Enneagram Type and MBTI Type Compared (Statistics)

snail said:

I would have thought so too. It is possible that we are more common than we seem, but that we tend to test as fours because most Enneagram tests seem to associate One-ness with SJ-like questions that alienate us.

It took me a long time to realize I was a One. The tests kept misidentifying me based on my negative answers to some of the "do you act like a crazy, neat-freakish, list-making, 'take your fucking shoes off so they won't stain my spotless white carpet that I vacuumed twelve times today!' unhealthy SJ-type?" questions.

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XD Oh, those famous organization questions which makes anyone without mild OCD unlikely to relate to...**sighs** I personally never saw what needing to be good and fair has to do with a cleaning obsession...but according to some, it's amoral to have more spontaneous "schedules" for mundane matters...**rolls eyes** INFPs, Ones or not, are likely to have a better sense of priority than that. I find passing my time pondering on values & moral matters and advocating causes more significant than focusing on the alphalbetical order of my courses labels on my binder...Or immersing myself in my passions/improving skills for career goals more pressing matter than doing dishes(apparently doing dishes hands-on is a tad cleaner than actually using the dishwasher so it's worth taking the time to do it...**facepalm**) Well, I really should stop ranting before my knuckles twitch with sheer exasperation.

Although 1 is not my core, I too didn't identify with it right away-as a fix. I always test as(and first thought I was) a 4-5-9. I beleive my 9 result to be higher than the 1 precisely because of the 1 stereotypes you mentioned. Something felt off when comparing myself to other alledged INFPs 9fixed(or just other INFPs in general), though. I think I give a more...self-righteous, serious and know-it-all-ish vibe. I also think I'm more excessively justice & objectivity-oriented than most INFPs(i.e., focusing on justice before empathy or mercy, although I greatly care about all three things). I think this is my 1w9 influence.

I also had trouble identifying with 3 as a core because of the shallow, appearance-oriented,materialistic 3 stereotypes. 3s are reputed to be amoral and non-authentic, things that clash with my values. And somehow no one seems to think of the possibility of threes integrating a moral dimension in their needs to be the best/ideal. I want to be the best in my field, and best everyone in certain traits I value, sure, that's vain. But I also care about becoming a strong moral model. Contrary to what some enneagram authors would like everyone to beleive, Moral 3s exist!

You've mentioned in your previous post that you had trouble fitting in even surrounded by INFPs. This makes me curious. How do you think your core 1 makes you differ from most INFPs? (If it's not too personal)

snail said:

edit: Maybe I do. I've already edited this post about nine times in an attempt to make sure it doesn't accidentally offend anyone.

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Moral perfectionism

@Nymma

I guess I feel that I differ from the others because they aren't as intense about things, and they don't get as upset about the more common, socially accepted forms of unfairness.

They are less likely to use words like "evil," "oppression," and "injustice" when describing anything but the very worst wrongs.

@slightlycrazed That's quite a bit of data mining.

Is there a difference between the 1st and 3rd image?
What about the 5th and 7th? In the 5th and 7th Type 6 is listed 2x for ISTJs.
Also I don't understand the Total for the 5th and 7th images.

*Oh, the ISTP Type 5 double listing was corrected in the 7th image, but not in the 5th.

Adesi said:

@slightlycrazed That's quite a bit of data mining.

Is there a difference between the 1st and 3rd image?
What about the 5th and 7th? In the 5th and 7th Type 6 is listed 2x for ISTJs.
Also I don't understand the Total for the 5th and 7th images.

*Oh, the ISTP Type 5 double listing was corrected in the 7th image, but not in the 5th.

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Thanks for catching that. I guess in the midst of all my copy and pasting it got all jumbled and I was too much in a hurry to double check. None of the charts were meant to be the same (that would just be redundant). As for the double one the sixes, it should be fixed. Let me know if you see anything else.

Interesting.

And of course, my first thought was "I wonder how many of those 200+ INTJ E6's are actually ISTJs."

Same thing with INFJ 2s and 6s, wondering how many are ISFJs.

Anyway, I'm unsurprised that many of the people on the forum are 4s, 5s, and 9s.

I also wonder how many Unknowns or 4s or 9s are actually 6s since there are supposedly so many E6s in the general population, but not so much here.

