This happened, and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I went 'gothy' in high school and I've never really snapped out of it" If, over time, such validation remains out of reach, Fours begin to build their identity around how unlike everyone else they are."
The mixup here is completely understandable. Enneagram doesn't correspond directly to Jung types or MBTI. It speaks very much in terms of behavior but says little about cognitive processes and motivation.#4 ... the individualist ... the artist ... hmm you sure you are an INFJ and not INFP? sounds like something an INFP might struggle with and many a people mis-test between the two MBTI types
for INFJs it is common to test type 1 the perfectionist due to our dominant unifying Ni, type 2 the servant due to our Fe that makes us want to conform and please people as times, type 5 the thinker due to our tertiary Ti, and also type 9 the peacemaker which is like combination of Ni and Fe and Ti to some extent ... type 4 really sounds like INFP-ish kind of thing
I am not saying it is impossible for INFJ to test type 4 but if I tested 4 I would be somewhat suspicious of myself being an INFJ and go an extra mile to confirm it. All I am trying to relay here.The mixup here is completely understandable. Enneagram doesn't correspond directly to Jung types or MBTI. It speaks very much in terms of behavior but says little about cognitive processes and motivation.
INFJ is not a person - it is a list of cognitive preferences. I'm an IT professional working in supercomputing, but I'm also a writer, an artist, a roller skater and a father. Where is that on the Enneagram? Answer: It doesn't exist.
I test as Enneagram 4, but I take it with a huge grain of salt. Type is all about cognitive functions and the directionality of the functions in an INFJ are quite different than in an INFP. Behavior is just behavior - type is cognition.
I agree with that. It also pertains to the way that Jungian types are usually presented which is as a series of profiles. These can serve as a kind of useful shorthand - but the meat of the matter is cognition.Enneagram by itself does not exist but the qualities it describes exist, they are real within the person who is experiencing them as has been described in the original post.
I have strongly developed Ti but real NTs can usually out me pretty quickly. They see through my habit of filtering Ti through Fe. They can spot it almost instantly. All attempts on my part to join their ranks have been rejected on the basis of me being too squishy in the head and too soft in the heart.btw are you sure you are an INFJ and not an INTP?... i already had a debate with one of the INTPs about how yes verbal labels for things don't really exist, but that we invent them in order to communicate with each other, nevertheless those objects and concepts we label with words do exist in reality
All "feelers" have the potential to be "judgemental" because Feeling is a judging function. But that is not really the same thing as what J and P mean in a lineup of Jungian functions like INFJ.but if I was being honest with myself.. I'm a pretty judgemental person...
Hey bud - only one of my eyes is shiftyRunescribe is totally an INTP
He's got the shifty eyes to prove it
LOL my best friend (INTJ) wrote a poem about me... and how I was from a different time/age? Flattering.I don't really find it all that depressing. I think it's stating the obvious. I should probably get over it. It depends on the day. Like right now... it's like... why do I have to be me? I'm from another freaking dimension half the time. I get people... because I'm out of the realm of humanity. I don't want to be the same, but I don't want to be so ... very odd...
From what i hear it is fairly common for both INFJs, ISFPs INFPs to be type 4s. It is also somewhat common for ENFPs too. I don't think MBTI can be lined up directly with the Enneagram, and that there are lots of combinations. type 4 is very idealistic and is connected to both type 4 and type 1 and type 4 is said to line up with Ni in the books I've read. I can see how the other types fit as you described them but I personally wouldn't eliminate 4 from that.#4 ... the individualist ... the artist ... hmm you sure you are an INFJ and not INFP? sounds like something an INFP might struggle with and many a people mis-test between the two MBTI types
for INFJs it is common to test type 1 the perfectionist due to our dominant unifying Ni, type 2 the servant due to our Fe that makes us want to conform and please people as times, type 5 the thinker due to our tertiary Ti, and also type 9 the peacemaker which is like combination of Ni and Fe and Ti to some extent ... type 4 really sounds like INFP-ish kind of thing