I hate putting on perfumes especially perfumes for women because it makes my head ache. Cigarette smell also triggers my migraine.

Fi and se? Well I'm not intj but maybe sometimes.


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For me it seems like a switch between Ni and Se. When I'm in Ni/Te mode, Se stuff seems like a distraction (which I largely block out, consciously anyway), I don't notice things outside of my intense focus and pressing things like loud noises or people interrupting are really annoying, painful even. I generally don't like loud sounds/bright lights and my skin/soles/'fingerprints' are extremely sensitive. Touching things can be sensory overload. TV typically annoys me quickly.

Then I'll have these Se moments where I might let my hands linger longer in the running water after washing them, enjoying the feel of the water and the smell of the soap I like. When I get in bed I seem to get a heightened joy from the cool sheets/soft blanket etc. I value beauty. I like all the usual stuff like good art/music, watching a storm outside while by a crackling fireplace, smelling an orange before eating it -- high quality/beautiful things/experiences generally.

The key to how much I enjoy sensory stuff is whether I'm in Ni/Te 'work mode' or relaxing in Fi/Se. For me Fi does seem linked to Se more often than not. I'm not just admiring the beauty of a sunset or the night sky, for example, I'm feeling things like a sense of connection to nature and serenity/awe. The best I can describe this is I can deliberately 'let go' (of Te it seems) and then Fi is felt in that feeling sense. In a way, I live for these Fi/Se moments -- they are that pleasurable/satisfying to me.

I am able to experience Se without Fi (more a Te/Se thing). If there is an emergency I get very serious, very calm, very 'do this now, then that'. Zero feels (I'll have an anxiety attack later when safe). Occasionally I get bored in the sense that there isn't enough physical action going on and I want more, something crazy like five things going on at once and I handle them all. I like dancing, watching action movies, doing 'adrenaline' stuff occasionally :)

So I seem to have a love/hate thing with sensory stuff. Sometimes a little is painful, sometimes some is lovely, sometimes the ability to process it quickly feels like a tool, sometimes a tsunami of it makes me buzzed, happily. It really depends on my focus. The accompanying (enjoyable) Fi feeling aspect depends on whether I've 'let go' (which I tend to only do when it's time to relax. Although I do have the ability to let go/relax/feel in an 'emergency'/intense context, I just tend not to do it unless I've decided no action is possible -- might as well enjoy the free fall...)
 

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Now you sound like my INTJ-friend who loves cakes. :laughing:
Seriously, I could eat half of this in one sitting.
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I first experienced the rapturous delight of tiramisu on Disney's "The Big Red Boat" back in 1993. If I recall, I think that was also the year that my middle school class went on a field trip to The Art Institute of Chicago. We also ate at The Berghoff. I had a swordfish sandwich and a genuine-article gourmet-quality cappuccino, my first experience with either of those. In more recent years, in fact just a couple years ago, I had pretzel-crusted walleye with mustard sauce and capers at The Boathouse in the town of Winona Lake which is nestled within Warsaw, Indiana (named after Warsaw, Poland). It's another one of those unforgettable meals that ingrained such a memory in my mindbrain that I can still recall it at will in deliriously delicious detail, so naturally I regard it as a succulent standard-setter.
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Former stipulations on Fi and Se are hereby rescinded. All are welcome to describe their adventures in the realm of heightened sensation, whether or not you're clinically defined as a "Highly Sensitive Person" and regardless of MBTI type, etc.
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For my fellow Hellsing fans, I'll phrase it like this: "Releasing control art restriction systems until the target has been devoured." That's assuming we're talking about food, but you probably figured that out.
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Enjoy:

- Riding out the burn after biting into roasted jalapenos
- Electronic music with headphones
- Exercise

Disorienting:

- Abrupt loud noises
- Too much fast traffic zipping around
- 'Big' sights, landscapes. Standing at the edge of the Grand Canyon caused a touch of vertigo.
 

