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These are some practical tools I've used in my own life to determine if someone is an N or S. I had many of these people take the mbti test afterwards to check my accuracy. This is quite accurate, although not being a T, I didn't bother to find out the exact accuracy :p I just cared that it works lol

The Quick Test:
When you meet someone new, ask them how their week went. When they are done talking, ask them specific details about it. Note whether they are excited to share SENSING details such as who was wearing what, colors, sights, sounds, who said what, who did what, etc. Then, when you are done, turn the topic to something abstract. I go to Christian groups so I often mention some truth in the Bible or something about life. A question is best. Note their excitement and willingness to talk about the subject, as well as any obvious introspection that they must have done on their own time.

Note: Sensing types can talk about intuitive topics and Intuitives can talk about sensing topics, but the willingness and ease of which they talk about each is the key to finding out whether they are an S or N. Take into account any education they may have on the subject, as this can help Ss talk with more ease about N topics. You must also factor in Ns who grew up around many sensors, or young Ns who have not fully developed their Intuition, who will tend to talk about sensing topics much more frequently.

1-2 Hour Test:

If you have a chance to sit down for an hour or two and have a discussion with the person you are most likely gonna figure out by the end whether they are S or N. I have yet to meet an S that can talk about abstract concepts for that length of time. They can do it for about 30 mins or so, but they WILL get frustrated and bored if it continues on past that. You WILL even likely scare them off :p My N friends and I have literally talked for 4-5 hours straight about purely abstract concepts and ideas, and enjoyed every minute of it. And then called each other up later that week for another long talk :p Ns want to analyze, analyze, analyze. Watch for that, it's a key sign.

On the other hand, S's can talk for hours on end about the latest movies, trends, music, etc. and not get bored. Note: Ns can talk about things they are interested in for hours, but S's will talk about what is HAPPENING, whether it is their particular interest or not. Try talking like this for more than a few mins to an N and they will try profusely to change the subject to something they consider "meaningful", which doesn't have to be something deep with all Ns, just something conceptual or analytical :p If that doesn't work they will suddenly remember they had to run an errand and excuse themselves from the conversation.

How to spot an NF and an NT:
During your long talks, an NF is going to want to analyze feelings. They will tend towards playing the role of psychologist. They will get into why someone is feeling what they are feeling and HOW that person can be helped or encouraged. Abstract concepts are important only as related to people and they will quickly bring the conversation back to the goal: helping people and often helping them emotionally or attending to their emotions. If they really like you and trust you, they will share of THEMSELVES with you. To an NF that means their dreams, fears, values, feelings, hopes. This is a HIGH honor, don't take it lightly. It is how NFs bond and if they are sharing these things with you, that is exactly what they are trying to do, form a deep bond with you.

NTs care just as deeply about people and the world, but are not as good at interpreting their own emotions or the emotions of others. Because they do care, they are likely to want to "solve the problem" itself and use their understanding of concepts to help them do that. Making someone feel good emotionally does not solve the problem in their eyes. They actually want to HELP people, not just make them feel good. If you share with them a problem at work, they are likely to find the flaw in the system of administration, not a better attitude that you could have to deal with the situation (which is what an NF would tell you). During your long discussions with them they will talk about systems and not always bring it back to the people involved. They enjoy talking about how things work, or don't work properly, and how they can be improved.

Both types enjoy analyzing, analyzing, analyzing and can have some awesome discussions and learn a lot from each other. The NF helps the NT be more aware of emotional problems, so they can factor that into their plans to better the world. And the NT makes the NF aware of the faulty systems at work so that they can see past their emotions to a better long-term solution.

SJs and SPs:
This is a bit trickier for me, since I'm an NF myslef :p Still, it can be done. Best way to tell an SJ from an SP is not to talk with them, but to WATCH them. SJs and SPs are the busy bees. They don't sit down for very long lol

SJs will likely be taking care of someone or meeting some need. They will do this in a structured way, even on their time off. They are the people at the meeting who come in and set up early, making sure everything runs smoothly. Things running smoothly is key here. They care about everything being done in a presentable, acceptable way with every issue and person being taken care of and all needs attended to. Their world feels out of control when something is left undone, or someone is left unhelped

SPs are more carefree. They will be busy but in a different way. They want to be in on the action. They'll be the ones test driving the set-up that the SJs put together. Taking care of people in a structured way is not as important to them. You will see them interacting with people, helping in their own way, but a bit of chaos is exciting to them and they will not rush in to solve the problem. If they are more introverted they won't necessarily see it as exciting, but they will NOT feel it is their personal responsibility to make sure things run smoothly and will likely keep to themselves.

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Hope this info is helpful to you. In my own life I've used these methods to quickly spot compatible types. I now have several VERY CLOSE NF friends that I can connect with on a deep and meaningful level. The kind of friends I've wanted my whole life but didn't know how to meet or where to find them. I've also been able to connect with all the different types in a meaningful way that they appreciate. Which means my likeability has gone up LOL and I am making many friends. It's great to be able to quickly tell someone's type, speak their language and get to know them. It makes for a great first impression and opportunity to have many good friendships.
 