This is of course biased in all directions by PerC's population and not applicable to the general population, but if you are on PerC and you identify as a _, you are most likely a _ :

Benja said:

Cool, and thanks for the data

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This is very interesting and seems to confirm an intuitive thought I had : it looks almost like an inverse relationship between the rarity of a type irl and their abundance on the internet, or at the very least on a mbti forum.

Might be a logical bias, seems as the rarer your type is irl, the more you might be inclined to seek out kindred spirits on the internet. The more comon types only have to throw a rock to find someone similar to them after all lol

This thread is orgasmic. I'm a little surprised at the overwhelming numbers of 4s and 5s, but this is more than likely due to those sorts of people actively seeking out forums because there aren't many like them in their daily lives.

Metaplanar said:

This is of course biased in all directions by PerC's population and not applicable to the general population, but if you are on PerC and you identify as a _, you are most likely a _ :

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This is great! Amusing how the ENTJs are in their own little 8 loop :laughing:

I promise to send anyone who can explain this a perfumed postcard:

Introversion (I): ||||||||||| 44.44%
Extroversion (E): |||||||||||||| 55.56%
Intuition (N): ||||||||||||||||||| 77.42%
Sensation (S): |||||| 22.58%
Thinking (T): ||||||||| 34.38%
Feeling (F): |||||||||||||||| 65.63%
Judging (J): ||||||| 28%
Perceiving (P): |||||||||||||||||| 72%

Your Cognitive Functions:
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||||||||||||||||||| 10.71
Extroverted Sensation (Se) ||||||||||||||||||||| 9.8
Extroverted Thinking (Te) ||||||||||||||| 6.78
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||||||||||||||| 6.68
Introverted Sensation (Si) ||||||||||||||| 6.54
Introverted Thinking (Ti) |||||||||||||| 6.22
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||| 6.2

7w6, 9w1, 3w2.

Hola.Ola.Ting.Ting said:

I promise to send anyone who can explain this a perfumed postcard:

Introversion (I): ||||||||||| 44.44%
Extroversion (E): |||||||||||||| 55.56%
Intuition (N): ||||||||||||||||||| 77.42%
Sensation (S): |||||| 22.58%
Thinking (T): ||||||||| 34.38%
Feeling (F): |||||||||||||||| 65.63%
Judging (J): ||||||| 28%
Perceiving (P): |||||||||||||||||| 72%

Your Cognitive Functions:
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||||||||||||||||||| 10.71
Extroverted Sensation (Se) ||||||||||||||||||||| 9.8
Extroverted Thinking (Te) ||||||||||||||| 6.78
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||||||||||||||| 6.68
Introverted Sensation (Si) ||||||||||||||| 6.54
Introverted Thinking (Ti) |||||||||||||| 6.22
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||| 6.2

7w6, 9w1, 3w2.

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What exactly do you need? You're most likely an ENFP 7w6, not an uncommon sight. What kind of explanation do you want?

Hola.Ola.Ting.Ting said:

I promise to send anyone who can explain this a perfumed postcard:

Introversion (I): ||||||||||| 44.44%
Extroversion (E): |||||||||||||| 55.56%
Intuition (N): ||||||||||||||||||| 77.42%
Sensation (S): |||||| 22.58%
Thinking (T): ||||||||| 34.38%
Feeling (F): |||||||||||||||| 65.63%
Judging (J): ||||||| 28%
Perceiving (P): |||||||||||||||||| 72%

Your Cognitive Functions:
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||||||||||||||||||| 10.71
Extroverted Sensation (Se) ||||||||||||||||||||| 9.8
Extroverted Thinking (Te) ||||||||||||||| 6.78
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||||||||||||||| 6.68
Introverted Sensation (Si) ||||||||||||||| 6.54
Introverted Thinking (Ti) |||||||||||||| 6.22
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||| 6.2

7w6, 9w1, 3w2.

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ENFP. Do you need my address?

what is the eneagram triad / type here?

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• remaining focused on tasks
• accepting criticism
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I can peice together somebody's MBTI in their eyes, how they walk, and move their arms and legs, but to me the Enneagram isn't as much in those characteristics. I see the Enneagram in people's overall demeanor, like you would see in people taking antidepressants or other mood drugs, or street drugs.

