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I've just started wondering if maybe I'm an ENTP rather than an INTP, although I'd have to be a very low E. I'm an only child and an enneagram 6w5 which could have contributed to making me seem more introverted, as well as a natural loathing for the general population, but when I'm around my family, people I like or who I find interesting then I want to be the center of attention, it just doesn't happen often as I don't often leave my house except when needed. When it does happen I get a natural high off of it but I don't actively try to be the center of attention.

I've not really had friends in the past couple of years, by friends I mean people who I like not just people who I hang out with so I'm not alone all the time and perceived as odd, but I've been apart of loads of friendship groups in the past and I used to find it quite easy to swap friendship groups but it didn't take long before they started to bore me and I'd wander off on my own until I found someone new and interesting.

I'm not loud, or argumentative in class like the stereotype, and it irritates me when other people are. There was a boy in a class that I used to be in who was the typical ENTP, he generated idea after idea, he was loud and self-centered in class but also quite brilliant and he never shut up, he annoyed the crap out of me. I really disliked school at this point and my main aim was to get in and out as fast as possible with the minimum amount of contact possible and I can't concentrate in a loud environment, and he made the environment very loud.

I'm doubting my type because although I don't seem to generate ideas out of the blue like some ENTPs do I also don't really think inside my head like INTPs seem to. I only ever seem to understand my own reasoning and logic when I write it down or talk about it, I don't really seem to actually think about them a lot internally. I will research a topic like abortion for weeks and won't really fom an opinion of it, I'll just get a general sense of right or wrong and it's not until I actually debate the issue with somebody or write an essay on it that I start to really develop my views on the subject.

It seems that unlike a lot of ENTPs I don't just throw out ideas after ideas, I do come up with some pretty strange ones on a regular basis but I tend to dismiss them as silly soon after but some of the ones, even those I know are completely unlikely, will still stick with me and I'll get quite a bit of amusement out of developing them further but most of my ideas are based on something that I get from the outside world. It's like I'll look out of my bedroom window to the rooftop of another house and think, 'it'd be pretty cool to have a slide going from the roof to the ground, nah, health and safety wouldn't allow it, it'd be pretty cool to have bridges going from house to house all over the world, wait, a whole overhead transport system would be good, it'd decrease road accidents. But what if some people are scared of heights? The we could have motion detectors in the floor of the bridge that, if people want, will create a little dome over them as they walked so that they didn't have to see over the side of the overhead transport system if they didn't want to...' and after writing all of that I now have the urge to go and design the bloody overhead transport system. I think the name might need some work.

Any thoughts about INTP vs ENTP? I do seem to be pretty socially introverted, I generally dislike people and don't want to talk to them unless they say something interesting but if they do interest me then I want all of their positive attention focused on me whilst I want it. When I've got what I can from them I tend to start being drained in their company and just want to go somewhere else.

If I'm in a group of friends and someone else is getting all the attention when I want it I don't try to drag people's attention towards me I just start wanting to leave and be on my own. If I'm the center of attention in a good way then I'm less likely to want to go home. However I am fine with having very few friends and I don't tend to seek out social activities unless I'm in the mood, such as after I've spent a few days on my own.

I do have a very overactive imagination, I can spend days or weeks at a time living in a fantasy world with very little contact to people in the real world but normally after doing this I'll want to go out and socialise for a while.
 

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I've just started wondering if maybe I'm an ENTP rather than an INTP, although I'd have to be a very low E. I'm an only child and an enneagram 6w5 which could have contributed to making me seem more introverted, as well as a natural loathing for the general population, but when I'm around my family, people I like or who I find interesting then I want to be the center of attention, it just doesn't happen often as I don't often leave my house except when needed. When it does happen I get a natural high off of it but I don't actively try to be the center of attention.

I've not really had friends in the past couple of years, by friends I mean people who I like not just people who I hang out with so I'm not alone all the time and perceived as odd, but I've been apart of loads of friendship groups in the past and I used to find it quite easy to swap friendship groups but it didn't take long before they started to bore me and I'd wander off on my own until I found someone new and interesting.

I'm not loud, or argumentative in class like the stereotype, and it irritates me when other people are. There was a boy in a class that I used to be in who was the typical ENTP, he generated idea after idea, he was loud and self-centered in class but also quite brilliant and he never shut up, he annoyed the crap out of me. I really disliked school at this point and my main aim was to get in and out as fast as possible with the minimum amount of contact possible and I can't concentrate in a loud environment, and he made the environment very loud.

I'm doubting my type because although I don't seem to generate ideas out of the blue like some ENTPs do I also don't really think inside my head like INTPs seem to. I only ever seem to understand my own reasoning and logic when I write it down or talk about it, I don't really seem to actually think about them a lot internally. I will research a topic like abortion for weeks and won't really fom an opinion of it, I'll just get a general sense of right or wrong and it's not until I actually debate the issue with somebody or write an essay on it that I start to really develop my views on the subject.

It seems that unlike a lot of ENTPs I don't just throw out ideas after ideas, I do come up with some pretty strange ones on a regular basis but I tend to dismiss them as silly soon after but some of the ones, even those I know are completely unlikely, will still stick with me and I'll get quite a bit of amusement out of developing them further but most of my ideas are based on something that I get from the outside world. It's like I'll look out of my bedroom window to the rooftop of another house and think, 'it'd be pretty cool to have a slide going from the roof to the ground, nah, health and safety wouldn't allow it, it'd be pretty cool to have bridges going from house to house all over the world, wait, a whole overhead transport system would be good, it'd decrease road accidents. But what if some people are scared of heights? The we could have motion detectors in the floor of the bridge that, if people want, will create a little dome over them as they walked so that they didn't have to see over the side of the overhead transport system if they didn't want to...' and after writing all of that I now have the urge to go and design the bloody overhead transport system. I think the name might need some work.