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'Big' sights, landscapes. Standing at the edge of the Grand Canyon caused a touch of vertigo.
I can't even handle roller coasters.
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Do you find yourself drawn to certain scents and flavors that are associated with the current season? It's like Seasonal Affective Disorder in reverse (or the "manic" version of it).
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Fall-style beef stew.
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And for dessert.
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Let's rewind back to summer for a moment because I'm still craving tomatoes and something about that scent is ingrained into my memory. If I need some sensory bliss, I can just recall the memory of that scent and then I'll get hungry for fresh tomatoes (maybe with sea salt). I love it when tomatoes glisten with dew in the sum-sum-summertime.
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Look at the beautiful pattern of these!
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Here's that glisteny glowey look I was trying to to convey.
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The colors and patterns make me feel all giddy with glee. The flavors and scents even moreso.
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Enjoy:

- Riding out the burn after biting into roasted jalapenos
- Electronic music with headphones
- Exercise

Disorienting:

- Abrupt loud noises
- Too much fast traffic zipping around
- 'Big' sights, landscapes. Standing at the edge of the Grand Canyon caused a touch of vertigo.
Haha, I just recently started doing this, electronic music with headphones, I think the machinery sounds speaks to my robotic nature, but sometimes I zone out and the music has been over for a while so I'm just sitting there with headphones with no music on like a fool!
 

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Bach, Contrapunctus IV, *Art of Fugue*
Joe Henderson's solo on "Idle Moments"
Playing some New Orleans groove in a strange (for that kind of music) sharp key and being able to have it sound as good as in Bb or Eb.
Ladies coming out of hibernation in the spring in their sundresses.
Some good trees on a good 20-mile walk and not seeing or hearing anyone's derpy dog or spotting a single automobile.
Delivering an excellent crude, hurtful comment to an offending stranger.

Some of those are Fi+Se working in harmony: playing or performing music, enjoying some nice sights unperturbed.
Some are just plain Fi raw dopamine surge, or a majority-Se feeling (the latter not very common, because it seems dead without some awareness). Passively listening to music on an instrument I don't play, winning some trivial little contest. Maybe eating something kind of tasty, washed down with as much as I care to drink. Having "relations" with a woman. Smoking tobacco out of my pipe because I feel like it, not because I'm compelled to.

I'll add as some others have things that either make me go apeshit or are at least extremely offensive to me -- pretty much pure Se, and not the good kind:
Any automobilist who, through ineptness or malice, disrupts my correct use of the street as a pedestrian. Fortunately, these defectives can be discouraged through assertive body language, with the implied threat they will be harmed severely if they interfere any further.

Sound of any dog barking, children playing. Not joking. I like kids and animals just fine, and they like me -- I just don't care to see or hear them at any time when they're not either related to me or in their little cages.

Any civilian -- cop or otherwise -- who complains about my tobacco pipe smoke when I am in a correct position to smoke. Doubly so if the first and last sentences out of their mouths aren't an apology for interrupting me.

All except the second have easy, satisfying remedies and retaliations, when needed. It helps, I'm sure, that I'm 6'3", not too overweight, white, and a man who never does anything in public without being correctly dressed and groomed, and with a physical set of practices that I've calculated command a relaxed, imperious authority. Also, that I never get angry, just as vicious and cruel as I think can get the most satisfying results. An angry person has lost any argument, and has only exposed another vector for attack, if I feel like pursuing it.
 

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I'm a weird one. I have OCD, anxiety, and I might be a HSP. Maybe other shit as well, I am not sure. Whatever I do have, they connect and influence each other so I'm not always concrete on what all causes what and to what extent my Fi and Se influences them.

I can be overwelmed by scents, some textures, some sights due to unevenness, and even words/phrases. Some of it connects with OCD and causes me to do compulsions in response. Perfume, cologne, deodorant, coffee, alcohol, just about any strong smell I have an aversion to is stressful. I've also developed an intense discomfort with a particular rythme in music and I can't stand the sound of certain words, sudden loud noises, and everyday sounds like yawning and any kind of smacking or slurping of food. (It's gotten so bad I can't be with anyone when they eat regardless of whether they're necessarily "smacking" or not.) Sounds and scents are my major stressors.

But in terms of pleasurable experiences?
I love some types of new car smells and fresh rubber. (I go to the tire section at the store, stick my head into one of the giant tires and take a big fucking inhale. It's heavenly; It's my crack and I am not ashamed.) I also really really love the look of well proportioned, badass, animalistic drawings and pictures. Normally of carnivorous animals and deadly mystical creatures. I don't know why but perfectly shaped teeth, claws, and other designs are just so pleasing to look at no matter how minor they may seem to others.
Cats are a big one. I love their form, their piercing eyes, their sly movements....untill they take a dump in the litterbox and hack up a hairball on your floor.

Here's some examples I like. Especially the dragon one, holy shit it's gorgeous. (First time uploading pictures so I may or may not have uploaded them right. I hope I did.)
 

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Hummingbird moths!
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