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I have yet to meet an S that can talk about abstract concepts for that length of time. They can do it for about 30 mins or so, but they WILL get frustrated and bored if it continues on past that.
I'm an N and likely to leave the conversation after 30 minutes too (short attention span + introversion).

Also, I know some extroverted Ns who will talk to me about absolutely nothing for hours. They just keep talking and talking even though they aren't saying anything particularly meaningful. You'd probably think they're sensors.
 

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Sounds like those Ns are either young or immature :p I know some young Ns as well as some immature old ones that talk like this too.

You sound like you have a concentration problem or something. I know VERY extreme introverts that have no problem having long convos. They are actually the ones I have the longest talks with LOL
 

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I know some extroverted Ns who will talk to me about absolutely nothing for hours. They just keep talking and talking even though they aren't saying anything particularly meaningful. You'd probably think they're sensors.
So true. My best friend is an ENFP and for the longest time I was convinced she was an S. Made me feel kinda sheepish when I figured out she was an N.
 

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^The "gushy" talking quality is VERY common in young or immature ENFPs who have not developed their intuition.
 

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From an S point of view, I agree. I cannot talk about a theory if I don't have at least one practical example on which to base it. After I get a clear example, we can discuss it from every possible point of view, but without it, I'll feel like floating in the air without anything firm to grasp.
 

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Would an N have an easier time figuring out if people are either sensing or intuition? My friend (who happens to be an N) says that people who are N's have an easier time figuring out if people are S's or N's. I know this to be true for the two of us. I cannot identify if people have an N or S, but she is an ace at it. Do you also find this to be true?

I figured this was the best place to ask this question. Fairly new here so maybe its not? Haha, but hopefully you can answer this for me.
 

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During your long talks, an NF is going to want to analyze feelings. They will tend towards playing the role of psychologist. They will get into why someone is feeling what they are feeling and HOW that person can be helped or encouraged. Abstract concepts are important only as related to people and they will quickly bring the conversation back to the goal: helping people and often helping them emotionally or attending to their emotions. If they really like you and trust you, they will share of THEMSELVES with you. To an NF that means their dreams, fears, values, feelings, hopes. This is a HIGH honor, don't take it lightly. It is how NFs bond and if they are sharing these things with you, that is exactly what they are trying to do, form a deep bond with you.
Woah. So that one INFP...

...!...

...but then...

...it no makey sense! Why...

...?...

...!?!...

...Well... ah, yes...

.../headdesk

^=Total N moment
 

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Would an N have an easier time figuring out if people are either sensing or intuition? My friend (who happens to be an N) says that people who are N's have an easier time figuring out if people are S's or N's. I know this to be true for the two of us. I cannot identify if people have an N or S, but she is an ace at it. Do you also find this to be true?

I figured this was the best place to ask this question. Fairly new here so maybe its not? Haha, but hopefully you can answer this for me.
S's don't tend to spend time analyzing. I think that's their main problem in learning to tell the types apart. I think they can learn if they are willing! It may not come as easy though. Ns do this kind of thing ALL THE TIME, so we get good at it lol
 

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S's don't tend to spend time analyzing. I think that's their main problem in learning to tell the types apart. I think they can learn if they are willing! It may not come as easy though. Ns do this kind of thing ALL THE TIME, so we get good at it lol

I am quite skilled at typecasting too, in the regaurds of the "Two Kinds of People" theroy. Its comforting to know that I'm not the only one who partakes in such an activity on a regular basis.

Yes, the sensors may notice the gun or the shovel, but it takes an iNtuition to realize the state that one is "armed".

Clint Eastwood is always right, and the cognative funciton systems should be seriously considered as there are only two kinds of people.

On a non-sarcastic note: As an Ni, I still have trouble typecasting people outside my immidiate envornment. For example; a suprise ENTJ, well, suprised me. I have also mis-typed a few others as well.

I think Ne's can naturally do this, and us Ni's look at a diffrent level alltogether. I am not implying superiority, only the fact that there is an indisputable diffrence between a core type that we share on a diffrent basis.
 

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First off, I would like to apologize for double posting.
How to spot an NF and an NT:
During your long talks, an NF is going to want to analyze feelings. They will tend towards playing the role of psychologist. They will get into why someone is feeling what they are feeling and HOW that person can be helped or encouraged. Abstract concepts are important only as related to people and they will quickly bring the conversation back to the goal: helping people and often helping them emotionally or attending to their emotions. If they really like you and trust you, they will share of THEMSELVES with you. To an NF that means their dreams, fears, values, feelings, hopes. This is a HIGH honor, don't take it lightly. It is how NFs bond and if they are sharing these things with you, that is exactly what they are trying to do, form a deep bond with you.

