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We have all heard the styerotype-ENTJs are always looking for a way to gain more power. That they want to control others. That they want to rule the world!

Well i am asking you guys do you want power to rule the world? are you elected to positions of power by your peers even when you dont intend to take a position? Do you take power because you feel that either others will not do a good job/everyone else is a morron? Or do you even want power in the first place.

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well do you have power and if so how did you get it and why do you still hold on to it?
 

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Power comes from a need to be in control. Where does the need to be in control come from? It comes from something that one is out of control of. This doesn't necessarily mean literally being out of control of someone. Control in general I associate with the judging functions..... Fi Ti Fe Te. The difference is WHAT kind of control and WHERE is the control needed..... also..... what perceptions/information is being given in order to make these judgements. In other words..... is the judging function F or T...... E or I...... what kind of perceiving function is feeding it.... Se Si Ne or Ni?

Picture control and perception like a person that is exploring an ocean. They hold onto the boat while they peak their head in. I think this is what we do as humans. I think we grasp onto something tight so that we can swim in perception or vice versa. Perhaps we may sometimes swim in perception in order to find something to hold on to. Maybe an anchor analogy works better....

With this metaphor .... I think that ENTJ's need to control their outer environment because they are out of control of their inner environment (at least enough to create a need for closure). I think everyone is like this but in different ways. ENTJ's get labeled as power hungry merely because Te is a fairly objective and straight forward function. It is blunt.... and it doesn't take emotions into acount. Power is what it gets labeled as..... but the idea of power isn't the goal as much as logical closure and cohesiveness/efficiency. In order to have things running logically and cohesively efficient....... you have to enforce rules..... you have to give the orders.
 

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I'm 22. Not much power to be had for the average 22 year old.
That is a load of BS i am 18 and i have a ton of power and influnce on alot of important local people. i have impressed them and they intrun have voed to help me along in my career. but power can also be on the personal level being able to mess with your friends and have them not even aware of it.about to lead someone along but making them think their doing the leading. i perfer the blunt approch but with some people that just doesnt more. being purely blunt mean you can lead a horse to water but to make him drink you will have to drown the horse. doesnt work so well.
 

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I enjoy power, just for the sake of power as it makes me comfortable. That aside, I don't have a goal in controlling people. I have to say things people may reject, but control of my environment is vital for me in order to not get anxiety. This isn't to say I need people to bow down towards me, but I need to have a field of expertise in everything I do. If I lack the expertise I get nervous, start sweating, and get extremely self-conscious to a point where I believe people are after me.

This is maybe a psychological reason, but my old psychologist rejected this idea. He said it was how I was, with a constant quest in gathering expertise. Without that and a goal I get major periods of depression.
 

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I'm not on a quest for power. I just like learning, and I like planning and doing things.

This combination results in a lot of knowledge on a lot of different subjects, and always several projects on the go, simultaneously. This, in turn, periodically results in power, when people get involved in the projects I am working on, or when I get involved in some other project involving people. But power is never the goal-in-itself.
 

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I used to think I would be a great world leader, but I bowed out of that race before it even started. I think I lost too much of my F side over the years and moved even more towards T. Or maybe it is just more clear to me that an ENTJ, while has the capacity to obtain the power to rule the world, shouldn't. I might also have some kind of underlying fear of corruption.

I am actually pursing my desire for power. I'm more of a lets make the world a better place kind of guy (enneagram type 1), so I'm actually working in a field that works somewhat behind the scenes doing so. Its not a global spotlight kind of job, but I am in a leadership position and the work is for the greater good, so its a satisfying job for me.
 

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Power for power's sake is a fool's quest, and anyone with broad enough horizons can see it.

The most powerful job in the world -- the POTUS-- is at best an 8yr gig. A company like Microsoft employs around 90000 people; Walmart, probably between 1-2 million. This is a drop in a bucket on a planet with 6,000,000,000 people.

A better vision-- find a passion, follow it, and everything else will take care of itself. In the long run, we're all dead-- no one is keeping score, so do what you want.
 

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Power yes, controlling people no.

I have noticed that SP's like to control people but don't want power. But they are subtle about it.
 

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Well this from was only ment to find out about What you guys thought about the streotype we ENTJs have as power mad jerks. clearly that is not the case however i feel that some of you took the question way to personaly. Almost as if i was calling you all power mad. this was not my intent. i feel those of you that did take it personaliy need to lightin up. but on the whole great feed back. Keep up the good work.

Now why do think someone might see you as a power mad jerk? can you think of any exmales you would like to share?
 

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Well this from was only ment to find out about What you guys thought about the streotype we ENTJs have as power mad jerks. clearly that is not the case however i feel that some of you took the question way to personaly. Almost as if i was calling you all power mad. this was not my intent. i feel those of you that did take it personaliy need to lightin up. but on the whole great feed back. Keep up the good work.

Now why do think someone might see you as a power mad jerk? can you think of any exmales you would like to share?
Maybe you should have made that a bit more clear. Don't tell someone they're taking something personally if you didn't make your intent clear. Own up.
 

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that seems to be a big problem for me on here. what i think is clear is not clear to others. i appoliges for any miss understanding.
 

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I love being put in positions of power, as I usually am. I also love climbing my way to power - but, as Troisi said,

"Power for the sake of power seems petty and narrow minded."

I love power, but it has to be with something I choose to control for the purpose of making it better. I have no interest in power or control when the category is not in my interest to invest the time. So I choose power carefully and only in things at which I am competent. I choose to sit back and let others run the menial or other tasks that seem valuable to them, and if someone shows an ability at something beyond my own, specialists for instance, I'll back off and learn from them as the knowledge we have didn't just pop into our minds - it took a lot of experience and hard work to attain.

People tend to give me power for many reasons, I cultivate these reasons and skills in private so that I am always a good choice. But I find that leadership has many faces - I found that a powerful speaking voice, eloquent speaking style, the appearance of modesty and physical fitness / appearance are the keys to the kingdom. True knowledge and conviction are the means to keeping those keys. Knowing when to give the keys to the next person (hopefully one nicer and softer than myself) who wants to run the thing.

True power is the ability to get people to do what you want, over and over again. When I take up the standard, people flock to me whether I like it or not, or hate me outright (that I like a lot). It's better to know upfront who the opposition is.
 

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We have all heard the styerotype-ENTJs are always looking for a way to gain more power. That they want to control others. That they want to rule the world!

Well i am asking you guys do you want power to rule the world? are you elected to positions of power by your peers even when you dont intend to take a position? Do you take power because you feel that either others will not do a good job/everyone else is a morron? Or do you even want power in the first place.

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I don't want power to rule the world. Then everyone would have their eye on you and if you screwed up then EVERYONE's going to hate you... And as a president, don't you have to hear the people's complaints and react to them? I'd really not want to hear a bunch of "save the earth or the world's going to die out" by a bunch of EPA tree-huggers or shit like that....

I am elected to positions of power by my peers like leader of a group project because they dont do shit or screw around. Then I take command as well as control and start getting the wheels turning on the project. I do so like my results and I will get them even if that means taking a hot poker up somebody's ass or doing everything myself.

I do like my power though and will seek it wherever possible. With more power, I can do more and achieve more. This goes quite nicely too because I love making things happen and getting projects/tasks accomplished. However, I'm an enneagram 8 so this is really typical for me to say such things. :tongue:
 

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As President you don't have to listen. You can pretend to listen, whichever is suits you.
 
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