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Trump is a caricature of the entrepeneur

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ESTP: Intelligent, energetic, and very perceptive people who truly enjoy living on the edge


ENTJ: Bold, imaginative and strong willed leader, always finding a way or making one.


It's like two overlapping spectrums. But seriously, how an ENTJ could catch a guy in a TVShow with a vision of the presidency ... Some will say it was calculated to seduce an electorate through a physical game. But even here, it's still a mark of the ESTP. For a part of the population, Trump seems scary in all his choices. At first, people said he was going to start a war, other than he was incompetent ...

No, just ESTP. It's normal that you sweat a little, since he improvises a lot.
I'm not objective about this but it seems to me this guy is tops at perception and very low if any in external imagination, ESTP = Se Ti Fe Ni if you follow Myers-Briggs.

As for ESTJ = Te Si Ne Fi, his feelings are all about others, no Si (as mentioned), his intuition is internal and poor, he doesn't show Te. It's Ti and it doesn't show to us.

I'm guessing at this. As an INTP = Ti Ne Si Fe myself, I'm going on the Ne and Fe I see.



His testament will be... A wall... So intuitive... Any intuive would inscribe on an external strategy rather than a simple physical solution. Trump comes back again and again with a wall. This is his vision. (Ni) (this will obviously be a wall system and not a wall).

He is a great improviser. This is why he is constantly criticizing. To speak before thinking. He see his country as clan to protect and he is a showmen.

Always ESTP.
Is that his psyche? A wall? Not only a physical wall, but a wall where one is either on his side (implied good for the moment) or the other side (implied bad for the moment). He visits both sides or refuses to. This is right out there for us to see, but less so with Ti.

Today he popped in at the United Nations and let us know China deserves criticism. This in the middle of trying trade talks. He's right up front with that. Call it Se with Ti behind it. Do you agree or maybe disagree?
 
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Is that his psyche? A wall? Not only a physical wall, but a wall where one is either on his side (implied good for the moment) or the other side (implied bad for the moment). He visits both sides or refuses to. This is right out there for us to see, but less so with Ti.

Today he popped in at the United Nations and let us know China deserves criticism. This in the middle of trying trade talks. He's right up front with that. Call it Se with Ti behind it. Do you agree or maybe disagree?
Just a wall. One day a nationalist ESTP told me. I have no value. Because values can be shared. While a people, a land, no.

Yes, Trump looking always for a fight. Like all ESTPs. He's old, so he's using words now.
 

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Because his thinking appears very Te-based most of the time. Mexicans are coming in, build a wall! Some illegal immigrants are already in? Let's deport them. Small villages are out of jobs, bring them back. He constantly touts the final ''results'' The economy is back up, my meeting with such and such was a great success etc. He's a very take charge, nip it in the bud type of guy which is very Te-Dom. Ti would see the many layers and complexities behind those issues.

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Also, people need to stop assuming that just because you have N in your four letter code that you're automatically a genius. Yet in his case, he's clearly mentally ill, so you can actually blame it on that and keep the title of ''Intuitive'' all shiny and pristine because he doesn't count.
I just have to make a note when I looked it up: ISTJ = Te Si Ne Fi because you've said a lot of things.

My immediate reaction when you said his thinking is Te-based is to wonder. You could be seeing Te because YOU specialize in Te. Build a wall because Mexicans coming in could be Te if it were thinking, but it is? My reaction is it's like it's an immediacy ... no thinking. It's a weak Ni intuition. Not thought out at all. Blast the solution with Se immediacy.

But for me to be onto anything, if it's not Te where would the Ti be? Where would be the many layers and complexities you mention? I don't know the answer because I can't see it. I can only guess the Ti would be unseen and devoted to, how can he possibly carry out his demanding requirements? That is the tough part. I'm not versed in that part of Donald Trump. He'd have to think about this and that and the other to get people to do his bidding. It would be an Fe-Ti kind of thing. (He is good at going after people.) Although Ti is something I like to do, I can't place myself in Trump's shoes. I can only guess.) What do you think?
 

