INFp in socionics is referred to the functions of INFJ in MBTI. That is why people believe there is a conversion. This is not the type description but the Ni description as the first function of socionics INFp. All the blocks are separately discussed.
It is a type description of the INFp type, because it does not really delve much into the actual functional properties of the type. It's describing behavior and outwards manifestation of how the type may look like, which is a type description.
" they are describing some kind of fantasy-prone daydreamer kind of person" that is the exact problem ! Which could both apply to MBTI INFP and INFJ, actually -more- INFP Ne if you ask me.
Except that has nothing to do with Fi and Ne as cognitive functions.
"a rich inner world", which are just empty buzzwords - and this.
Again, has nothing to do with type.
But these are exactly what leads to wrong conclusions, exactly. You want to just go with functions but there is the typing part also right? What I am saying is it just does not work. And all you are telling me is that I should go with functions and disregard every typing, quadra, whatever it comes in socionics. It just does not work for me when I read about interactions with other quadras or types when I go with my functions. That is where it fails dramatically.
You are being very erroneous in your comparison, because you cannot on the one hand compare type descriptions and then say but this description sounds like an INFP and this description here sounds exactly the same except it's an INFp so therefore they must be different types while at the same time declaring that the INFp description is focused on Ni and Fe but the INFP description
does not. If you are going to compare types, you need to compare it at the same structural level, in this case the cognitive makeup of how they are defined. So what you should really be looking at is does an INFP whose type is made up of Fi and Ne, structurally speaking, actually correlate to the INFp whose functional makeup is Ni and Fe? And the answer to this question is in my opinion a resounding no, because if you actually study what Fi really
is, even when you pair it with Ne/intuition, it becomes very clear that Fi is very different from Ni. What has Fi got anything to do with being dreamy? Not much, to be honest. When you focus on behavioral traits and outwards manifestations of a type, you lose sight of its actual functional dimension because if you start extrapolating on the idea on that all people who experience themselves as dreamy etc. must be INFPs and INFps, you open up to the room of severe mistyping since dreamy is not a quality that is explicit or unique to the INFp or INFP. It's faulty type logic.
So we are not really discussing the function and role of Ni in the psyche, but I am saying the categorizing of socionics fails. Exactly, you see how they customized Ni for a type.
I see stereotyping, not customization.
That is why it does not work. They are boiling types together. Actually notice how it clearly describes an INFP?
No, I don't. I don't see them describing Fi and Ne here.
Like, have you ever met an outspoken rebellious INFJ?
I don't see how rebelliousness and outspokenness got anything to do with INFJ, but if we are going by type logic, then yes, an INFJ, who values Ni and Se, is going to be more outspoken, rebellious and aggressive than an INFP because Se is much more physically forceful in the present moment than Si is.
And they use keywords like - idealist - for INFp (MBTI INFj) and - empath- for INFj (MBTI INFP). It is the exact opposite. There are so many keywords and key "famous" people they keep referring to, but in opposite.
Why go off keywords instead of actually going off, you know, the actual structural dimension of what makes the type?
So following the functions of MBTI INFP I should be INFj in socionics, but I am not and I assure you I am not mistyping myself, I am very comfortable with my typing as I had no doubts, I never had any results to raise doubts.
I think you are mistyped lol, because you are ignoring the fact that an INFP in the MBTI is Fi and Ne, and where in your cognition have you expressed that you identify with Fi and Ne or is cognitively oriented towards Fi and Ne? In fact, I wonder if you are an IEI too, because your Ti is so bad.
Socionics INFp however fits me perfectly, my quadra and my inter-type relations are clearly defined. But then I would have to discard all the psyche and that is the problematic part cause it doesn't make sense.
What things don't make sense?
and follow that link please there are a bunch of theories supporting the conversion and a bunch that is counter. There is even an experiment, which sounds problematic also, but suggests that conversion works only for a slighter majority. So you can see that INFPs and INFJs are lumped together in typing part. Some INFPs become INFjs and some become INFps.
Not really, no. I don't buy into this type logic. You cannot work with functions in one system and ignoring the functions in another and then go on and declare that base on that logic, of course the types are different, when you aren't even making the comparison fair in the first place.