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serene exuberance
receptive sensuality
imaginative synthesis

conventional compliance
habitual complacence
indolent resignation

obstinate neglect
helpless amnesia
catatonic vacancy


Type nine people care more than most about maintaining a comfortable, undisturbed life. They can become trapped by compulsive avoidance of upsetting circumstances. One of their talents is an intuitive ability to melt into another person's being.

Except in rare cases, people of type nine show a flavoring from one of the two adjacent wing points, so we can say they are nine with an eight wing (9/8) or nine with a one wing (9/1).

Like all humans, nines also come in three instinctual flavors: social (9sc), sexual (9sx), or self-preserving (9sp). In addition, nines also experience nine distinct levels of mental-emotional health (briefly described by the phrases at the top of this page). Therefore, it is possible to distinguish fifty-four distinct subflavors of type nine.​


nine with eight wing


general description

Average 9/8s are gentle, simple, unsophisticated people. They tend to be a bit impulsive because of their lusty eight-wing, and they have the ability to push hard enough to get their way, but they back down easily in most cases if others resist their impulses. 9/8 is more likely to ignore a challenge than the more power-oriented 8/9. Unlike the more refined 9/1, 9/8 feels rough around the edges. There is often almost a clumsy feel to their childlike ways. They are like puppydogs, eager to be happy and eager to forget unpleasantness.


balanced and transcendent states

When they begin to wake up, 9/8s almost always use their lusty eight-wing to pull themselves out of the dream. For them, the expansiveness and energy of eight is a direct antidote to nineish apathy and resignation. When eight begins to pull in the benevolence of two and nine finds the ambition of three, there is no stopping these powerful, generous people.

Highly integrated 9/8 carries both the goodness and generosity of two and the deep self-actualization of three, without any trace of pride or vanity. People feel positively uplifted in the presence of such completely humble, giving, magnificent, fully self-created beings. Somehow just being in the presence of such a person can generate tremendous confidence and healthy self-regard. It is not what they do, it's how they are. They simply are Ñ without trying to be anything in particular. The utter naturalness is astounding.

unbalanced and unhealthy states
Stressed 9/8 tends to fall into an unselfed dream state. If the dream deepens, apathy leads to sixish suspicion, while eightish defensiveness leads to fiveish paranoia. Nine's primary defense of withdrawal is enhanced by both tendencies, and 9/8 becomes a reclusive, lazy, mistrustful, hermit.

In the worst cases, the tendency to escape by going to sleep leads to total avoidance of any kind of real interaction. Bills go unpaid, the phone rings without being answered, and the lawn goes unmowed. Somnolence leads 9/8 deeper and deeper into self-negation, resulting in a paranoid sort of comatose sloth. No one is home in the body, and the body is powered down. Can there be any life at all in such a dead state?


physical appearance

9/8 has a tendency to be physically big. Many 9/8s have long, solid bones, and they are often remarkably strong. If they are healthy, they move with a powerful, fluid grace. If unhealthy, they can be quite clumsy and uncoordinated. Because they would rather not be the subject of much attention, and they feel no need to be different, they usually dress in traditional, acceptable clothing, seldom flashy or odd. Like 9/1s, 1/9s, and 6/5s, their particular brand of utter normality may be one of their most distinguishing features.


callings

Some 9/8s find work that combines quiet time and occasional aggressive outwardness. Middle managers, airline pilots, grant writers, behavioral therapists, talent scouts, casting directors. Others stay well out of the front lines, becoming postmasters, gardeners, bookkeepers, beekeepers, housekeepers. There are 9/8 newscasters, actors, singers, recruiters, executive secretaries, and many unremarkable jobs out of the public eye. Of course, 9/8s can also be found doing many other kinds of work.​



nine with one wing


general description

Average 9/1 has a sort of cloudlike softness. The one-wing adds a flavor of intellectuality, but nine is more powerful, so the 9/1's thoughts are not likely to receive much reality-testing. As a result, 9/1 often has a set of beliefs about the world that may seem superstitious or magical to others. For 9/1, this is no problem, because, strange as it may seem, these magical beliefs often seem to actually work for them. Unlike 9/8, 9/1 has a kind of refinement and poise, because of the one-wing's desire to be perfect. But 9/1 is more likely to lie down and take a nap than the more workaholic 1/9.


balanced and transcendent states

Balanced 9/1 somehow becomes more present. Now there is really somebody home, a genuine being with actual goals and self-interest who happily starts creating results in the world. Nine begins to show some threeish ambition and the one-wing begins to loosen up its perfectionism. While such a person is still probably involved in activities that are non-threatening and not particularly visible in the world at large, the results often affect others in ways that are surprisingly useful and subtle.