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The way he handles controversy to me is very Te to me. ''Never happened'' ''Fake news!'' and then blaming other people. I've worked for several Te dom bosses and they are notorious for not acknowledging their mistakes. Ti users are more shrewd then that. They can counter-argue effectively, manipulate, find loopholes to save their butts etc. Especially ESTPs, they are the ultimate real time adaptive people who have this ridiculous ability to squeeze through corners. Worse yet, they tend to get off on that. They love to be challenged because it's stimulating to them both physically (in real time) and mentally. Te Doms HATE that. You challenge them, they will evade, blame or tell you to STFU (Like Trump) because they know they don't have actual concrete arguments to back them up, so you need to be silenced and not dig any deeper.

Then there's Ni. I know every MBTI enthusiast loves to see Ni as this God-like mystical function, but in reality Ni is just a regular function with its strengths and weaknesses. In Trump's case, I think his Ni blinds him to every day details and facts. Hence why he doesn't realize he contradicts himself daily and that the average person following his coverage can call bull on just about everything he says and does because they paid close attention to him. His Ni seems to work in blowing off things in real time and assuming the pieces will fall in place later on, which to be fair, seems to often be the case for him.
 

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If it's demonstrate that an information is false, no discussion is necessary. Ideally the author should be punished according to his degree of consciousness. So the question is to know if there is doubt about this information. If there is any doubt, (Ti) gets to work, otherwise it's a waste of time.

But... You forget that the work of his staff is to avoid him to fall into the trap of controversy. There are many TJ who work for him who will quickly put the real facts for the world. He is the president, so he is above that. Ideally a president is (Te). So Trump follows the advice to satisfy his entourage (Fe). Except for the waaaaaaallll. To much S for this

Again, listen to a real ENTJ ... And stop knitting with the facts. You do not realize how much the idea of a wall is vulgar for an ENTJ. Not useless, vulgar.
 

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This reply is another interpretation. See what you think.

The way he handles controversy to me is very Te to me. ''Never happened'' ''Fake news!'' and then blaming other people. I've worked for several Te dom bosses and they are notorious for not acknowledging their mistakes. Ti users are more shrewd then that. They can counter-argue effectively, manipulate, find loopholes to save their butts etc.
I find it hard to believe Trump really believes in ''Never happened'' ''Fake news!'' After all he knows all about those two things because he loves to do that himself. I can't call it Te because I see him doing it for pure effect. It's Se. It's for effect, not external thinking.



Especially ESTPs, they are the ultimate real time adaptive people who have this ridiculous ability to squeeze through corners. Worse yet, they tend to get off on that. They love to be challenged because it's stimulating to them both physically (in real time) and mentally. Te Doms HATE that. You challenge them, they will evade, blame or tell you to STFU (Like Trump) because they know they don't have actual concrete arguments to back them up, so you need to be silenced and not dig any deeper.
I'll try for ESTP = Se Ti Fe Ni as an explanation for Donald Trump. He enjoys Se. Throwing things and people around, right now in the immediacy. He is thinking (Ti goes right into that). To do that, he's smart. He used Ti thinking which we don't see because he's so busy faking news. As you say he loves the challenge.

Fe? That's his base and anyone who admires his b.s. or maybe it's not b.s. and he really likes his spontaneous actions. It's right for him. If he puts thinking into it, he does well in manipulation but not so well in following the rules. We could rack that up to Ni which because of his political and worldly inexperience is not so good.