For example, strong sensors have a sharp focused look in their eyes and strong intuitives have calm eyes. I spot it instantly. Where I often see the Enneagram types in someone's whole face. Its not anything minute or detailed...

I found some interesting conclusions from this data that I think proves that MBTI and Enneagram, while not the same, do have some sort of correlation.
Here's what I found:
Types 2,3, and 7 are most common in Extroverted types, so they seem to extroverted in nature, whereas Types 4, 5, and 6 are most common in Introverted types, so it seems as though they are more introverted in nature. All IXTX types have Type 5 as their most common type, so they are all most commonly motivated by learning and being competent. Both ISXJ (Si-dominant) types have Type 6 has their most common type so they are most commonly motivated by security. INFX types have Type 4 as their most common type so they want to individuals more often than not.
IXXJ (extroverted perception inferior) types all have Type 7 as their least common so having fun isn't one of their top motivators. IxTP types (Fe-inferior) have Type 2 as their least common type so they are least worried about helping others.
EXFJ (Fe-dominant) types have Type 2 as their most common type, so their biggest motivator is being able to help other, the opposite of IXTPs. EXXP types (extroverted perception dominant) have Type 7 as their most common type so they like to have fun, the opposite of IXXJs.
EXXP types also have Type 1 as their least common type, so they don't care too often about how they think things should be. I noticed that, in general, the numbers for extroverted types are lower than those for introverted types.
I apologize for repetition of phrases, but whatever gets the point across faster...
By no means is this conclusive evidence that the two are too closely related; these are just some interesting connections I seen.

bolter1 said:

I found some interesting conclusions from this data that I think proves that MBTI and Enneagram, while not the same, do have some sort of correlation.
Here's what I found:
Types 2,3, and 7 are most common in Extroverted types, so they seem to extroverted in nature, whereas Types 4, 5, and 6 are most common in Introverted types, so it seems as though they are more introverted in nature. All IXTX types have Type 5 as their most common type, so they are all most commonly motivated by learning and being competent. Both ISXJ (Si-dominant) types have Type 6 has their most common type so they are most commonly motivated by security. INFX types have Type 4 as their most common type so they want to individuals more often than not.
IXXJ (extroverted perception inferior) types all have Type 7 as their least common so having fun isn't one of their top motivators. IxTP types (Fe-inferior) have Type 2 as their least common type so they are least worried about helping others.
EXFJ (Fe-dominant) types have Type 2 as their most common type, so their biggest motivator is being able to help other, the opposite of IXTPs. EXXP types (extroverted perception dominant) have Type 7 as their most common type so they like to have fun, the opposite of IXXJs.
EXXP types also have Type 1 as their least common type, so they don't care too often about how they think things should be. I noticed that, in general, the numbers for extroverted types are lower than those for introverted types.
I apologize for repetition of phrases, but whatever gets the point across faster...
By no means is this conclusive evidence that the two are too closely related; these are just some interesting connections I seen.

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This was extremely helpful-thanks for posting it.

Benja said:

Cool, and thanks for the data

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Dear Benja,'s

That is very interesting about the users on PerC. I think the abundant number of Infj's (I am one) on the site is that we are rare. Infj's have always felt different and misunderstood. We are just so happy to find other people who think and act like we do. We are finding comfort in this fact and are finding strength in each other. It makes us feel not so alien anymore. The infj personality is only 1% of the population. Also infj's are natural counselors and find the personality profiles fascinating.

metaforge said:

INFJs are the rarest type my ass! We're second only to INFP (I can't believe how many INFPs there are OMG!) :shocked:

Interesting statistics! Thanks for sharing.

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I know this was posted a while ago, but it could be that there seem to be so many because of their interest in personalities and what makes people work. This site certainly would attract INFPs more than some other types!

*Lol! After I posted this, I looked at blissfulpeach's post. Of course we love to know how we and those around us think...

Nymma said:

Type 3 is in eight position for INFP...not surprising at all. I expected INFP 1s to be more common, though. Fi's orientation to the individual makes many INFPs concerned about human rights & personal justice. Also, the way Fi-doms spend their lives creating& striving to live up to ideals that not many can(or, unfortunately, care to) reach seems to align itself with type 1 idealism. IMO, Fi could be correlated with 1 just as much as it is with 4.

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I agree! My best friend is an INFP and, I believe, a 1w2. Could be 1w9 but he's definitely a 1.