Advanced 9/1 finds deep sevenish joy in the accomplishment of personal goals. Usually the goals involve teaching or otherwise empowering others. Oneish intellectual rigor assumes real importance when the desire for withdrawal diminishes, allowing 9/1 to risk genuine involvement. Thoughts and internal images finally correspond to actual reality and 9/1 is able to transmit to others a special and powerful kind of integrated self-actualization.


unbalanced and unhealthy states

Under stress, nineish withdrawal increases, accompanied by oneish judgment of self and others. 9/1 retreats into a fantasy world inhabited by comfortably fuzzy generalities and stereotyped images of other people. These are the people 9/1 wishes could inhabit the real world -- wishful, perfect images of real people. Unfortunately, because 9/1 is convinced of the reality of these internally generated images, real-life interactions suffer when people do not live up to their idealized images. But the 9/1 tries very hard not to notice.

In the extreme, it becomes nearly impossible not to see the discrepancies between the perfect inner images and the outward reality. Total isolation becomes the only way to avoid seeing that the world is populated by disturbingly imperfect, unpredictable, demanding, untrustworthy beings. Life falls apart at the seams and psychotic 9/1 eventually may reach a state of catatonic pseudo-coma. Even eating and drinking can become too much work. No one is home in the body, and the body itself is allowed to fall into ruins.


physical appearance

Because they usually do not want to be noticed, average 9/1s almost always dress as inconspicuously as possible. They wear the most normal, culturally unremarkable clothing they can find. They really want to be as invisible as possible. Physically, the 9/1s with the strongest one-wings tend to be thin, while those with less one energy can sometimes become soft and pudgy. Most 9/1s are of an intermediate build.


callings

Some 9/1s find work that lets them use their mind, but in a soft, fuzzy sort of way. Astrologers, palm-readers, crystal healers, puppeteers, storytellers, dressmakers. Others want more intellectual rigor, becoming accountants, naturalists, politicians, librarians, animators, artists, or technical writers. There are 9/1 postal workers (scads of them), literature professors, actors, painters, and a million jobs that nobody ever notices. Of course, 9/1s can also be found doing many other kinds of work.


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nine with one wing



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Unlike 9/8, 9/1 has a kind of refinement and poise, because of the one-wing's desire to be perfect. But 9/1 is more likely to lie down and take a nap than the more workaholic 1/9.


balanced and transcendent states

Balanced 9/1 somehow becomes more present. Now there is really somebody home, a genuine being with actual goals and self-interest who happily starts creating results in the world. Nine begins to show some threeish ambition and the one-wing begins to loosen up its perfectionism. While such a person is still probably involved in activities that are non-threatening and not particularly visible in the world at large, the results often affect others in ways that are surprisingly useful and subtle.​

Advanced 9/1 finds deep sevenish joy in the accomplishment of personal goals. Usually the goals involve teaching or otherwise empowering others. Oneish intellectual rigor assumes real importance when the desire for withdrawal diminishes, allowing 9/1 to risk genuine involvement. Thoughts and internal images finally correspond to actual reality and 9/1 is able to transmit to others a special and powerful kind of integrated self-actualization.​


physical appearance

Because they usually do not want to be noticed, average 9/1s almost always dress as inconspicuously as possible. They wear the most normal, culturally unremarkable clothing they can find. They really want to be as invisible as possible. Physically, the 9/1s with the strongest one-wings tend to be thin, while those with less one energy can sometimes become soft and pudgy. Most 9/1s are of an intermediate build.​
I relate to these parts the most.​

For 9w1, I don't get the "magical beliefs" thing. The only thing I can say about that is I tend to be hopeful and optimistic, and "ignorance is bliss" is my motto more often than it should be. :tongue: I guess that counts?​

Also, for general 9 descriptions, a lot of them talk about taking on another person's identity, or whatever the wording usually is. Is that what "intuitive ability to melt into another person's being" means in this case? I've never related to that part of the descriptions.
 

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^Nines have the ability to easily see where other people come from and when they "merge" or step into another persons perspective they consequently lose sight of their own perspective.

Imagine yourself and another discussing a certain topic and you get into rapport with the other person. Now, he's got an opinion on something and as he lays out his reasoning you nod and mumble yes, yes, yes to every point he make, seeing where he's coming from. Then he is done and it's your turn to speak up and you find yourself dumbstruck and can't say anything and you don't know why... you know you have an opinion... somewhere but you can't seem to get a hold of it.

