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After much research, I have reached a plateau in deciding my personality type. Although I have researched the cognitive functions tirelessly, I cannot determine which ones I use. I think this is a problem with me more than the general descriptions of cognitive functions. I am an ENTP at school, but I am an ENTJ at home. At school I am the class clown and hardly ever get any work done because I am busy making jokes. I smile a lot and can get any teacher off topic with a one-liner. But when I get home, I am very ENTJ. I am always telling my family and roommates how to do things and setting house rules. I can be verbally abrasive and look to start arguments often. I sum this up to be that I am either an ENTJ who doesn't care about his school work because it has no effect on the life he has planned out for himself or because of the Ti function in an ENTP makes me want an organized home with many rules so that Ne can be more prolific while outside of the house. Do any other ENTP's or ENTJ's relate?
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I'm an ENTJ (as far as I know), and I do not take school seriously. I love learning, but school is merely busywork to me. Boredom can do things to people, and school definitely brings boredom. You very well may be an ENTJ who does not care about school.

The way you describe yourself and how you have a life planned out leads me to believe that you might be an ENTJ. Also, Te takes pleasure in putting things in order, as well organizing for efficiency, which sounds like what you said.
 

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You post comes off as Ti.


I browsed through several intj/intp diagnosis threads (entp/j threads are too rare)
What's my personality type?

The trend in the language appears to hold, those diagnosed as NTP have also tended use other peoples impressions (Fe "class clown / "telling my family ... this/that" / "can you relate") as info and lots of different self-statements "I am ... but this ... then ... means ... or ... either "
Those diagnosed NTJ have an empirical probablistic language and method requesting "doesn't seem to fit" "not all the time" "how do/should I" "think" "unlikely" "most"

My undersized samples
J: http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/161754-intj-intp.html
http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my...ntj-high-ne-ti-i-entp-advice-appreciated.html

P: http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/156693-intp-intj-few-points-consider.html
http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/155944-am-i-intp-entp.html
http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/148374-i-dont-know-if-im-intp-intj.html
http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/145664-intp-entp.html

note: seems like a fraction of ntj's go to the type-me forum compared to ntp's.
 

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note: seems like a fraction of ntj's go to the type-me forum compared to ntp's.
I think that may come down to Ne + Ti vs Ni + Te. I can recognize Ti in a post, mostly because it strikes me as being ass backwards, but I also see how Ne could lead to a cascade of ideas as to "I do this" etc, which Ti then in its normal way rationalizes fully. There is a thread in the "type me" socionics forum that exemplifies this.

Ti + Ne can also look "Ni-ish" unless you know what to look for.

I think the biggest problem for XNTJ would be discerning between Si and Ni when starting out because they can appear similar in the function descriptions seeing as they are both introverted perception functions. However, if you zoom out a little bit you can see the difference in attention to detail. This became very clear to me after working with an ISTJ who has an extreme degree of Si development at the cost of his Te.

A) Everything is an iteration of something he's seen before.
A-2) Change has to be incremental, very slow, and unnoticeable.

B) A fondness for argument from tradition, I.E "It's how we've always done it", "This part is never going to change".
B-2) Example: He still prints out all his emails and organizes them in stacks on his desk rather than using the email program.

C) The use of excessively subjective rule-sets, for instance he can come waltzing in and out of the office when he likes, but everyone else has to follow a rigid schedule.

D) Everything is documented in micro-detail and posted all over the office in various lists etc.
D-2) Every system he creates is formulated from detail -> whole with very little idea of how it should fit together in the most efficient/effective way given our business context.
D-2.1) Example: The system he commissioned a few years ago and is a patchwork of functionality and he specified it down to which font and font size was to be used.

When it comes to systems XNTJ tends to go [End goal] -> [Critical success factors] - > [Detail] whereas XSTJ tends to go [Detail] -> Critical success factors] -> [Big picture]. Another observation that may or may not be applicable to the mass of SJs is that the idea of engineering a system to make it harder to do something wrong than to do it right seems to be an XNTJ concept.

My biggest problem with my type is determining is Ni dom or is Te dom, which also comes down to the "introvert" vs "extrovert" dimension of the system. Especially when adding in the concept from socionics of types having a love for their creative functions, which could be an ENTJ with strong Ni or an INTJ with strong Te.
 
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