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@Turi thankfully we have DaveSuperPowers to save us with the Nerd, Hippie, Reporter, and Popular quadras, right?
Already covered how they're stressed as something to not rely in or depend on too seriously etc etc and you know it.

 




Don't pretend the idea of IIEE and EEII doesn't make sense to you, and that you don't find strictly adhering to the Grant stack some serious booooolllssshhheeeeeettttt.
 

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Socionics is bullshit because like using the Harold Grant stack, it lacks the other half of possibilities re: functions preferences.

This is why people are like am I this, am I that, can't find my type bla bla bla because their 'type' doesn't exist in these archaic systems.

I would recommend forgetting about trying to match things up because it doesn't work.

If you're an EII in Socionics, then this is INFj in Socionics.
This doesn't translate into anything of use in MBTI or anything re: cognitive functions because the definitions are all different and it definitely doesn't help nail your true type in any system due to the limitations of Socionics.

Who says you can't prefer Fi-Ni.
Why does it have to be Ne as your N preference if you're a dominant Fi type?
Only reason is because nobody researched shit and people just make it up as they go trying to force this IEIE or EII idea onto everybody.
Socionics and MBTI are the same system. The Grant stack and Model A are different perspectives of the same function order. The differences in how the functions are defined are inconsequential. If you can't see this then I'm sorry, but you're not Ni-dom.

You simply cannot have Fi-Ni as your preferred function order because it's unnatural. The closest thing to it is a looping ISFP. For an introvert, the functions must go IEIE, just as a human being must be born with two arms and two legs to be considered functional. That's just how it works.
 

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Don't pretend the idea of IIEE and EEII doesn't make sense to you, and that you don't find strictly adhering to the Grant stack some serious booooolllssshhheeeeeettttt.
I don't have to like Harold Grant stacks, just because I don't like the way DSP does things. His ball-and-stick models still lack half of the 8 functions, while Socionics doesn't.

And even IIEE and EEII are very limited. I just think that if you are to create a single pattern to model Jung's types, that's how it has to be done.
 

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Socionics and MBTI are the same system. The Grant stack and Model A are different perspectives of the same function order. The differences in how the functions are defined are inconsequential. If you can't see this then I'm sorry, but you're not Ni-dom.

You simply cannot have Fi-Ni as your preferred function order because it's unnatural. The closest thing to it is a looping ISFP. For an introvert, the functions must go IEIE, just as a human being must be born with two arms and two legs to be considered functional. That's just how it works.
I do wonder how an IIEE is supposed to function in the world prior to the development of the tertiary function, which usually comes in the mid-20s. Of course the underdeveloped functions still exist, but it seems like someone who is not healthily processing any kind of external input would be a total mess of a human being.
 

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I do wonder how an IIEE is supposed to function in the world prior to the development of the tertiary function, which usually comes in the mid-20s. Of course the underdeveloped functions still exist, but it seems like someone who is not healthily processing any kind of external input would be a total mess of a human being.
I know for sure this ain't the case for many INFJs, and deduce that other types are prone to using their tertiary "full-time" for whatever reason earlier than aux. In INFJs, it's the Ti tert that acts like a shield or a numbing/cool self-protection mechanism, especially when younger. I had to use mine because of hypersensitivity etc., and only got to appreciate and express and trust my Fe in my 20s.
 

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I know for sure this ain't the case for many INFJs, and deduce that other types are prone to using their tertiary "full-time" for whatever reason earlier than aux. In INFJs, it's the Ti tert that acts like a shield or a numbing/cool self-protection mechanism, especially when younger. I had to use mine because of hypersensitivity etc., and only got to appreciate and express and trust my Fe in my 20s.
That is an interesting perspective. Myself, I had little experience with Fi until I was 18, at which point it descended upon me and I had little control over it for a long time, almost like a mental puberty. In many ways I was at my mental peak at about 16, since I was much more objective then than I am today and was able to propound ideas without endlessly second guessing myself. I am sure much of that is romanticizing the past, however.
 

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EII is Ethical Intuitive Introvert so is called INFP in Myers Briggs. EII is called INFj in Socionics because the dominant function of introverted feeling is a judging function rather than a perceiving function.
 

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I'm an INFP in MBTI and recently took the socionics test on got EII and INFj. So I would say so. When I read the description, my heart became warm with joy, it was so accurate and I felt very understood. Maybe even more so than MBTI.
 

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Can someone elaborate more on what model A means? And is ESI ISFP or ISFJ? I want to understand but I’m so confused because of all the different opinions. Based on what I’ve read ISFj seems like ISFJ going by dichotomies, but I’m not sure what model A means and whether it should be ISFP or not.
 

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Can someone elaborate more on what model A means? And is ESI ISFP or ISFJ? I want to understand but I’m so confused because of all the different opinions. Based on what I’ve read ISFj seems like ISFJ going by dichotomies, but I’m not sure what model A means and whether it should be ISFP or not.
Using functions, ESI is ISFP and not ISFJ. ESI is FiSe, like ISFP. I'm not sure what Model A means.
 