9s feel so unimporant, more or less subconsciously, that they sometimes take on other peoples identities, perspectives and even live through other people. The 9 is not important, everyone else is. You could experience this as without questioning helping someone else out if say they get sick, yet you don't want/expect the same help from anyone else when you get sick yourself. Or something more practical, like helping someone move yet insisting on handling your own move yourself.
 

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^Nines have the ability to easily see where other people come from and when they "merge" or step into another persons perspective they consequently lose sight of their own perspective.

Imagine yourself and another discussing a certain topic and you get into rapport with the other person. Now, he's got an opinion on something and as he lays out his reasoning you nod and mumble yes, yes, yes to every point he make, seeing where he's coming from. Then he is done and it's your turn to speak up and you find yourself dumbstruck and can't say anything and you don't know why... you know you have an opinion... somewhere but you can't seem to get a hold of it.

9s feel so unimporant, more or less subconsciously, that they sometimes take on other peoples identities, perspectives and even live through other people.
Oh, well the way you put it, it makes sense, and I am like that. Thanks! :happy:
 

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^Nines have the ability to easily see where other people come from and when they "merge" or step into another persons perspective they consequently lose sight of their own perspective.

Imagine yourself and another discussing a certain topic and you get into rapport with the other person. Now, he's got an opinion on something and as he lays out his reasoning you nod and mumble yes, yes, yes to every point he make, seeing where he's coming from. Then he is done and it's your turn to speak up and you find yourself dumbstruck and can't say anything and you don't know why... you know you have an opinion... somewhere but you can't seem to get a hold of it.

9s feel so unimporant, more or less subconsciously, that they sometimes take on other peoples identities, perspectives and even live through other people. The 9 is not important, everyone else is. You could experience this as without questioning helping someone else out if say they get sick, yet you don't want/expect the same help from anyone else when you get sick yourself. Or something more practical, like helping someone move yet insisting on handling your own move yourself.
Son of a gun that's scary, when you read your inner thoughts on a post someone else made.

It make sense what they mean by merging, I've always wondered about what they meant by it. And, I've wondered why I did exactly whats bolded.

Great post Tucken, :happy:
 

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In the worst cases, the tendency to escape by going to sleep leads to total avoidance of any kind of real interaction. Bills go unpaid, the phone rings without being answered, and the lawn goes unmowed. Somnolence leads 9/8 deeper and deeper into self-negation, resulting in a paranoid sort of comatose sloth. No one is home in the body, and the body is powered down. Can there be any life at all in such a dead state?

o_O that sounds familiar....it happened to me when i went into a severe depression a few years back.
 

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Type nine people care more than most about maintaining a comfortable, undisturbed life. They can become trapped by compulsive avoidance of upsetting circumstances. One of their talents is an intuitive ability to melt into another person's being.​


True.

Average 9/8s are gentle, simple, unsophisticated people. They tend to be a bit impulsive because of their lusty eight-wing, and they have the ability to push hard enough to get their way, but they back down easily in most cases if others resist their impulses. 9/8 is more likely to ignore a challenge than the more power-oriented 8/9. Unlike the more refined 9/1, 9/8 feels rough around the edges. There is often almost a clumsy feel to their childlike ways. They are like puppydogs, eager to be happy and eager to forget unpleasantness.​


Also true.

When they begin to wake up, 9/8s almost always use their lusty eight-wing to pull themselves out of the dream. For them, the expansiveness and energy of eight is a direct antidote to nineish apathy and resignation. When eight begins to pull in the benevolence of two and nine finds the ambition of three, there is no stopping these powerful, generous people.
Thats true. I guess the 8 wing lends to my own need to getting things done. Theres no other way to wake up in the morning.

Highly integrated 9/8 carries both the goodness and generosity of two and the deep self-actualization of three, without any trace of pride or vanity. People feel positively uplifted in the presence of such completely humble, giving, magnificent, fully self-created beings. Somehow just being in the presence of such a person can generate tremendous confidence and healthy self-regard. It is not what they do, it's how they are. They simply are Ñ without trying to be anything in particular. The utter naturalness is astounding.
This too. Just being resonates with me.


unbalanced and unhealthy states
Stressed 9/8 tends to fall into an unselfed dream state. If the dream deepens, apathy leads to sixish suspicion, while eightish defensiveness leads to fiveish paranoia. Nine's primary defense of withdrawal is enhanced by both tendencies, and 9/8 becomes a reclusive, lazy, mistrustful, hermit.
I played WoW during my holidays and went through 117 mountain dew bottles. I only went out near the end.