Any thoughts about INTP vs ENTP? I do seem to be pretty socially introverted, I generally dislike people and don't want to talk to them unless they say something interesting but if they do interest me then I want all of their positive attention focused on me whilst I want it. When I've got what I can from them I tend to start being drained in their company and just want to go somewhere else.

If I'm in a group of friends and someone else is getting all the attention when I want it I don't try to drag people's attention towards me I just start wanting to leave and be on my own. If I'm the center of attention in a good way then I'm less likely to want to go home. However I am fine with having very few friends and I don't tend to seek out social activities unless I'm in the mood, such as after I've spent a few days on my own.

I do have a very overactive imagination, I can spend days or weeks at a time living in a fantasy world with very little contact to people in the real world but normally after doing this I'll want to go out and socialise for a while.
I can relate to most of this, and based on the stuff you've said you seem to be more extroverted (focused externally). The part in bold is something that I can completely relate to. I can come up with some awesome ideas, but not a ton like some people. If there is no guidance (e.g. instructions that say: "desgin a cool website") I am pretty much useless, and find that the staggering number of possibilities makes my mind go blank and I can't think of anything (or at least nothing that I deem worthy).

As far as social introversion goes, that's a pretty common ENTP trait (well, and INTP for that matter). I know I am more socially introverted, simply because I get drained by most small talk — especially small talk about people I don't know, and about shit I don't care about.

The last paragraph seems to suggest that you are probably borderline, but that your natural preference is E.

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@Louisex You sound like an INTP to me. It's not really possible to know how to compare the way you think to the way someone else thinks, and there are people who just think better when they write down things, hence diaries.
 

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I can relate to most of this, and based on the stuff you've said you seem to be more extroverted (focused externally). The part in bold is something that I can completely relate to. I can come up with some awesome ideas, but not a ton like some people. If there is no guidance (e.g. instructions that say: "desgin a cool website") I am pretty much useless, and find that the staggering number of possibilities makes my mind go blank and I can't think of anything (or at least nothing that I deem worthy).

As far as social introversion goes, that's a pretty common ENTP trait (well, and INTP for that matter). I know I am more socially introverted, simply because I get drained by most small talk — especially small talk about people I don't know, and about shit I don't care about.

The last paragraph seems to suggest that you are probably borderline, but that your natural preference is E.

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Yeah, I do think that if I am an entp I'd have to be pretty borderline, I was just speaking to my mum about this and she says that when I was little I used to be very talkactive but I was unable to understand all the things that children say to each other and each time something happened or someone said something I'd take it quite personally because I couldn't understand why and I'd withdraw a little more each time.

My whole reasoning and thinking process does seem to be quite external, I have to express my thoughts on paper or to someone before I really know what I think whilst INTPs seem to know what they think before they express it. I suppose a lot of it is self esteem related. I only want to be around people who like me because the positive feedback increases my self esteem which can make me more seem more arrogant which drives people away lowering my self esteem and making me unwilling to try to interact with others because why risk rejection when I can be the center of attention in my own little fantasy world.

Oh, and my ability to lie and bullshit my way through life does seem to be a more ENTP trait, and the doing or saying things just to provoke a reaction from someone because it's funny. Although I think that one's pretty INTP as well.
 

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@Louisex You sound like an INTP to me. It's not really possible to know how to compare the way you think to the way someone else thinks, and there are people who just think better when they write down things, hence diaries.
Really? I thought that's what the cognitive functions were for? They show how we process information so wouldn't it follow that people who process information in the same way are likely to think in the same, or at least similar, way.
 

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I know I'm Ti, Fe and Ne without a doubt
Oh really?

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I don't seem to generate ideas out of the blue

I also don't really think inside my head

I only ever seem to understand my own reasoning and logic when I write it down or talk about it

I don't really seem to actually think about them a lot internally.

I will research a topic like abortion for weeks and . . . I'll just get a general sense of right or wrong

I can spend days or weeks at a time living in a fantasy world

I do come up with some pretty strange ones on a regular basis but I tend to dismiss them as silly soon after
Possibly non-Ne; Te; Te; Te; possibly Fi; Ni; Ni/Te

Besides, I don't think most INTPs would be nearly as certain of their type as you claim to be, especially if they've only been here long enough to get 34 posts.
 

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Besides, I don't think most INTPs would be nearly as certain of their type as you claim to be, especially if they've only been here long enough to get 34 posts.
Just because a member doesn't have a lot of posts doesn't mean they can't be sure of their type/functions. I know of many members who lurked for ages before officially signing up, and others that have researched and such before finding PerC, so to say that is pretty short-sighted.

Additionally, the thread was created because she's thinking she isn't like "most" INTPs (hence her questioning), and seems to be having trouble distinguishing hers, so to say that she's "certain" is a bit of a stretch.

I do sorta see what you mean about Te, though.

@Louisex you said "I also don't really think inside my head" — can you elaborate on this? As a Ti user, I find that I am in my head a lot — but still focused outwardly. Oh, also, do you know your Enneagram type?
 

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@Louisex you said "I also don't really think inside my head" — can you elaborate on this? As a Ti user, I find that I am in my head a lot — but still focused outwardly. Oh, also, do you know your Enneagram type?
Enneagram 6w5, I do live inside my head but I construct my thoughts by writing them down. If someone asks me about something then I donkt really know what I think until I've spoken it or written it down.
 
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