Then there's Ni. I know every MBTI enthusiast loves to see Ni as this God-like mystical function, but in reality Ni is just a regular function with its strengths and weaknesses. In Trump's case, I think his Ni blinds him to every day details and facts. Hence why he doesn't realize he contradicts himself daily and that the average person following his coverage can call bull on just about everything he says and does because they paid close attention to him. His Ni seems to work in blowing off things in real time and assuming the pieces will fall in place later on, which to be fair, seems to often be the case for him.
Right. Look at his withholding of funds to Ukraine and saying nothing was wrong. That's Ni gone wrong because he is not versed in the law which says it was wrong. (We'll see what the politicians have to say about this in, I assume, a few weeks.
 

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ESTP 8w7 sx/sp

Says and does whatever in the moment, feeds off crowd reactions, tendency to improvise, poor grasp on both the “big picture” and the consequences of the things he says, hence how he often contradicts himself or tells blatant lies; takes frequent vacations, and relies on staff to do most of the bureaucratic work for him.

His public tantrums, insecurities (e.g. his inauguration), gauche attempts at establishing “dominance” over other people, and openly-reactive sensitivity to public criticism all point to low Fe specifically. At the same time he seems to love the drama of it all as he tosses out his zingers left and right. And I’ve never gotten a sense that he ever genuinely believes what he says as much as he’s picked out a demographic and knows how to work it.

That his Ni is clearly unhealthy points to it being inferior.
 

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He’s an INFJ acting like an ESTP trying to emulate an ENTJ ideal!

Now everything should make sense!
 

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ESTP 8w7 sx/sp

Says and does whatever in the moment, feeds off crowd reactions, tendency to improvise, poor grasp on both the “big picture” and the consequences of the things he says, hence how he often contradicts himself or tells blatant lies; takes frequent vacations, and relies on staff to do most of the bureaucratic work for him.
Why sx/sp rather than sx/so? I just don't get sp for him at all, as he seems contraflow af. What sp user would say people should inject themselves with disinfectant, and still refuse to wear a mask during a pandemic even though people around him in official settings have tested positive for Covid? There was also that one time he stared at the sun during an Eclipse, literally risking going blind when his wife had on eye protection from the start next to him.

Prior him running, everyone also thought he has soc, and it's only now everyone sees sx. Everything just points to sx/so with him and it's surprising there isn't much discussion on that. All arguments I've seen about his IV are vs for so/sp vs sx/sp.
 

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The way he handles controversy to me is very Te to me. ''Never happened'' ''Fake news!'' and then blaming other people. I've worked for several Te dom bosses and they are notorious for not acknowledging their mistakes. Ti users are more shrewd then that. They can counter-argue effectively, manipulate, find loopholes to save their butts etc. Especially ESTPs, they are the ultimate real time adaptive people who have this ridiculous ability to squeeze through corners. Worse yet, they tend to get off on that. They love to be challenged because it's stimulating to them both physically (in real time) and mentally. Te Doms HATE that. You challenge them, they will evade, blame or tell you to STFU (Like Trump) because they know they don't have actual concrete arguments to back them up, so you need to be silenced and not dig any deeper.

Then there's Ni. I know every MBTI enthusiast loves to see Ni as this God-like mystical function, but in reality Ni is just a regular function with its strengths and weaknesses. In Trump's case, I think his Ni blinds him to every day details and facts. Hence why he doesn't realize he contradicts himself daily and that the average person following his coverage can call bull on just about everything he says and does because they paid close attention to him. His Ni seems to work in blowing off things in real time and assuming the pieces will fall in place later on, which to be fair, seems to often be the case for him.
CS is on your side. He says he is an ENTJ. Weirdly, I always saw him as an ESTP despite being one. BTW your take on ESTP is 100%. I actually love being challenged and come up with a quick response.
 

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I am surprised so many people are debating this. I always saw him as an ESTP, but as president he seems ENTJ. That is just what politicians do they put on an act all of them. Honestly though there are traits I see with him over the last couple of years that show more ESTP. If you watch his speeches he tends to go off script all the time based on something in front of him or a certain story he wants to tell to give examples of his view on the mainstream media. I honestly don’t know how I ever saw Te in him. His way of thinking is logical but seems very internal with him having internal systems not controlling or focusing on evidence as much. I honestly think that is why he his controversial is because he tends to have logical beliefs based on his own principles versus someone like Hillary who obviously was more controlling and collective in logic.