In the worst cases, the tendency to escape by going to sleep leads to total avoidance of any kind of real interaction. Bills go unpaid, the phone rings without being answered, and the lawn goes unmowed. Somnolence leads 9/8 deeper and deeper into self-negation, resulting in a paranoid sort of comatose sloth. No one is home in the body, and the body is powered down. Can there be any life at all in such a dead state?
Depression fer sure. May of had this near the end of the holidays.... didn't bother me much.

9/8 has a tendency to be physically big. Many 9/8s have long, solid bones, and they are often remarkably strong. If they are healthy, they move with a powerful, fluid grace. If unhealthy, they can be quite clumsy and uncoordinated. Because they would rather not be the subject of much attention, and they feel no need to be different, they usually dress in traditional, acceptable clothing, seldom flashy or odd. Like 9/1s, 1/9s, and 6/5s, their particular brand of utter normality may be one of their most distinguishing features.
True. The being big thing, yes; could you say thin ectomorph? :p And true again. I dont feel any need to stand out...having clothing is good, but being flashy is not important at all. Fashion anarchy ftw.​
 

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I thought i was a 9/1 and wrote something, posted it, and then went a while thinking i was a 3/2. Confused is a good word.
But to be honest i feel as if this is me 9/1 without a doubt. I know more now than what i did before and that's the difference.
 

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whats with the whole superstitious and magical set of beliefs bit for 9w1s? Sounds more like something from the author's personal experince/opinion than something from the actual enneagram. it's certainly not representative of me anyway. also you'd have to be pretty gullible to believe that you can determine someones physical appearance from theyre enneagram type.

other than that it's a pretty good description
 

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whats with the whole superstitious and magical set of beliefs bit for 9w1s? Sounds more like something from the author's personal experince/opinion than something from the actual enneagram. it's certainly not representative of me anyway.
In my case - although I can see reasonable arguments for every point of view and understand why someone supports such idea/belief, I compare all the points of view to my personal system of convictions which is usually taken 'for granted'. Even if I see some distortions in my thinking I seldom change my mind. The more theoretical and idealistic the case is, the more stubborn I become.
 

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nine with one wing


general description

Average 9/1 has a sort of cloudlike softness. The one-wing adds a flavor of intellectuality, but nine is more powerful, so the 9/1's thoughts are not likely to receive much reality-testing. As a result, 9/1 often has a set of beliefs about the world that may seem superstitious or magical to others. For 9/1, this is no problem, because, strange as it may seem, these magical beliefs often seem to actually work for them. Unlike 9/8, 9/1 has a kind of refinement and poise, because of the one-wing's desire to be perfect. But 9/1 is more likely to lie down and take a nap than the more workaholic 1/9.


balanced and transcendent states

Balanced 9/1 somehow becomes more present. Now there is really somebody home, a genuine being with actual goals and self-interest who happily starts creating results in the world. Nine begins to show some threeish ambition and the one-wing begins to loosen up its perfectionism. While such a person is still probably involved in activities that are non-threatening and not particularly visible in the world at large, the results often affect others in ways that are surprisingly useful and subtle.

Advanced 9/1 finds deep sevenish joy in the accomplishment of personal goals. Usually the goals involve teaching or otherwise empowering others. Oneish intellectual rigor assumes real importance when the desire for withdrawal diminishes, allowing 9/1 to risk genuine involvement. Thoughts and internal images finally correspond to actual reality and 9/1 is able to transmit to others a special and powerful kind of integrated self-actualization.


unbalanced and unhealthy states

Under stress, nineish withdrawal increases, accompanied by oneish judgment of self and others. 9/1 retreats into a fantasy world inhabited by comfortably fuzzy generalities and stereotyped images of other people. These are the people 9/1 wishes could inhabit the real world -- wishful, perfect images of real people. Unfortunately, because 9/1 is convinced of the reality of these internally generated images, real-life interactions suffer when people do not live up to their idealized images. But the 9/1 tries very hard not to notice.