NTs care just as deeply about people and the world, but are not as good at interpreting their own emotions or the emotions of others. Because they do care, they are likely to want to "solve the problem" itself and use their understanding of concepts to help them do that. Making someone feel good emotionally does not solve the problem in their eyes. They actually want to HELP people, not just make them feel good. If you share with them a problem at work, they are likely to find the flaw in the system of administration, not a better attitude that you could have to deal with the situation (which is what an NF would tell you). During your long discussions with them they will talk about systems and not always bring it back to the people involved. They enjoy talking about how things work, or don't work properly, and how they can be improved.

Both types enjoy analyzing, analyzing, analyzing and can have some awesome discussions and learn a lot from each other. The NF helps the NT be more aware of emotional problems, so they can factor that into their plans to better the world. And the NT makes the NF aware of the faulty systems at work so that they can see past their emotions to a better long-term solution.
For your description of an NT, and a commercial I saw again this morning:


My NF friends sometimes remind me about this commercial since I'm so interested in this whole typing... "stuff", and the fact that I will be joining the military soon.

On a serious note: You are correct.

Yes, I am an ENTJ. I've now read PT, Keirsey, and a ton of online material to determine this.

I am not your sterotypical ENTJ. I have a very well developed Fi (or ethos in my mind). I do what's right. However, my daily life consists of a very well developed Te, and I know I am not an ESTJ because of my childlike Se and my developed introverting intuitive sense. I also recognize that; in order to get anything done, people have to be genuinely motivated. Do not confuse this with Fe: I'm terrible at seeing how you feel about things, but I sure as hell know when you are motivated to do something.

I want to help people. You are right, I don't care about your mood or emotions as much as your condition and your future consequences for actions you partook in or are partaking in now.

Alllll-rightythen... good morning.
 

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Create a couple of stereotypes and then throw people in them regardless of how they proceed in solving problems with their mental faculties.
 

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These are some practical tools I've used in my own life to determine if someone is an N or S. I had many of these people take the mbti test afterwards to check my accuracy. This is quite accurate, although not being a T, I didn't bother to find out the exact accuracy :p I just cared that it works lol
Unfortunately, I find your proposition superficial. Not that it has no merit, but it lacks meaningful depth to me. A difference between inductive and deductive reasoning I guess.

The N/S breakdown merely differentiates the focus of Abstract vs Concrete, but not that of the Current vs Removed. Ne users and Se users will be operating much more in the "Here and now" compared to Ni users and Si users who's thoughts can seem removed from the conversation.

It seems that you value NF's and NT's, but do not quite understand SJ's and SP's. I would suggest getting to understand them a little bit better. Truly find out what motivates them, not what you think motivates them. Find their focus and you will find them.
 

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Just writing that bit on the NFs would have earned my 'thanks'.

<- Lurks NFs almost constantly...
 

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SJs and SPs:
This is a bit trickier for me, since I'm an NF myslef :p Still, it can be done. Best way to tell an SJ from an SP is not to talk with them, but to WATCH them. SJs and SPs are the busy bees. They don't sit down for very long lol

"SPs are more carefree. They will be busy but in a different way. They want to be in on the action. They'll be the ones test driving the set-up that the SJs put together. Taking care of people in a structured way is not as important to them. You will see them interacting with people, helping in their own way, but a bit of chaos is exciting to them and they will not rush in to solve the problem. If they are more introverted they won't necessarily see it as exciting, but they will NOT feel it is their personal responsibility to make sure things run smoothly and will likely keep to themselves."
What?????? I don't agree with this.

I'm honestly not even going to read the other part of that post, too inaccurate for me. Half of what I read was just stereotypes that I've already been reading the past year on perc.com anyways.
 

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I don't think the descriptions of Sensors is accurate at all. I'm a sensor and I've always been interested in "deep" abstract topics. I have a friend who's an ENFP and we can talk for hours about people, why they act in certain ways, the world and what we think about it etc.

I also have a friend who's an ISTP and we usually talk about those topics as well. Although, this does work better if we're in a quiet place, just me and her. If we're in a busy place with lots of people (and people I know), I'll probably want to talk to them and indulge in whatever's going on.

The only difference between me and my NF friend is that she's spent the majority of her life thinking about these issues whereas I've gone through my life, focusing on what's present and what I can see and thus only talk about abstract issues when I'm facing them.
 

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I just ask people what do they tend to spend time thinking about...

I asked this question to my INTP brother and ESTJ mother the other night.

ESTJ mother said she thinks about cleaning, organizing her house, how to remove the stress by getting everything in order.

INTP brother babbled about the future. I can't remember what else he said. I started to get distracted halfway through his explanation. It was something about the future, though. Possibilities.

He said he was afraid to ask what I think about. I told him I think about everything. Literally. Nonstop. He politely asked me not to share the details of an example. I laughed. He is a smart kid.

I asked my mom if our conversation was annoying her, she apologized for tuning us out.

Oh, family.
 
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