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Using functions, ESI is ISFP and not ISFJ. ESI is FiSe, like ISFP. I'm not sure what Model A means.
Lol I think you may want to read about what Model A is. It helps, also reading about Socionics information elements and how they are defined.

This is typical though - so many people come into Socionics not understanding the actual model nor what the IMs are and then typing themselves without understanding what the type they assigned themselves even represents.

Then we end up with all these people typed as stuff like ILI 1 and SLI 1 which obviously don't make sense outside of people who "used functions" to give themselves a Socionics type based on their MBTI.
 
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Using functions, ESI is ISFP and not ISFJ. ESI is FiSe, like ISFP. I'm not sure what Model A means.
thanks, I was confused because ESI is called the guardian and some descriptions sound much more like ISFJ. I'm not sure what model A is exactly, but I think in Socionics the functions are arranged slightly differently.

Ethical-Sensory Intratim - ISFj (The Guardian)
ISFjs normally have slightly thick lips which they normally keep tightly together. Their facial structure is smooth, with a distinct lack of prominent or sharp cheek bones. ISFjs can have very slim and elongated figures as well as full figures with big, wide shoulders. Their clothes are always tidy and often strictly elegant with a touch of officially even when they are not at work.

Where the reviewing of any new project is concerned ISFjs are critical, actively seeking out major defects. They try to analyse the situation logically, objectively and with emotions detachment. ISFjs have a very well developed sense of duty.

ISFjs notice people who do not obey ethical norms. When among friends ISFjs always give their ethical evaluations of other peoples actions. Their quick wit enables them to reply effectively to people with sharp tongues. ISFjs enjoy to play jokes on people by telling them something seemingly serious with a straight face. Staying alone with a person for a long time can make ISFjs feel uncomfortable so does the presence of strangers in their homes.

ISFjs know how to actively defend themselves and those close to them. If they take the responsibility of a persons welfare upon them, they will provide protection and defend the persons interests as if they were their own. When the opportunity to take their revenge arises, they know how to find the most defenceless place for their strike.

ISFjs do not cope well in indefinite situations. They can start panicking easily by worrying incessantly about their situation. They do not like to wait for impending events, the nearer it comes the more tension they accumulate. They tend to release their stress with alcohol or in the company of close friends.

ISFjs like orderliness and cleanliness at home. They rarely tidy up but when they do they do a very thorough job. They are unlikely to go to sleep if they know that they have to finish some duties in their home. They can not simply rest without finding something to busy themselves with. ISFjs likely to judge the work by the quantity of energy spent and not the end result.
Sensory-Ethical Intratim - ISFp (The Peacemaker)
ISFps generally appear to be soft-hearted, but can become quite assertive if required. Their facial expression can change suddenly and unexpectedly from friendly one to a stern one, especially when they wish to distance themselves psychologically from someone. ISFps are often inclined to give advise concerning will power and initiative.

ISFps have a well developed aesthetic taste. Their clothes are usually neat, colourful and radiate a warm, comfortable feeling. They like to touch things in order to appreciate their physical qualities. When interacting with others ISFps try to maintain a closeness. They are often outwardly sociable, charming and friendly. They know well how to endear themselves to others and how to make people trust them. They prefer to interact in a democratic fashion, avoiding the spotlight.

ISFps do not usually try to push friendships. If they feel that a person does not want to establish contact with them they do not insist. They usually make just one attempt and if it is not successful they hardly ever try again. They maintain contact only with people that they find interesting. ISFps find it fairly difficult to interact with people that they dislike, even if it goes against their interests. In these situations they lose their personal magnetism, and their speech may become unintelligible.

ISFps enjoy gathering and sharing interacting facts and news. However, they always add a certain degree of colour to their narrative hoping to make it more interesting. This is the reason that ISFps are rarely caught telling a story the same way twice. They can easily talk about a single subject for a considerable amount of time, especially about their recent experiences. They also like to read a variety of newspapers.

ISFps do not like to unload their problems on others. When asked "How are you?" they usually reply that they are fine regardless of weather they are or not. ISFps do not like to make promises. If someone asks them for their help they will often reply "I cannot promise but I will try..." or "If I can..." If they were not able to fulfil a promise they will continually apologise until they feel that they have been forgiven.

ISFps have a strong desire to experience as much as they can and to enjoy themselves as much as possible. They love spending time and having fun with their friends, often joking and playing pranks. They do not like to be the centre of attention, but they also do not like to be too far away from where it is all happening. ISFps behaviour can be so independent and original that they may confuse and bewilder other people. Because of this people can consider ISFps to be light-minded.

ISFps can usually only be productive when working for themselves. In all other cases it is rare for them to work hard. They try their best to avoid strenuous physical exercises wherever possible, unless it is in the course of a particular sporting activity that they enjoy.

Another behavioural pattern peculiar to ISFps is their tendency to try and stay in the middle. To be neither the best or to be the worst. This is the reason that they do not like to openly criticise people and do not get involved in confrontations. ISFps always try to keep well away from bosses and other authoritative figures. They do not like briefings and other boring business meetings. They try to negotiate on an informal level using only safe and reliable acquaintances. ISFps try to maintain peaceful relations with everybody.
 
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