In the extreme, it becomes nearly impossible not to see the discrepancies between the perfect inner images and the outward reality. Total isolation becomes the only way to avoid seeing that the world is populated by disturbingly imperfect, unpredictable, demanding, untrustworthy beings. Life falls apart at the seams and psychotic 9/1 eventually may reach a state of catatonic pseudo-coma. Even eating and drinking can become too much work. No one is home in the body, and the body itself is allowed to fall into ruins.


physical appearance

Because they usually do not want to be noticed, average 9/1s almost always dress as inconspicuously as possible. They wear the most normal, culturally unremarkable clothing they can find. They really want to be as invisible as possible. Physically, the 9/1s with the strongest one-wings tend to be thin, while those with less one energy can sometimes become soft and pudgy. Most 9/1s are of an intermediate build.


callings

Some 9/1s find work that lets them use their mind, but in a soft, fuzzy sort of way. Astrologers, palm-readers, crystal healers, puppeteers, storytellers, dressmakers. Others want more intellectual rigor, becoming accountants, naturalists, politicians, librarians, animators, artists, or technical writers. There are 9/1 postal workers (scads of them), literature professors, actors, painters, and a million jobs that nobody ever notices. Of course, 9/1s can also be found doing many other kinds of work.



This is awesome! I relate to pretty much everything to do with a 9w1 :) that makes me happy because i knew i was a 9 i just wasnt sure i was correct lol:happy:
 

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I'm a 9/1 wing.
 
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Anyone wanna trade wings? My one wing is kind of a bully. I named him George. I don't really know why, but that was the first name that popped into my head. Maybe because it's the number 1, and George Washington was the first president of the United States.

Besides bullying you, he can make you hate working in groups because you don't think anyone can do things as well as you. He can also make you really anal about small details that no one else cares about, and that you realize you shouldn't care about either because they probably don't matter in the long run, but you can't help but want them to be perfect anyway. Any takers? :crazy:
 

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Oh well, mis-post. >_<
 

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nine with eight wing

balanced and transcendent states

When they begin to wake up, 9/8s almost always use their lusty eight-wing to pull themselves out of the dream. For them, the expansiveness and energy of eight is a direct antidote to nineish apathy and resignation. When eight begins to pull in the benevolence of two and nine finds the ambition of three, there is no stopping these powerful, generous people.

unbalanced and unhealthy states
Stressed 9/8 tends to fall into an unselfed dream state. If the dream deepens, apathy leads to sixish suspicion, while eightish defensiveness leads to fiveish paranoia. Nine's primary defense of withdrawal is enhanced by both tendencies, and 9/8 becomes a reclusive, lazy, mistrustful, hermit.

In the worst cases, the tendency to escape by going to sleep leads to total avoidance of any kind of real interaction. Bills go unpaid, the phone rings without being answered, and the lawn goes unmowed. Somnolence leads 9/8 deeper and deeper into self-negation, resulting in a paranoid sort of comatose sloth. No one is home in the body, and the body is powered down. Can there be any life at all in such a dead state?



I was beginning to think that I was a balanced 9 since my scores showed little difference between having a 1 wing and an 8 wing.

Now that I've read through the descriptions, I've realized that that little difference is actually a big one.

I tend to go on the extremes. There are times when I get so restless that I just have to do so much things in one go. I wear myself out in the process. Thus, ending up in an unhealthy state. It's my way of recuperating and/or escaping obligations.

My goal now is to find that balance and embrace life in small doses.​
 
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I'm a solid 9 wing 8.

6'3" 305, the description reads like a "how to take care of your Zombie Devil Duckie" owners manual. The only part I'm at odds with is the low-sophistication. I rarely (if ever) use vulgarity, and when I do it's only to bring extreme emphasis to a point. I'm patient and subtle. It may be a rare trait in 9w8's, but as an ESFP, I'm always cautious not to offend and to be polite.

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I know I am a 9w1 from reading the stuff on healthy to unhealthy 9w1.

Basically my experience of the past two years is going from a relatively healthy 9w1 all the way down to the lowest point of the 9w1 and then back to 9w1 at their best.

In fact during my recovery from the lowest pit I often felt I had lost a part of myself, and now I have found it again.

Let's just say I never want to go through what I went through ever again.
 

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whats with the whole superstitious and magical set of beliefs bit for 9w1s? Sounds more like something from the author's personal experince/opinion than something from the actual enneagram. it's certainly not representative of me anyway. also you'd have to be pretty gullible to believe that you can determine someones physical appearance from theyre enneagram type.

other than that it's a pretty good description
I actually laughed at the physical appearance part. It was one part I did not identify with.

I think how I dress is more reflective of me being an INFJ then a type 9w1.
 
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