I'd say that's quite true. I can appreciate ENTPs as individuals, because they seem to mostly say what makes sense to them, rather than makes sense for everyone around them. But they seem far more capable with trusting and getting along with individuals, and I think Fe plays a huge part in this, way more than simply being an extrovert. Sometimes I feel like TiNeSi is a 3 pronged attack on every single experience I (INTP) ever encounter, trying to understand what's happening down to every last relevant detail. As an INTP even if you are Ne heavy you will still generally be filtering decisions through Ti which is so developed that it can be hard to socially acclimate your incoming comments. But for ENTPs they don't seem to be so worried about precision with their comments and don't obey Ti (like many INTPs) but rather abuse it when they need it because they're having too much fun with Ne to slow down and think. As well ENTPs have tertiary Fe which is really a big difference from the INTPs because once developed (I assume being extroverted would cause good developement in it over time) it can add charm and reassurance to an ENTP's smartass talk(In the best possible sense). I do appreciate tertiary Si for sure, it always brings up random facts to conversations that I'm surprised I can remember but I'm quite envious of tertiary Fe, mainly because I'm a social wreck.I think the difference lies in the use of the tertiary.
What do you mean by patterns? I'm a pattern-oriented person in general, always have been.Do you find it easier to perceive patterns external to you? Or do you find it easier to look within yourself?
(You will probably find both easy if you are close on E/I but one should come more naturally.)
If you are noticing tertiary development, you may be able to tell whether it's Fe or Si. You might also have dissonance between your auxiliary and tertiary functions, (or maybe that's just me). It might be harder to tell with perceiving functions in the middle.
(These questions aren't definitive...)
I am also an 'introverted extravert' and it took me a lot of time to figure out that social introversion does not define cognitive/MBTI introversion.
I am also a very good liar. <--- that could be a lie.
Yeah, pattern orientation makes sense for all NPs, Ne pattern recognition. Do you find that easier than looking within yourself? If you do, Ne is probably dominant over Ti = ENTP. (This may not be a reliable test, but it was definitely one of the first things that tipped me off to being E.)What do you mean by patterns? I'm a pattern-oriented person in general, always have been.
I don't understand the cognitive functions at all. I can take the tests but I don't truly know what each function does and how to know which I use more. And I just have no way to compare looking for patterns to introspective behaviour... although I suppose I do notice outward patterns more quickly than I notice patterns about myself.Yeah, pattern orientation makes sense for all NPs, Ne pattern recognition. Do you find that easier than looking within yourself? If you do, Ne is probably dominant over Ti = ENTP. (This may not be a reliable test, but it was definitely one of the first things that tipped me off to being E.)
(Personally I find it hard to figure this out without using the cognitive functions... but to each their own.)
I respect your opinion and input, but while i may seem attention seeking over the internet, IRL I actually try to avoid it usually, although that may have to do with the fact I'm still an awkward teenagers. I usually do stuff like dress in baggy clothes so no one comments on my "perfect" (yeah right) figure. Also, I can flirt to my heart's content, but once a guy ACTUALLy starts to like me, I start running in the other direction. emotional relationships scare the living shit outta me.@DeductiveReasoner You seem more ENTP to me. The thing about ENTP's is that at the end of it all, we enjoy being the center of attention, we think we're awesome, and we want everyone to know it. Getting attention comes natural to us, though we definitely go on long stretches of not wanting to see/talk to anyone.
What do you get out of social settings that your dad doesn't? I'm not socially awkward or anything but random socialization doesn't really give me pleasure. It just makes me feel not alone and it gives me something to do.My dad is an INTP and while we share a lot in common, think in a similar way and ponder about somewhat convergent things, our basic predisposition towards the outside social world is really apart. I always make fun of him for being so clueless in social settings, and it's true that while I'm not super outgoing, I can be turned on and drawn by my surroundings in ways that he cant.
I can definitely understand what it's like to be INTP, when I go into my withdrawn, thoughtful moods - which have been more and more recurrent throughout the years. My dad on the other hand seems to be like that close to 99% of the time.
Yeah, I mean I think he feels the same way to a certain extent. What I was trying to say is not that he is socially awkward, in fact he can be quite pleasant and fun in social settings, but rather that he doesn't pick up on cues very well, like when someone is trying to engage in a conversation with him, when someone is lying or trying to rip him off, or when someone needs emotional comfort.What do you get out of social settings that your dad doesn't? I'm not socially awkward or anything but random socialization doesn't really give me pleasure. It just makes me feel not alone and it gives me something to do.