Also it seems obvious to me that he is Fe not Fi. Nothing he does or says shows any kind of Fi especially in his past. You can even tell that most of his emotional views have changed over the years and continue to change.

And while he has Ni I think it’s safe to say that is certainly a weakness compared to the other functions. He can use it though don’t get me wrong and I think age plays a role in that because people tend to get better at using their functions the older they get. He has a go with the flow style when it comes to the real world and on screen, but his goals seem constant and large and while he has done some things he said he would I think it’s safe to say the vision is not even close to what he thought it would be or at least what he told us.

That is just what I think on it, and I am trying to be completely objective here so if you disagree please disagree with the logic of it not the answer because of some personal experience or biased you have that makes you think he is either godly or an imbecile.
 

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Donald Trump is an ESTP and here is how that can be broken down:

Dominant Se

The strength and weakness of Donald Trump is just how impulsive he is, and how quick he is to jump head first into action without giving any consideration of how that will negatively impact the working systems around him. He doesn't see the world in terms of pros-and-cons and methodologies (Te), but rather he sees the world based on how he can take advantage of the moment and the opportunities that present themselves to him, and how they make sense to him only (Ti). One of the hallmarks of Donald Trump, why people either love or hate him, is that he acts first (Se) and then worries about the long-term consequences afterwards (Inferior Ni).

His reference point to sensation is objective and extroverted, as he prefers acting in the moment rather than subjective impressions of sensation.

Auxiliary Ti

Donald Trump doesn't adhere to methodologies (Te), as I had mentioned above, nor is he concerned with having a long-term strategy (Ni), but rather he simply just does what he thinks makes the most sense to him (Ti) in the moment (Se). One of the staples of Trump, and again what makes people both love and hate him, is that he doesn't adhere to objective rationality (Te), but rather he's stubborn on holding onto his own internal framework of what he thinks is logical (Ti). One of the first complaints that people in the White House had of Trump, is that he avoids being informed with hard data and facts, but instead he just completely wings things (Se/Ti) according to what he thinks is accurate and makes the most sense to himself.

His reference point to thinking is subjective and introverted, he prefers his own frameworks rather than external methods that work.

Tertiary Fe

Trump doesn't have an individual nature about him and he couldn't obtain one if he tried (Fe), because everything that he does is pointed towards his relations to others instead of the self. When he does something wrong, then it's the fault of everybody else. He spends a lot of his time on Twitter and social networking in general making note of peoples "bad behaviors", how the collective of x people can't be trusted, and how everyone has relation to him to some degree, whether they think he's "great" or they're "bad people" for not thinking he's so great. ESTPs have this sales pitch persona about them, where they adhere to the external feelings of others to either get them to tag along with them to reach what the ESTP is selling to the outside world in that moment (Se/Fe), or it's used to turn the collective against others.

His reference point to feelings is external, as he makes note more of what others are doing in relation to himself rather than his own internal relation of self.

Inferior Ni

Donald Trump, once again, just acts in the moment and how he thinks that makes the most sense (Se/Ti), but he often struggles to understand how his actions, what he says, and how he's approaching things have long-term consequences for himself (Inferior Ni). He struggles to see the bigger picture of how his impulsivity and quick acting nature actually leads to prolonged problems, which then he blames other people and takes a defense stance of, "It's not my fault, how could I have known?!" Even when it comes to his presidency and everything he has done, none of that has happened personally from Trump as a result of having a long-time strategy (Ni), and employing rational methodologies (Te).

His reference point to intuition is internal, however its the weakest part of his personality and it shows.

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Enneagram: Likely an 836 or 837 So/Sp.
 
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